From: 1buckurout
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Date: 17-May-20 |
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So... the 58 Bear is 49# at your draw length and the Uukha's are 50# at your draw length--right? I assume you're using the same arrows?
Interesting indeed. I would never have guess that.
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From: CStyles
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Date: 17-May-20 |
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I have a 58 Kodiak that I refinished and added phenolic tip overlays with a fast flight string. Seems as fast as anything else I have shot (except a Saluki) in the last 20 years. I really like that bow.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 17-May-20 |
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What is the difference in the profile? Brace height difference that would create a shorter power stroke, etc., etc. Are the arrows flying equally well, as in perfectly from each one? Those bows, I don't believe, are ths same design so that is also a diference. Lastly, I don't know why people are surprised at the performance of the old bows...some of us have been singing their praises for decades now.
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From: Heat
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Date: 17-May-20 |
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Longhow49 can you share a pic of your 57 replica?
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 17-May-20 |
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Thanks Greg. Always fun to experiment and sometimes the outcome isn't what we expected. By the way, I would take the Kodiak myself for an overall purpose...they are awesome weapons.
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From: fdp
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Date: 17-May-20 |
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That's interesting but a little confusing as well. Neither bow is shooting 6fps per inch of draw length (based on the average speed of both) which is less than average performance for any recurve bow. Although they are shooting almost the same when compared to wach other.
5.86 fps/per inch for the Kodiak
5.9 fps/per inch for the ILF
Are you sure your readings are correct?
Not being critical by the way just wondering.
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From: Heat
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Date: 17-May-20 |
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Thank you for sharing! Very nicely done. I bet it shoots great as well.
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From: Chas
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Date: 17-May-20 |
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Greg, that replica is a thing of beauty. Well done sir!!
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From: fdp
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Date: 17-May-20 |
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Understood, but that has little to do with the fps/per inch of draw length for the most part. Th majority of bows, regardless of how far they are drawn, will shoot 6+ fps per inch regardless of how far they are drawn. The only thing that changes is how long that is applied to the arrow.
Based on these numbers the ILF rig could be expected to shoot AROUND 165fps. @28"(5.9X28"). Which is not bad, but certainly not wht I would expect.
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From: Jakeemt
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Date: 17-May-20 |
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At 9gpp my uuhka limbs shoot around to 180-190 29 inch draw. With a short draw length like yours are you using short limbs? Medium and long may not take full advantage of of the limb.
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From: reddogge
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Date: 17-May-20 |
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At 25 1/2" and 26" I don't think you took advantage of the curves on the Uukha's. Both bows would show an increase but I'm betting the Uukhas will do a lot better. Maybe find a friend with a longer draw length to prove or disprove.
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From: CStyles
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Date: 17-May-20 |
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Longbow49 your replica is awesome. Chuck S
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From: fdp
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Date: 17-May-20 |
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That is a beautiful bow indeed.
With those arrow weights that changes the quation to a certain degree. I didn't see that information provided earlier. That would have an affect on the fps/per inch number.
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From: Todd the archer
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Date: 17-May-20 |
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Think you could post a pic of both bows or at least the Bear unstrung side view.
I have Uukha VX+ limbs(longs) pulling 45 pounds at my 28” draw. With a 430 grain arrow I consistently get 194 FPS.
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From: Todd the archer
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Date: 17-May-20 |
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Thank you for the pics!
I can see slight reflex off the riser but then the tips are forward of the riser more than most bows. Typically I see tips in-line to about 1 1/2” forward of back side of riser. Nicely preloading the limbs.
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From: Ihunts2much
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Date: 17-May-20 |
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That is surprising Greg, if all else was equal I would expect the d97 string to edge out the B50, says to me that it's not even really a tie in performance, the kodiak is outperforming the uukha limbs. I have been shooting thier limbs for a few years now. I really liked the EX1s, then I went to VX1000S. The VX1000S perform, but I liked the shot feel of the EX1s better and will likely switch back.
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From: hcrat
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Date: 17-May-20 |
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Seems like whatever other draw length is irrelevant to Longbow49 as he is shooting his bows and comparing accordingly. Am also surprised that the Uukhas are under performing.
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From: JimG
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Date: 17-May-20 |
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I'll stick my neck out here and say I'm not that surprised. GENERALLY speaking there is only about a 20 fps difference in non compound or non crossbow bows irregardless of type, age, or bowyer 'claims'. This is assuming the comparisons are apples to apples. Same gpp, similar string construction and weight, same draw length, etc. I've owned a number of ilf recurves and while they were a bit faster than comparable weight one piece and take down recurves shooting comparable weight arrows, they were NOT much faster. I believe Black Swartz tests also bear this out. For example my 51# @ 28" Lil Creep with a 14 strand df97 Flemish twist string drawn to 26" (45# at 26") and shooting an arrow weighing 458gr is 11 fps slower than my current WinWin ilf recurve rig that pulls 46# at my 26" draw length shooting the same exact arrow. It also has a 14 strand df97 string although it's an endless loop. If you ignore any particularly inefficient self bow design and ignore uncommonly efficient 'super recurve' designs, the 20 DPS rule of thumb largely holds true. Regardless of bowyer claims and individual archer's claims.
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From: JimG
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Date: 17-May-20 |
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Stupid spell check!!
That should e Blacky Swartz. And it's fps not DPS.
