Traditional Archery Discussions on the Leatherwall


Stumping arrow loss

Messages posted to thread:
MikeT 06-Apr-20
MikeT 06-Apr-20
RJH1 06-Apr-20
Shawn 06-Apr-20
MikeT 06-Apr-20
grizzley21 06-Apr-20
Sawtooth (Original) 06-Apr-20
Lefty38-55 06-Apr-20
Gray Goose Shaft 06-Apr-20
MikeT 06-Apr-20
MikeT 06-Apr-20
George D. Stout 06-Apr-20
Pdiddly 06-Apr-20
Pdiddly 06-Apr-20
Pdiddly 06-Apr-20
Pdiddly 06-Apr-20
reddogge 06-Apr-20
Sawtooth (Original) 06-Apr-20
M60gunner 06-Apr-20
elkslayer4x5 06-Apr-20
Jon Stewart 06-Apr-20
pieman 06-Apr-20
George D. Stout 06-Apr-20
cobra 06-Apr-20
orange feather 06-Apr-20
Pdiddly 06-Apr-20
Pdiddly 06-Apr-20
mgmicky 06-Apr-20
GF 06-Apr-20
stykman 07-Apr-20
evilfirbolg 07-Apr-20
eddie c 07-Apr-20
elkslayer4x5 07-Apr-20
GF 07-Apr-20
cobra 07-Apr-20
cobra 07-Apr-20
Stealth2 07-Apr-20
Andy Man 07-Apr-20
Andy Man 07-Apr-20
MikeT 07-Apr-20
GF 07-Apr-20
The last savage 08-Apr-20
shade mt 08-Apr-20
Pdiddly 08-Apr-20
Stubee 08-Apr-20
DaGunz 08-Apr-20
From: MikeT
Date: 06-Apr-20

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So I was out in the woods again chasing and still hunting stumps, and a few times I spent alot of time searching for a arrow that missed and went under the leaves.

Dug into my archery box and came up with a few 25 yr old feathers I had and decided to fletch a couple.

I just got some RW clamps for my multi fletcher from a member here and wanted to try them out anyhow, and my feathers were RW, perfect.

I did a couple and they fly perfect, and almost in slow motion, I can see them spinning all the way to the target. I should be able to find these a little easier while I work on learning how to shoot better!

From: MikeT
Date: 06-Apr-20

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From: RJH1
Date: 06-Apr-20




I have a couple of flu flus like that i like to use for small game/stumping. Easy to find for sure, but they do drop fast after 20 yards or so, so I don't like to shoot them further than that cause it messes with my holds. I do like that I can shoot at flying things and not lose my arrows though.

Those look good, have fun!

From: Shawn
Date: 06-Apr-20




Use a judo point, they rarely snake under stuff. Shawni

From: MikeT
Date: 06-Apr-20

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I do have some judos, I like sticking into things though. The noise is fun. I havent shot any of these for 20+ years, this will be fun.

From: grizzley21 Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 06-Apr-20




X2 on using a judo point,,,,,,,,,,

From: Sawtooth (Original) Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 06-Apr-20




Good deal man!! Have fun. Nothing bothers me more than losing a perfectly good arrow.

From: Lefty38-55
Date: 06-Apr-20




Judo point ... or take a blunt and drill holes through it in a cross manner and glue in stiff weed whacker line.

From: Gray Goose Shaft
Date: 06-Apr-20

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Some archers carry a small arrow rake for those arrows that dive under the leaves. You can scratch transverse to the arrow path every 25" or so.

This one is from jader30 and it fits in a quiver. It uses a carbon arrow, 8" of 8-32 threaded rod, two 8-32 nuts, some heat shrink tubing, and black tape for the handle.

From: MikeT
Date: 06-Apr-20




Sawtooth, you hit it right there. A couple times I almost gave up, using a branch to move leaves and got lucky. Shooting into the air I like the judo points, but shooting at stumps I like my bullet points. Yes they go through stuff and ricochet but with the flu flu fletch I think it will be much better. I`ll be testing today!

From: MikeT
Date: 06-Apr-20

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Might be making a scraper tool. Plenty of scraper branches in the woods. At the club we have a metal detector but thats a different story. I think these flu flus fly better than my hunting arrows! Might just be the thrill of the sound and visual ;)

From: George D. Stout
Date: 06-Apr-20




I have some flu-flus but rarely use them stumping due to the significant change in arrow speed/trajectory. Don't want to screw-up my ingrained process. Won't hurt if you switch back and forth I reckon.

I will say that over the years I've gotten smarter about choosing targets as well, so that helps. I normally just use regular hunting arrows and steel blunts or field points.

