What is the average up front weight most end up with? Tuning and all that aside is 200 up front common? I'm tuned a little weak with 50 grain insert and 145 point, 200 or 250 seems like a lot of weight, might be just me, coming from a compound.

135-160...let's hear it for aluminium arrows!

There is no such thing as a common up front weight.

I shoot broadheads from 125 to 250 grains, total weight from 400 to over 900 grains.

I shoot broadheads up to 175 grains with my 40 pound peak compounds as well.

DDave

What ever weight makes your arrows fly true. Most adjust their arrow spine by adding or removing weight. That is why there are so many different weight broadheads out there.

I shoot aluminums and I shoot 165 gr and 175gr heads and adapter total weight.

I shoot 145 (Bear) 125 (Simmons) and 175 (Grizzly). I use 600, 500, and 400. Since I only draw 26” I have a lot of arrow length, and head weights to tune to my different bows. My draw weight at my length runs from 39#-44#.

Historically, 125 was the norm for general archery and hunting deer sized game, with wooden shafts. Lighter for target bows and maybe 145 for heavy hunting bows. Aluminum shafts match that pretty well and it is easy to switch back and forth. I use aluminums for practice and casual shooting and my precious wooden arrows for more important purposes.

Everything changed when carbon shafts were developed, mostly for higher power compound bows. The material is lighter and stiffer, and that requires heavier point weight to tune them properly for use with traditional bows.

Two different situations requiring two different solutions. - lbg

125 grain ACE standard broad head on my woods

Or

125 grain ACE standard broad head + 43 grain long aluminum adaptor= 168 grains

Match with 175 grain Field points or glue on judo on aluminum adaptor or 175 grain hex blunts

for my aluminums 2016 or 2117 depending on the bow I'm using

I shoot 145gr and 160gr Ace Standards.

On carbon arrows I use 145gr + 43gr adapter + 19gr insert weight.

My tapered douglas fir's get the 160's up front.

That's a common formula for me...

145 grains for me

I only shoot 125 grain field points and broadheads. I adjust the arrow length.

I'm 145 to 160 both trad & compound & use various inserts & adaptors to get the weight I'm after with a given broadhead

Yep 125'ish for me typically.

You are never required to use more weigh than you want to all you have to do is start with the correct spine to begin with. If you have to add 250grs. to the end of an arrow to tune it it's too stiff.

What fdp said, the "normal" at one time was about 125 and even Easton used that in their early charts. That said, the carbon craze changed that due to it's molecuar make up...making it bend less easily. Add that to the initial overspined mindset that required heavy points to bring them to spine and you have a formula for heavy tips. It matters not if you're tuned, and that's something you work into what you want to use.

Mine are anywhere from 125 to 150'ish. I don't do heavy broadheads, just balanced ones on aluminum, wood or fiberglass.

125 grains. I tune all my shafts for all my bows for them and that way I have one size field tip and one size broad head that works on all arrows and all bows all the time. My 29" arrows will all weigh 490-540 depending on wood type.

I use anything from 125 to 200 depending on what I am up to. If I am shooting an indoor league, I may actually be using a heavier head than I hunt with to adjust my point on. Whatever head I am using I have tuned to my arrows.

175-225 on my carbons

Years ago 125 was the "norm". Not so much nowadays.

I have one recurve that shoot perfectly tuned with a 1816 w/ 125g heads. Or I can switch to 1916 and shoot 175g heads and it shoots them tuned perfectly. Spine and weight for particular shafts at whatever length you want your arrow at your chosen draw weight, string material, amount of centershot, etc, etc.

I posted this before on the other thread where you first asked the question, so I’m transferring it to this one…

I guess it depends on the shaft. For aluminum, seems like anything other than 125 is unusual. For woodies, well, Ace makes heads from 100 to 200. They must be selling most of those...

Only with carbons do people routinely use the 200+....

I use whatever works for good arrow flight.

Within the realm of:

(1) 12 - 15 percent FOC

(2) As close to 9.5 GPP as I can get it (not over 10, and not less than 9)

(3) An overall arrow length giving me as close to a 30 yard point on as I can get it.

That all means - my current point & outsert combined front load is - 215gr.

Make sense?

Rick

Whatever gets me to the best arrow flight.

160 on front of my tapered woodies!!!

I will expand a bit on what I use. I don't buy arrows and adjust them to what length they need to be to tune to my bows. I want a certain length arrow, one like I've used since the 1960's, so that is what I do. I know what works within that length for my bows by understanding static spine versus what I want for my dynamics. It's not that difficult, and keeping things the same for me doesn't interfere with the decades of shooting virtually the same arrow/bow setup, and enhances my consistency.

If you are one who uses the arrow point, then I can see where fiddlin around can help attain a consistent point-on. My point on is close to 55/60 yards an everything under that is left to training and consistent form.

