| From: Sully
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| Date: 08-Jul-20 |
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I have a 40# bow with some 28-1/2" long 2016 shafts using 175 grain heads. I have a 28" long draw.
I'm getting good arrow flight but when I say they are slow I mean they are slow.
Do you think I would get better penetration with a 1916 with a 125 grain head?
I shoot grizzly broad heads that are 175 grains. I could always switch to a good cut on contact 125 grain head if need be.
Let me know what you think would be better for shooting at deer and hogs.
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| From: Ollie
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| Date: 08-Jul-20 |
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According to your handle, you are in Texas. I have done quite a bit of hog hunting in Texas. Your hogs are of the Russian bloodline and can be quite large. Penetration is often a problem even with heavier bows and quality cut on contact heads. The Grizzly head is a good penetrator which would be helpful with hogs. Deer are easier to penetrate and you could likely do okay with the lighter head if needed. Personally, I would want more bow weight unless I was limiting myself to small hogs at very close range.
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| From: longshot762
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| Date: 08-Jul-20 |
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I've found when it comes to ligter bows, you're better off with a heavy arrow. More so with a high FOC. With your weight you're gonna have a to deal with the lack of weigh to make the energy on the arrow. So weight is your friend when hunting. You'll get far more penetration with a slower heavy arrow than a high speed noodle. I'll always take a quiet bow pushing 580-640gr arrows over a loud high speed bow pushing 350gr noodles. But that's me. And I shoot Trad and a 75lbs Mathews Chill R, pushing 687gr arrows. It's never not fully passed through a deer. Just my thoughts on it. Oh and I use 175gr swampsharks and 205grs Safari broadheads. This year I'm also using 225gr steel force broadheads, single bevel.
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| From: Bowmania
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| Date: 08-Jul-20 |
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Penetration will always be better with good arrow fligh, than poor. Plus heavier will out penetrate lighter. AND since we're on the LW I must say until we get to feather weight and telephone weight.
Bowmania
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| From: BOHO
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| Date: 08-Jul-20 |
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40 is what I shoot. Just keep your shots around 15 yards and under. Make sure you put it in the right spot and the arrows are tuned well and broadheads sharp.
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| From: Sully
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| Date: 08-Jul-20 |
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My shoulder came apart about 10 years ago. I used to shoot a 60# Howard Hill Wesley Special but my shoulder can't handle that anymore.
I bought the 40# bow because it was the minimum legal draw weight and I felt like my shoulder could take it. So far I was correct.
I can't hit over 15 yards away so long shots are not going to happen even if I was still shooting a heavy bow.
When I say I can't hit I mean when I get outside of 15 yards I can't keep 6 for 6 on an 8" paper plate. But I can from 15 yards and closer.
I'm shooting from a tree stand so I think I can get within 15 yards where I'm hunting.
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| From: Briar
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| Date: 08-Jul-20 |
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I shoot 28" with 125 tips on the 1916. My longbow is #40 @26" and it tunes great. I totally understand what your saying. That 3016 shaft with the 175 tip creates a really high gpi. I've done the math. Even my 1916 is about 11 gpi, which is heavy in its own right, but its quick to my eye.
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| From: Wudstix
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| Date: 08-Jul-20 |
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As stated arrow flight is important and a bit of weight helps. I would go with good flight and medium weight. But speed is always nice to have. Balance between slow heavy and erratic light arrows.
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| From: Wudstix
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| Date: 08-Jul-20 |
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As stated arrow flight is important and a bit of weight helps. I would go with good flight and medium weight. But speed is always nice to have. Balance between slow heavy and erratic light arrows.
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| From: longbow4life
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| Date: 08-Jul-20 |
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1914 X7 with 145 point weight might be a better option.
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| From: Glynn
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| Date: 08-Jul-20 |
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If you are not going to shoot past 15 yards and more likely 10 yards, what does it matter how fast your arrow is going?
Lots of big game animals have been shot through and through with arrows going 140 fps or less.
Heavy, well tuned arrows are going to get your point on closer, make your bow very quiet by using all the energy it has to offer, and penetrate those dense hogs better than "a little bit faster" lightweights.
So, my 2 cents is, go heavy with confidence and stick to two blade broadheads.
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| From: Pa Steve
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| Date: 08-Jul-20 |
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Totally agree with Glynn. He makes a lot of good points.
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| From: Loubeck
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| Date: 08-Jul-20 |
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I never regret the heavier arrows at close range for hogs.
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| From: Loubeck
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| Date: 08-Jul-20 |
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Big hogs are hard to kill. I've often wished penetration was better, even at close range.
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| From: Dirtnap
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| Date: 08-Jul-20 |
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2 questions... What string material are you using for your string? Also is this a straight limbs longbow, reflex deflex longbow or recurve? Regardless I would say perfect arrow flight is paramount in aiding penetration regardless of speed. I suppose having an accurate calculation of GPP on this would help me understand where this "slow" arrow speed assessment is coming from. What is the GPP or arrow weight in total would be my 3rd question on this conundrum.
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| From: fdp
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| Date: 09-Jul-20 |
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This is such a subjective question that without actual documented numbers it's virtually impossible to answer.
Bows don't lose speed nearly as quickly as most folks think when you add arrow weight. We don't have any idea what you consider fast or slow.
My suggestion would be to shoot the one that flies best and quit worrying about it.
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| From: brianbfree
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| Date: 09-Jul-20 |
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If you need help to string it or carry it then it is too heavy
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| From: deerhunt51
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| Date: 09-Jul-20 |
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I would get as close to a 400-450 grain arrow as possible and tune your arrows to fly as perfect as possible as soon as they leave the bow. I use this type of set-up on large deer, 200-250 pounds and get great penatrtion, aqnd very short recoveries.
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| From: Therifleman
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| Date: 09-Jul-20 |
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deerhunt51 gives good advice. I have shot a pretty good number of our bean fed Ohio whitetails with bows in the lower 40# range. I've used everything in arrows from just under 400 grains to arrows that are well over 500 grains. I have had excellent penetration within this range. I hunt thickets mostly and my shots are limited to 20 yards and in (average shot is under 15). I really don't worry too much about what my finished weight will end up being within the range above as at these distances I can put the arrows where I want them. I have shot the 500+ arrows at some of our 3D shoots and although I really like them out to 23,24 yards I really have to do my work at 25 and beyond as the arrows really drop. If you have a well tuned arrow that shoots well for you I'd say stick with it.
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| From: deerhunt51
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| Date: 09-Jul-20 |
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Therifleman, my expireance has been the same. Shots I take are often less than 15 yards, I have shot very few deer past 20 yards with a bow, mybe 9 or so.
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