I read in Vipers book his recommendation for aluminum arrows. Does that hold true for super recurve limbs? I would say poundage is poundage and if speed and performance have anything to do with it then arrow charts would go by how fast your bow is

I think most of the SRs can shoot a softer spine than charts would indicate. Even though they may ultimately shoot faster they accelerate the arrow slower early in the power stroke. This comes from Uukha's recommendations...

My son is shooting border SR. Limbs 8H. 47# @ 28” , 350 spine arrows 13 grains per lbs. in my book that’s not soft spine for 47# and his pull is not quite 28” and I’m shooting Uukha limbs 45# @ 28” and I don’t quite pull 28” with a 400 spine arrow, riser are center shot , but arrow is set up just out side the string.

BS -

No idea. Start with the spine I recommended for a std recurve and see what your bare shafts tell you.

Spine requirements involve more than just pure draw weight and YOU are part of the equation. The number in my book usually work, but still only a starting point.

Viper out.

I would like to add the 350 spine at 13 grains per lb. and 400 spine at 12.31 grains per lb. arrows are carbon. With 100 gr. Brass inserts and 175 gr. Pts. Bow shelf’s cut to different degree will make the difference in spine. ( arrow shelf cut before center or past center ) and person releasing the string can take into account for spine also.

Interesting info; not a fan of heavy arrows, but I shoot 400 spine Axis at about 8- 1/2 gr/lb, aluminum insert and 125 gr. Point. My draw almost 31” and I’m as close to centershot as I can set up without being centershot, and Uukha powered.

Babysaph, this is only our and my personal experience , we have other bows that are the same poundage as the super recurve limbs as I stated, that shoot aluminum and carbon arrows that are close to or right on arrow charts.

In my experience the current SRs will shoot 12-13gpp like "normal" bows shoot 10. 49# Max5's I had last year liked 340 carbons

It depends how super the super recurve is. If you read very much about what spine arrows many are shooting, they are frequently (almost always) stiffer than what the charts, or their buddies said they should be shooting. Many of the earlier SR shooters arrived at the heavier spines through much trial and error. My experience is the same.

I think we (I) too often get hung up or dug in on "what should work", and don't experiment and tinker enough to find out what actually works. A little bit of tinkering often allows me to discover a setup that works even better than my near perfect (or so I thought) setup. For me, it's all fun and that's how I learn. Keeping an open mind always helps.

The single thing I take in consideration for SR is the minimum arrow weight as per manufacturer. The rest is on me. Border has charts for min arrow weight based on draw length and draw weight. I have no idea for Max though.

Okay...here's the deal....

I'm going to provide you folks with a link too...

"Blacky's Bow Reports"

Here...(and pay no mind to the xbox conotation as it takes you where you need to be to understand what I'm attempting to convey/prove)

http://www.crossbowreports.com/rec-select.htm

Now...in the "Recurve Bows" section we see (2) former hotties...

Black Widow PAX: it stores 0.91 lbs of energy for every pound drawn

Hunters Niche Predator: it stores 0.95 lbs of energy for every pound drawn

Now while both bows are considered strong performers?...let's go ahead and click on the "Longbows" tab (at that link) and take a look at the...

Black Widow PL-X: where we see it stores 0.89 lbs of energy

Hmmm..let's see here...while there was only .04 lbs of stored energy difference between the two recurves?...Black Widows PL-X Longbow was only .02 lbs of stored energy behind their PAX Recurve so what's that tell us folks?...

What it tells us is that historically speaking?...there's just not been a whole lot of difference "Stored Energy/Performance" wise between Recurves and Longbows and in the past decade (or more)?...we've witnessed an entire new breed of R/D Hybrid Longbows that have soundly surpassed the performance levels of what were and still are highly regarded recurves but where all have been so close in stored enrgy/performance that of all the spine charts I've seen or know of?....

"ALL OF THEM GROUP LONGBOWS WITH REVURVES!"

because the ssad truth is?...

"THERE'S THAT LITTLE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM"

until now...where limbs the likes of...

Border Hex7's: Store 1.16 lbs of energy for every pound drawn

Border Hex7.5's: Store 1.24 lbs of energy for every pound drawn

Border Hex8's: Store 1.28 lbs of energy for every pound drawn

so while there was/is less than a 2% difference in stored energy between Black Widows PAX Recurve and the PLX Longbow?...

SR LIMBS ARE STORING 20-30% MORE ENERGY THAN CONVENTIONAL LIMBS

and that's why Grandpa's spine charts and arrow weight recomendations that apply to both Longbows and Recurves don't work with or apply too...

"Super Recurves"

Have a Blessed Sunday Folks! :)

Yes, Felipe take away point weight and you have a stiffer spine arrow. I’m not a fan of light arrow weight. No mater what bow. And I believe that a smaller diameter arrow takes a little stiffer spine to shoot, Its closer to center. Every buddy tuneing experance is different, that is why each should tinker with it. That’s the fun to it.

SR, is becoming a very generic term and it becomes less and less meaningful all the time. How far past or before center a bow is made by the bowyer is meaningless. What matters is how the bow is set up to shoot and the measurement at that point. If you want to know the right arrows for you and your bow, any bow, put together a test kit of different spines. Otherwise you are likely going to be shooting the best arrow for someone else.

Along with what Jinx said - a tuned arrow does NOT tune to the poundage of the bow. It tunes to the energy of the bow delivered to the arrow AND the archer's form.

Conventional charts do not work for Border/Morrison SR's. I mention those two, because I've seen other limbs labled SR that sure don't look like a SR to me.

Bowmania

Wanyne, what I was trying to point out is how we are at different ends of tuning spectrum with such similar gear.

I also tend to believe that both SRs and skinny carbon arrows have a broad tuning tolerance.

Felipe, their is more than one way to skin a cat, Their are a wide variety of arrows to pick from for each set up that we want, I agree with you, that’s the fun of tuning an arrow that suites us. We go on, and hope that Babysaph got his question answered.

Son is shooting a heavy Morrison 19" metal riser with Border 6.5 medium limbs @ 54 pounds.

Bare shafts perfectly with 300 full metal jackets...31"...200 up front.

He draws 29.5".......moral of the story is you can't go by the book...experiment and see what works for you...I would have thought 300's were way too stiff, but the shaft tells the truth.

Just one good thing about the Wall.

You ask a question about Viper's book and he answers it.

I shoot the latest string material with a long draw. A spine chart is never in my vocabulary.

Put a Bloodline SK99 string on a set of Max5 and I would be 3 spine ranges weak from a chart. I feel no need to shoot expensive and quirky limbs.

I have owned some very fast bows and my 1960 Kodiak is still one of the fastest.

Viper is pretty smart about this stuff

I have found that if I run Stu Miller's newest calculator I get a value for the bow. Border's seem to like an arrow rated at 1.2 times that value. Morrison's at 1.1 bow's dynamic performance value. 44#@28 Covert Hunter needed 29" GT Traditional with 125 tip. But for some reason shot a 29" XX75 2216 as well. Max 6 (46#) needed a 175 tip on the Trads and a XX75 2213

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