And let me be annoying one more time here, frontal weight changes will work just fine with aluminum arrows if you want to go that route. I once used 225 grain tips on well overspined 2314 arrows once to get them to work off a 55# Jeffery Takedown and it worked just fine.

This is probably a different topic, but FWIW....

I’m with George on the importance of consistent arrow length from one bow to the next. I don’t care whether you gap consciously or you’re convinced that your arrow becomes invisible as soon as you start your draw; that arrow IS THERE and it’s part of your sight picture whether you choose to be consciously aware of it or not.

So I know for a fact that I shoot better when my arrows are all the same length.

I also like having the back of the broadhead bumping into my knuckle as a draw length check. Stealth Clicker. You can’t do that if you’re letting the shaft and point dictate your length.

Another thing I really like is getting tuned at a consistent GPP, regardless of draw weight. That keeps my trajectory predictable from bow to bow.

There are probably people who think that has got to get to be expensive to have arrows for each bow, but how many bows do you own? How broad a range do your draw weights cover? And besides - you can buy arrows of the correct specifications and hit what you’re shooting at, or you can buy arrows to replace the ones you lost or broke when you missed.

So here’s MY disclaimer: It’s not like I’m some big-time champion archer running a fancy program; I’m a recreational shooter who likes hitting what he’s shooting at and who is willing to do what it takes to make that as easy as possible.

200gr broad 100gr ss insert

I hunt with both compounds & trad bows & use roughly 150 grains for both somewhat heavy by today's compound standards & on the lighter side of traditional (hunting) weight heads when I shot heavier # trad bows I shot 175-200 but now my trad bows are 40# or less & I don't like diveboming arrows. however some will say lighter bows need even more foc arrows for hunting !!! something ya have to figure out what works best for yourself...

I shoot all carbon shafts, and know what I want with length and tip wright. I won't shoot over 200 grains on any of my arrows. With spines like 550, 500, 450 and 400 spined, I can get perfect arrow flight from my 52 and 56 pound bows without huge amounts of tip weight from the carbon shafts I like to shoot, and still end up with arrows around 488 grains.

My arrows are all the same length, tips are 125 grains, and my inserts are cut between 45 grains to 65 grains. Most guys shooting carbon end up epeith high foc because they buy a 400 spined shaft for a 50 pound how and end up having over 300 grains up front to soften the spine enough.

Glad the woodies folks chimed in.

I cut all my arrows the same length, no matter what the composition of the shaft is.

With wood and AL, I'm usually in the 125-150 area. Carbon can go as high as 250ish on my ASLs

Depending on setup I am at 175-250 up front typically.

I shoot 160gn ace heads on 32"2219s and all my bows are tuned to shoot those arrows. 32" because that's my draw and easton saw fit to shorten new 2219s by over an inch to force more people to use carbon.

if you are shooting youre compound arrows out of your stickbow probably yes. you can shoot any arrow lenth or tip weght you want by balancing them out. give bow pounds at 28 (the norm) your draw lenth, what lenth arrow you want, what weight point you want, many here can give you a good ball park figure what will work, but you will have to tweek it for your own needs.

All wood. All 125 grain heads for me.

Sorry, forgot. On my longbow my draws 31 so I use 160 ace on sitka spruce at 31".

275 with carbons

What longbowguy and GF said. For many years 125 heads is all that was sold in my area. Carbons,FOC, and point on distance changed all of that. Simple times. Target points,broad heads,and shafts all the same for your bow. Easily replaced and duplicated. Shafts,heads, and fletching produced arrows in the 9- 10 % FOC & no one was bothered with the math. Most didn't even know about FOC. Just different spine for different weights.>>>>-----> Ken

My POC shafts are almost all running 125 grns by my 500 carbons are at 175, typically. JW

I draw 30” and shoot a 31” arrow. I’ve been shooting anywhere from 47 to 52 pound bows at my draw length. A 31” 3555 GT Trad with a 50gr insert and 125gr head tunes well out of most of my bows. A standard insert with a 150gr head also works well, around 175gr total up front. Total finished arrow weight 492 grains, 9.5 to 10.5 grains per pound. Works for me.

If I were a gap shooter I’d be piling weight on the front end to try to get my point on somewhere around 25 yards, but I’m not......

My woodies have 125-145gn tips, I like to use Easton Axis with 75gn insert, and 125-150gn tips, with a 10-12 gn aluminum footing.

Agree with 2Bears. I shot 125 grain heads for a long, long time. Still do on my woodies, but now also have some up to 160 grains. On carbons, I load the front end with 250 to 300 grains of weight in the form of inserts, adaptors and heads. Still end up with arrows in the same weight range as my woodies, but the FOC is much higher, of course.

For aluminum I like 2219's with 160 grain Thunderheads.

DDave

DDave I shot a 80# compound with 28" 2317s & 160 thunderheads for several years that was an absolutely devastating setup those are huge broadheads

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