From: Pdiddly
Date: 06-Apr-20

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Bright fletch always for stumping. Same size and cut that I use for hunting.

Use judos...they'll penetrate stumps but stay above the leaves and stuff if they miss. Rarely get buried.

From: Pdiddly
Date: 06-Apr-20

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The stump in this picture is a red pine cut three years before...still hard.

From: Pdiddly
Date: 06-Apr-20

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Arrows with judo point stay above the duff.

From: Pdiddly
Date: 06-Apr-20

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I rarely have to dig for an arrow, even in leaves.

Also, blue nocks show up very well on all backgrounds...very little is blue on the forest floor.

From: reddogge
Date: 06-Apr-20

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Judos and an homemade arrow scratcher. I'm appalled at the number of people who shoot 3-D or stump and don't carry one of these.

From: Sawtooth (Original) Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 06-Apr-20




It’s tough to lose a judo. That’s a fact. I don’t shoot into trees any higher up than I’m willing to climb. I learned that the hard way. They WILL stick in pine trees.

From: M60gunner
Date: 06-Apr-20




I started making “arrow scratchers “ about 15 years ago. Pretty simple, take an old aluminum arrow, drill through the insert, get one of those long, heavy nails and bend it. Then JB Weld it all together. I did a couple fancy ones, butt sections from bamboo Flyrods. Thought that was more trad than aluminum. I gave them away to my two best shooting buddies. On my last one I added a cork grip from my bamboo flyrod stuff..

From: elkslayer4x5
Date: 06-Apr-20

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"It’s tough to lose a judo. That’s a fact. I don’t shoot into trees any higher up than I’m willing to climb. I learned that the hard way. They WILL stick in pine trees."

We've got a lot of ruffled grouse here in these conifer forests, and their open season is thru deer and elk season. We can take 3 a day. So I needed a 'throw-away" point. As Sawtooth says, a Judo will stick in trees.

I modified two point types to make .357 wingnut not so blunts. I used 8/32 wingnuts and a 1/2" 8/32 machine screw. I removed the spent primer, drilled out the flash hole to tap size for 8/32 (no 29 or 9/64) and ran the screw into the wingnut, dipped it in JB weld and screwed the assembly into the .357 case. Depending on how much you grind the wing, they'll weigh around 130 gr.

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 06-Apr-20




One of the better colors for feathers on flu flu's is blue. Someone above posted arrows with blue feathers. You can see how they stand out.

From: pieman
Date: 06-Apr-20




I don't get the stump shooting thing. I like my arrows to well to destroy them on a stump. For the past 45 years I've always just picked a leaf on the forest floor or a low hanging leaf on a bush. I use Judo points and rarely loose one. JMHO

From: George D. Stout
Date: 06-Apr-20




pieman, stumpshooting is roving, doesn't mean you only shoot stumps. Lots of places I rove don't have many stumps so you pick your target. There are, however, plenty of pithy stumps that will not hurt arrows...I'll take an old worn out stump any day. Just as easy to find a rock under a leaf where I rove.

From: cobra
Date: 06-Apr-20




I have the same arrows..trimmed the feathers down about 1/2" and they fly great! They get out to 30yds+ reasonably well.

From: orange feather
Date: 06-Apr-20




I think I've only lost 1 judo in the last 30 years and that was at a squirrel up in a tree. Normally I shoot at leaves or a tuft of grass. I don't see how you guys are getting your arrows out after drilling them into a stump.

From: Pdiddly
Date: 06-Apr-20




Jon Stewart...I mentioned blue nocks in my post by the blue fletch is deliberate as well.

Stands out very well in all conditions.

From: Pdiddly
Date: 06-Apr-20

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I shoot aluminum arrows with judos into frozen stumps in the winter with no damage to the arrow. Not sure how people's arrows are getting damaged.

I don't have problems getting judos out of stumps as they don't go too deep.

From: mgmicky
Date: 06-Apr-20

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I usually break a couple of woodies or bend a couple of aluminum on each rove but to me it’s worth it to get out in the woods.

From: GF
Date: 06-Apr-20




You pretty much have to plan on lost/damaged arrows as part of the cost of doing business. Doesn’t happen every time, but think of those days as Gifts...

“ I think these flu flus fly better than my hunting arrows! ”

Welll... No kidding!

You put a drag chute like that on the back end, and what else could possibly happen??

Don’t know how many times I’ve posted this, but the best “stumping” arrow I ever had was a Nirk cedar flu-flu, six-fletched but cut down to 1” high, tipped with a glue- on Judo. Just couldn’t kill it. I still have the shaft, come to think of it. Just needs to be re- fletched and a new point glued on... And a Reparrow, since I just found it; looks to be about six or 7 inches too short!