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 17-May-20 |
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I have found that to date glass is glass. . Not much difference in old vs. new.,. I have a homemade bow that I made in 92 that's shoots as good as any bow I have shot. Not rocket science.,
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From: Bassman
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Date: 18-May-20 |
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Narrow limbs need more core lams.I posted similar results on here a while back ,and got roasted by ILF shooters. I took 4 , 45 lb vintage recurves, and a 44 lb Fivics Ilf rig that I still have,and shot a 450 gr carbon arrow for the test through a chrony.The bows shot from 162fps to 168 fps with the Ilf rig coming in right at the middle.All shot with a 10 strand D97 string at 26.5 inches of draw. The carbon limbed Ilf had the smoothest draw through it's cycle of all the bows tested, and I do really like that bow.What I have read on this forum seems to be that the super recurves are about 20 fps faster. Makes sense to me.
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From: Jinkster
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Date: 18-May-20 |
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Somethings not right...we just haven't figured out what it is yet.
What's the stock poundage of the Uuhka's?...cause even though the "Short" limb length sounds appropriate?...if they are 55# limbs with the limb bolts wound out bringing poundage down to 50#s then they could be under-performing.
Other things: String weight?...Serving Diameter/Nock Fitment?...any String Silencers on these bows?
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From: JimG
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Date: 18-May-20 |
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Longbow49, I believe you. I have a short draw length, 26" on the nose. That's 24.25" true draw length plus 1.75" per AMO standards. That's a good 2" less than a lot of folks. For a long time I believed I had to have the fastest bow I could find to make up for the shorter power stroke. So I bought and traded for a large number of bows for a few years. Chronographed every single one.
Wasn't until on a lark I shot a good sized doe with my 46# @ 28" GN Field Bow that on a good day is lucky to see 150fps in my hands with a hunting weight arrow. Actually the velocity with the 512 gr arrow averaged 148fps. The arrow blew through the deer and stuck into the ground on the off side. I then started to rethink the whole speed thing.
At any rate I was continually frustrated with my quest to find that one bow that would really make up for my short DL. Without digging through all my notes, a Pittsley Predator was one of the faster, if not the fastest recurve I shot. Problem was I could never get it quiet enough to suit me. I found overall roughly a 20 fps difference between the slowest and the fastest bows. Most of the ilfs I shot were middle of the pack in velocity. I know this flies in the face of modern archery thinking but it is what is.
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From: Thumper-tx
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Date: 19-May-20 |
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Trad lab has done some very controlled testing on the Uukha limbs and a number of other setups. They provide good comparisons with a number of other setups.
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 19-May-20 |
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Man get some arrows and go hunting. Bows built years ago are as good as the bows built now performance wise.
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From: Jason D
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Date: 20-May-20 |
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I love full around with this stuff.! :-)
I’ve got close to 100 vintage bows and also have a couple ILF risers to slap my Uukha VX 1000 limbs on.
Grains of arrow weight per pound of bow weight, my Uukha VX 1000 limbs about 10+ feet per second faster than my fastest vintage bow tested yet ( BTW, that is the 1961, 63 inch bear a Kodiak Special). All my tests have been so far been done buy me a shooting at my regular 26 1/2 inch draw length. Also, I have, by no means, tested all of my vintage bows!
So about a month ago I bought a shooting machine... :-)
I plan on testing what I think are the fastest vintage recurves I have and will try to control as many constant variables as possible and see which one comes out on top! I suspect it will take several days to do this And I’m really looking forward to it!
J.
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From: nineworlds9
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Date: 20-May-20 |
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What length are the Uukhas? For your draw Id hope shorts. Also, D97 is a disservice to those Uukhas, they deserve a material with more even less creep, like Mercury or 8190F.
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From: Bassman
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Date: 20-May-20 |
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Post the numbers above with both dacron ,and low stretch string.Their should be a significent difference in speed in all the testing that I have done comparing the two.My guess is that right now you are shooting a low stretch string on that bow to get those kind of numbers, and for good reason.
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From: hcrat
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Date: 20-May-20 |
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Seems like many on here keep trying to justify why they are shooting the older type bows?? I do not feel the need to justify why I do not. See how many times they repeat themselves? Each to his own.
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From: CLAYBORN
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Date: 22-May-20 |
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I could never claim to have the experience as Longbow49. I have made a few selfbows. One thing that I have noticed is that recently I acquired a 55 Kodiak. I could not believe it could shoot as quick as my new Bear SK. It was amazing. I just have to credit the early Bear builders, because I was so impressed. I don't like the dual shelf. Longbow49 and I have this in common and that is a 57 Kodiak. He has the advantage and that is he can build them. Wish I could. Clay
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From: Jason D
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Date: 22-May-20 |
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Those are some impressive speeds for glass and would limb Longbow49!
And more importantly that grip looks great LOL! I want to wrap my hands around it LOL! Beautiful contrasting riser too!
I can’t remember which Lucas you said you were using but the VX series is significantly faster than the others. They significantly I mean like something between 5 to 10 ft./s more or less and more importantly that grip looks great LOL! I want to wrap my hands around it LOL! Beautiful contrasting riser too!
I can’t remember which Uukhas you said you were using but the VX series and their other “super curve“ limbs are significantly faster than the others. By significantly I mean like something between 5 to 10 ft./s more or less I think.
I’m guessing those speeds were drawn to 28 inches? Or were you using the IBO standard 30 inch draw.?
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From: Archergreg
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Date: 23-May-20 |
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I think uukhas excel in the subjective area, and are as good as anything else objectively speaking. I was humbled when i shot the Uukha through a chrono. With that said I cannot leave any of my vintage stuff strung for months at a time in the cab of a truck, I cant drive over the limbs either. For me the uukhas feel great to draw,and if i want to change it up i can always go back to the previous setting. My wish is that other makers will attempt to rival uukha monolith limb constuction.
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