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What would you suggest to improve huntin

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JusPassin 14-Aug-19
GF 14-Aug-19
Hedge 14-Aug-19
PEARL DRUMS 14-Aug-19
Sawtooth (Original) 14-Aug-19
larryhatfield 14-Aug-19
Beginner 14-Aug-19
DanaC 14-Aug-19
Hedge 14-Aug-19
Krag 14-Aug-19
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George D. Stout 14-Aug-19
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From: JusPassin
Date: 14-Aug-19




Been a lot of good threads generating a lot of good discussion here lately.

I dare say none of us are truly subsistence hunters anymore, and if any are they are few and far between. Yes, I eat what I kill, but I hunt for the enjoyment, aka "sport" of it.

If you could pass some type of legislation to ensure/improve/support this type of activity, what would it be?

From: GF
Date: 14-Aug-19




Which type? Sport or Subsistence??

JMO, Sport Hunting would be much improved by prohibiting trail cams during any open season, along with feeders/baiting, food plots, leaving a stand in place for more than 2 weeks or placing more than one stand on public land at any given time.

While we’re at it, let’s ban any electronic attachment to a bow or firearm as well as the use of any type of electronic communications between hunters in the field with regard to animal presence, location or activity.

And no more than one buck/bull per hunter per year, regardless of manner of take. Better yet would be a Choose Your Weapon system, under which all antlered tags must be purchased prior to the opener - that would prevent anyone from hunting on an antlerless tag and running into town for a buck/bull tag after they had an animal on the ground.

Or I suppose you could be allowed an antlered tag after you had purchased an antlerless-only tag AFTER checking in an animal legally taken on the antlerless tag.

Worst thing that ever happened to CO’s Elk season was the cow-only bow tag. All kinds of guys out there who are perfectly happy to Scout their rifle season with a bow and a cow tag and it they get their bull a day or two before they get a tag for it, well, no biggie... Season was a lot quieter when it was all-or-nothing...

From: Hedge
Date: 14-Aug-19




Make hunting a state constitutional right. Like Tenn did in 2010.

Hedge

From: PEARL DRUMS
Date: 14-Aug-19




Allow Sunday hunting in states that don't, PA being one I know of.

From: Sawtooth (Original) Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 14-Aug-19




Prohibit the sale of public lands once and FOR ALL. So that it could never again even be brought to the table.

From: larryhatfield
Date: 14-Aug-19

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There are 22 States that have the right to hunt in their constitution. Time consuming to do, but only way to guard against anti-hunting groups.

From: Beginner
Date: 14-Aug-19




Let the Fish and Game Dept. make the rules and not put things to vote by the general public. People vote with their feelings not what is good for the animals. Here in California the lion and bear populations have exploded and now wolves have arrived. Our deer and elk populations are doomed by people that spend little or no time in the outdoors but fall victim to slick advertising on television and the radio before they enter the ballot box.

From: DanaC
Date: 14-Aug-19




Would like to see Sunday hunting here for sure (Massachusetts.)

Also a return to the 'old' antlerless system where archers and black powder hunters were automatically allowed to take a doe. (Now we're in the same lottery regardless of weapon choice.)

From: Hedge
Date: 14-Aug-19




The still doing Blue Laws up there? Thought all them places thru god out with the bath water. Who'd da thunk it? New England still stuck in colonial times.

Yes Sunday Hunt ban is draconian Hedge

From: Krag
Date: 14-Aug-19




VT was the first state to have the constitutional right to hunt in 1777. VT has an 8 point buck on it's state flag. Can hunt any day of the week. Almost like it isn't New England compared to the rest of them. Haven't hunted my home state in more than 20yrs.

From: JusPassin
Date: 14-Aug-19




My biggest concern relates to how we are using advanced technology to kill animals. That needs to be slowed or stopped.

Here's a thought, no optical sights on firearms, no sights of any kind in archery hunting.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 14-Aug-19




Legislation means the politicians control it. Don't want or need that. We charge the DCNR/Game Commission to do the right things for the hunting public and it works pretty well so far...since 1929. Legislators are the only ones who can bring it up for a constitutional rights question though.