From: stykman
Date: 07-Apr-20




Judos will also stick in grouse. I was elk hunting in Idaho a couple of years ago and to occupy our time between morning and evening sits, our guide took us out grouse hunting. It's not really hunting as these ID grouse are just plain stupid, at least compared to the ruffed here in Jersey.

Had quite a few shots at them on the ground at only about ten to fifteen feet. One managed to make it into a tree about twenty feet up. I figured, what the hell and started shooting. Hit it with the first arrow and it didn't fall from the tree. The arrow was stuck in it. So, shot it a second time. That one also stuck in it and it still wouldn't fall.

Figured that was one grouse that wasn't going to make it into the pot. However, our guide, who was slightly on the "interesting" side, said not to worry. We went back to camp, he grabbed his chain saw, and off we went.

Long story short, that grouse did make the pot and I got two of my very expensive arrows back.

From: evilfirbolg
Date: 07-Apr-20




That's a brilliant grouse point elkslayer, stealing that. Thank you.

From: eddie c
Date: 07-Apr-20




I use 125gr points on my wood arrows. I had some 145s, took those to the grinder wheel and made 125 blunts out of those, drill holes and the weed whacker line number. Those work pretty well.

From: elkslayer4x5
Date: 07-Apr-20




Our grouse are like Idaho's, fly 10=25 yds and depend on their camo. Evil, you're welcome to the point, thats why I gave the sizes, I also tried 6/32s but they only weigh 114 grains. Something I didn't do that you might want to run the expander ball to the bottom of the case, or you'll have to sand the 1st inch of the shaft.

From: GF
Date: 07-Apr-20




“ Judos will also stick in grouse.”

Damn right they will!

I sent one right up the tailpipe of a Blue and it just sailed off over the knoll and out into the sage. Maybe if I’d had the dog with me on that one..

From: cobra
Date: 07-Apr-20




I lost quite a few this fall after not losing any for a couple of years. The cedar swamp behind my place was so full of water, that any arrow that entered the heavy moss disappeared wo a trace. I also shot a few cedar arrows with judos and they broke. Back to aluminum and carbon for stumping.

From: cobra
Date: 07-Apr-20

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Like walking on a sponge

From: Stealth2 Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 07-Apr-20

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From: Andy Man
Date: 07-Apr-20

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I got arrow finders- don't loose any

From: Andy Man
Date: 07-Apr-20

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From: MikeT
Date: 07-Apr-20




I like that arrow finder, my favorite dog!

From: GF
Date: 07-Apr-20




Boykins?

From: The last savage
Date: 08-Apr-20

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I recall read an article long ago about a guy that thought it wold be fun to shoot an antelope with a judo, well he killed it...heres a tip NOT to buy, now don't get me wrong,7 bucks i think for 12,i think i paid is a damn good deal..,heres the problem,they only last about 3 shots the. The wire flies off,,,every one...

From: shade mt
Date: 08-Apr-20




I just went stumping the other day, used carbons cause we all know they are more durable right ?

the tips on 3 of them got shattered from direct impact on stumps that were a bit harder than they looked.

when it dawned on me I probably just blew 35.00 shooting at rotten stumps, I decided I'd go back to practicing on targets.

lol stumping sure is fun, it's terrific practice, but it's hard on arrows for those of us not very good at picking our stumps.

From: Pdiddly
Date: 08-Apr-20




Zwickey judo points are incredibly durable.The spring arms may bend a bit on a hard impact but not break.

On the other hand, the imitation judos are incredibly bad! The spring arms will come off shooting into a sandbank!

Use Zwickey.

As for durability I find that aluminium shafts hold up very well, even on hard stumps.

I have two 1916 shafts 28" long that I have shot at least 300 shots each with and they're still straight on my spin tester.

From: Stubee
Date: 08-Apr-20




I love judos and don’t believe I’ve ever lost an arrow but a direct close range hit on a hard stump or rock ain’t much good for my aluminum arrows either. I don’t shoot at a stump unless it’s visibly rotten, and opt for weed tops vs leaves in areas with lots of rocks. And a big old moss covered boulder can look like a stump at a distance!

From: DaGunz
Date: 08-Apr-20




Long story shorter, I’ve lost, broken, damaged, and over all pranged many a judo. Search for “alumabloom”. That said, stumping and roving are a blast. Uphill shuts, downhill, through brush, cross the creek, laying down, into the wind...the possibilities are endless. Still hunting stumps is refreshing once you wake up.. Pick your targets carefully. After a bit you’ll learn to find a target stump vs. a rock stump. Just don’t shoot at a pine needle covered lump without seeing if it’s a rootball or rock first. Just sayin...





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