So I got my bare shafts and fletched shafts shooting the same right down the middle finally. I tried my muzzy phantoms and they fly great as well at 20 yards. I used the same weight muzzy that a friend loaned me to try and it was all over the place. What now?. LOL

I have to say try a different one...I have used Muzzy Phantoms for years and never had one shoot bad. Not sure I totally understand...if your Phantoms fly "right down the middle" and "great as well at 20 yards" why are you shooting your friends broadheads???

Just wanted to try a snuffer. Not sure why? LOL But if I remember years I ago I could not get them to fly

Did you try a Snuffer, your first post doesn’t say that

Same weight Muzzy Phantoms? Was your friends Phantoms Muzzy or the old Elk Mountain before Muzzy bought em? The old ones were very tough to get good arrow flight head to head cause the tolerances were do bad.

Ok sorry I meant the tried and true muzzy flew good as usual and the snuffer not muzzy flew like crap. I put muzzy in the place of snuffer. No wonder no one knew what was going on.

Because Snuffers are big gnarly broadheads with a lot of surface area. They amplify not only tuning issues, but form issues as well.

Well, I don't know...I'd have to say again, try another one {of the Snuffers that is} I have used them as well. Been a while, like back in the early 90's since I messed around with any Snuffers, but I didn't have any trouble getting them to fly good for me either. In all fairness,I shot a lot heavier bow than I do these days...the lightest bow I was shooting was 66 pounds @ 28" and the one I shot the most was 73. The Snuffers i used would make a kind of whistling noise in flight which I at first thought would cause deer to jump the string {duck the arrow} but they never did. I killed a few with Snuffers and every one I shot at kind of froze at the noise. All that said, I always had pretty good luck with the way Snuffers flew. I wouldn't give up if you really want to use them, they are killers. I will say that Phantoms are easier to sharpen.

His aren't big and gnarly, they are 125's. J.R. my girlfriend shot those sharpened ones on her bow and they flew great. I'd say as Frank did, you'll need to tune for the Snuffer.

Ok David. I need to learn how to tune for that I guess.

My Ipad has a mine of its own. Muzzy flew great. Snuffer sucked

mind. LOL. I am getting worse the the Cat:) My snuffers weigh 125 just like the phantoms

Shoot the sharp ones, the others haven't been trued up, no telling what somebody mya have done thinking they were sharpening. Weigh them with the screw in insert so that you know what you're working with.

Phantoms, like Stingers are a great tried and true head. First thing I shot with a Phantom bled like a stuck pig.

Love me some 125 Muzzy Phantoms, fly great and super duper sharp out of the package.

I weighed em all they are perfect.

I'm lost. Snuffers were never made by Muzzy. Magnus made them after Roger Rothaar.

I shoot the 125 Snuffers. They fly well. Likewise for Bear Razorheads and 125 Thunderheads. I think there is something off on your tune and/or form

I've used both. Phantoms penetrate like crazy and shoot great. Snuffers, at least the large ones, gave me penetration problems and I lost several animals with them. Never with the Phantoms. If they still made the 200 grain model I'de probably still be using them. BTW, when I shot snuffers I was shooting 60+ # bows.

Have shot both the phantoms and 125 snuffer in the past with no problems.

I would think you would have more issue getting the phantoms to fly good instead of the snuffer.

My guess is the Snuffer inserts are not mounted straight and do not spine true. Also check the Snuffers to see if the blades line up with the fletching.