If you want to do something to "help hunting", then get kids involved. We are losing hunters by significant amounts these days and the trend seems to be for that to continue. We need folks...good folks who want to be part of hunting and not doing it vicariously on an electronic device. Keep working on getting kids involved....and adults too for that matter.

From: Tom McCool
Date: 14-Aug-19




I agree with JusPassin on stopping or slowing so much technological advances for killing game.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 14-Aug-19




And one more thing, stop fighting with or demeaning those who don't hunt with the same equipment we do. They are still hunters and they are our friends and allies.

From: dean
Date: 14-Aug-19




I have been on the war path for excessive tree stand use and camera use on public land. Hunters are using these to dominate hunting areas, with the thinking if they get up enough tree stands no one will be able to hunt there. I have notes in my windshield telling me that they saw me walking past their tree stands and that I should hunt other places. Certain game wardens agree that cameras are fringing on illegal electronic communications. One game warden said that they even more intrusive than having a buddy with a two way radio and a pair of binoculars, and would like to see them banned during hunting seasons. I advocate 'leave no trace' hunting of all public lands, if you carried it in with you, you carry it out when you leave.

From: Missouribreaks
Date: 14-Aug-19




Hunters should clean their image up with voters, that is actionable.

From: bone-head
Date: 14-Aug-19




Make crossbows only legal in gun season.

From: Missouribreaks
Date: 14-Aug-19




Where legal for all, scoped crossbows have led to a steady decline in the number of bow and arrow hunters. A game changer to the image of bow hunting for sure. Too late to change, IMO.

From: Supernaut
Date: 14-Aug-19




Sunday hunting in PA, making hunting a constitutional right in all states, prohibiting sale of public land. Now those are some legislative ideas I can get behind! Any of you fellas running for office?

From: trad47
Date: 14-Aug-19




Right to hunt in TX. means buying a lease. Very few public hunting areas. Right to buy a an expensive lease is from the right to public access. I would like to see more public land bought up from the Fracking companies. Just wishing..

From: oletrapper
Date: 14-Aug-19




Sounds like most on here are comfortable eliminating freedoms of others that they disagree with (optics, weekend hunting, western regulations, technology, etc). Its easy to fight for self gain, and it saddens me to see that on here. I wouldn't pass any more legislative red tape.... We are overpowered by government as it is... I would simply remove some of the red tape. I refuse to impose any more hunting regulations on my fellow Americans.

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 14-Aug-19




yea none of that stuff isn't going to happen. Like George said we are trying to get more hunters so decreasing the tools they want to hunt with will not allow that. Yea it would be nice to have trad bow hunting only but I am not to narrow minded to not include other hunters and they way they hunt. If you want youngsters to get involved you better include all the gadgets you can

From: ottertails
Date: 14-Aug-19




"Preserve our Wildlife Habitat....shoot a land developer"

Now of course I don't condone such action, but I did buy a T- shirt saying that exact thing. ;))

(T-shirt from Paul Brunner's Screaming Eagle catalog way back when)

From: JusPassin
Date: 14-Aug-19




I'd love to be able to agree with you Caleb, but history has shown without those type laws there wouldn't be any fish or wildlife left in this country or any other.

From: Hedge
Date: 14-Aug-19




Why i did not retire in Texas.

Hedge

From: plenty coups
Date: 14-Aug-19




All public lands must be accessible. No electronics allowed in aiding hunters i.e. trail cams, lighted nocks, range finders.... Learn your quarry/prey and then apply what you learned. Hunting is an outdoor skill much of which has been lost.

From: timex
Date: 14-Aug-19




I agree with ole trapper. damn let's just make Oct - Nov trad bow only nation wide. jeez fellas I dearly love bowhunting. but the owner of the plant nersury I hunt asked me the other day how many beer I planned to kill this year I replied 20 & she said how about 25 & I replied yes mam. last season we came up short & only killed 18 so absolutely yes my scoped benchrest rifle will be doing herd control in the late season or I risk loosing a good place to hunt. not exactly how to word this but absolutely that trad bow may take you back in time to a more simpler place & time but the reality is that your living in a modern high Tec world so get used to it & adapt to it or find a different sport. and lastly I do hunt & fish & garden for substance

From: Missouribreaks
Date: 14-Aug-19




Remember the art of " still hunting "?