Do you spin test the Snuffers on the shaft you are using? If there is any wobble when you do they aren't going to fly right. The best way to do it is when there is no fletching on the shaft you want to put them on, fletching on the shaft will hide felt wobble. Snuffers use an Aluminum Broadhead Adapter mounted with Hot Melt glue, they may need to be heated and manipulated to spin true on the shaft you are putting them on. Then number the shaft to the broadhead that way you can always put the same broadhead back on the same shaft if you take them off to have that true spin. Example: Numbers 1,2,3,... if you put broadhead 3 on shaft 1 it may not spin true and wobble bad. Wobble equals poor arrow flight. Also if you have a grain scale weight the Snuffers to make sure they weigh the same and weigh what they are supposed to. I had some new in the package 125gr Magnus broadheads, 5 out of 6 weighed 125gr, the 6th one weighed 147gr. DANNY

Those inserts were mounted from the factory, they passed the spin test here but check them on your shafts. Work with them and give them your best shot. It's a good opportunity since they were free and you won't be out anything if they don't work for you.

If they don't work out then gift them to somebody else. :)

I'll take them JR. ;) I have just one 125 Snuffer but it flies perfectly. Hard to tell sometimes what creates issues with light and since I'm not standing beside you, I don't even want to guess.

I've shot the Thunder Valley 125 Snuffers at 280fps out of my Mathews and they flew perfectly. Out of my recurves they are no problem and killed a buck with one a couple years ago from my stickbow. If yours aint flying right, something else is amiss, either mounted crooked or bent or form.

I’ve had the same experience with snuffers, killed several deer with both muzzy phantom and snuffers and the phantom always flew great snuffers were a little tougher to get to fly well

...125 grain flew great the biggest 160s were tough. Yes settled on the 145 at the time and they worked great

Never had trouble shooting Snuffers straight. Penetration was the bugaboo. I did grind some down to 125 grains. Gave them more streamlined profile and they penetrated better. Bought 50 Razorcaos a few a years ago and I've killed a bunch of game with them from turkeys to moose. Never lost an animal with them and unless it is early season with heavy vegetation I often see game go down in sight. Wish they still made them.

Jack, here's how to tune broadheads. www.fenderarchery.com/blogs/archery-info/basic-tuning

The broadhead tuning is towards the end, but you do the same thing you've done, but just use the broadhead arrow as it was the bare shaft and use the same rules. Meaning compare impacts of field points and broadhead arrows that weight the same.

Your problem is that you have a screw in 125 grain broadhead and a glue in 125 grain broadhead with an adaptor that weights a minumum of 155 if you have have a 30 grain adaptor.

If you're useing that 125 grain head with the SR's I'll be that's where your noise is coming from. I asked you arrow weight in the PM's.

I think this brings out the problem with screw in heads. It weighs 125 grains. With the Snuffer I can make it weight any weight I want from 140 to 450 grains.

Bowmania

I like 125 grain heads, prefer the weight in my insert and collar instead of all in the broadhead.

I killed a lot of game with Muzzy's 100 grain and 125 grain Phantom. Was very happy when they bought them from Elk Mountain. Quality went up and they were a better broadhead.

If the Snuffers are mounted a bit off-line (wobbly) They will fly like they are drunk.

No the total weight of the snuffers is 125 grains

Then you must be shooting that screw in SST Model? I don't think glue on Snuffers in 125 was the lightest they made.

Bowmania

David PMed me the total weight of the Snuffer is as I suggested 155. The head is 125 and then the screw in adaptor weights 30.

Bowmania

Lost the biggest deer ever shot 12 point going away from tree stand 62 # Black Widow 2219 arrow snuffer head 20 yards going away no exit hole wish i had a phantom that day.

Well I weighed em and the whole thing weighs 125

I have some that weigh 125gns including the inserts. I also took some on trade that weighed 105gns without the adapter. To answer your original question, I shoot Snuffers. They fly just fine out of all my bows. My two blade of choice is the Ace standards.

There were some 100 grain Snuffers made for a time, glue on that is. Think I still have some. If you wanted screw in broadheads then one needed to mount them on screw in broadheads adapters, either the short or long ones.

That's what I have.

Babysaph, check the mounting of them to see if they spin straight. If not a little heat and a gentle bending here or there will put them in line, just like when using glue on heads. They should fly just as cleanly as any other head.

That is what I thought as well Kelly.

I use a hot glue and spin the adapter in the broadheads until they spin true.

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