From: gluetrap
Date: 14-Aug-19




I think we would all make our personal pet peeves law if we could. thank goodness we cant. :)

From: timex
Date: 14-Aug-19




I love to still hunt especially on windy rainy days down a thick creek bottom near my house

From: kginrick
Date: 14-Aug-19




only allow people to hunt with selfbow and flint heads crafted by the hunter using it no tree stand ,flashlight, store bought scents ,motor vehicle transportation to and from hunting area or any other thing invented after 1807. There that ought to keep the riff raff out of “OUR SPORT”

From: Brad Lehmann
Date: 14-Aug-19




When I was a kid there were about three million deer in the state. Now that I'm retired there are seven million plus. We use feeders, sights, game cameras, and blinds that are built to last for twenty years. I say this to show that if you have enough land in your state and manage the game correctly, it will do o.k. The problem as I see itis that there are too many people building houses and too many farmers plowing right up to the road in some parts of the country. If you don't have space for the game animals to live, they will decline in numbers to match the available resources. All this other stuff is trivial. People are the problem.

From: Bowmania Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 14-Aug-19




Pretty simple. Don't vote with PETA and against the NRA. One party is for PETA and against the NRA.

Bowmania

From: Maximum Max
Date: 14-Aug-19




The attitudes ad mindset of those that hunt...... regardless of how they hunt or what they hunt with.

From: Suedog
Date: 14-Aug-19




Allow smaller minimum residential lot size in areas with public sanitary sewer and water.

Human population is growing exponentially. Stack people on top of each other. Many people don't want to cut grass.

Leaves more room for wildlife.

From: Ross
Date: 14-Aug-19




I had no idea that some state still prohibit hunting on Sunday's . That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard . What is reasoning behind it?

From: TGbow
Date: 14-Aug-19




Oletrapper and Mr George nailed it. Like it or not others have a right to hunt with their weapon of choice..scope optics or otherwise. Last thing we need is more regulation, look at California for example. In a nutshell, if we totally lose the freedoms we still have left, it will be this kind of thinking among hunters that will be the downfall.

From: alphamale
Date: 14-Aug-19




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From: Shawn
Date: 14-Aug-19




I would do several things but a lot of things are regional. I mean for the guys who want to ban baiting which I do not hunt over bait, ask them if they have ever hunted coastal whitetail in North or South Carolina? Awful tough to kill a deer in some of those areas without bait. Trail Cameras are not a be all and end all to killing deer. Actually they can e a detriment in many cases as human intrusion and leaving scent around. I agree that we need no more regulation, it will kill the sport. Get kids and young people involved, teach them to respect the game they hunt, too feel elated when they kill something yet show remorse that they just took a life. Teach them to be hunters of animals not killers of them, there is a difference!! If you can't get a kid involved get someone else involved a friend, a neighbor, a co-worker. The sport is dying instead of bitchin about the trail cams and the baiting and whatever else find common ground and preach the virtues of hunting and nature!! Shawn

From: Lowcountry
Date: 14-Aug-19




What George said!!!!!! If we don't get the next generations (kids, teens, and 20 somethings) involved, hunting as we know it may very well end with the current generations. We have to get them involved.

It really is simple math! The fewer Hunters + the more Anti's = Less hunting! That eventually adds up to ZERO hunting!

Also echoing George, bitching and moaning about what someone else is using does not help the sport. I do understand the frustration of scoped inline muzzle loaders and x-bows being allowed in "primitive" weapon seasons, but if you are using a "trad" bow for the simplicity, or for the challenge, or for whatever reason, then how are they really affecting you? We all choose the weapon we hunt with! Why choose our recurves, long bows, and self bows, and then complain about compounds and x-bows.

From: Lowcountry
Date: 14-Aug-19




Concerning my state of SC, the biggest thing I would do to improve my states hunting would be to give all control of regulations back to,the DNR. Currently, our DNR makes recendamations that the SC Gov adopts,or ignores as they see fit. The people we pay to manage our fish and wildlife (who actually went to school and have knowledge of the subject at hand) can (and routinely are) be completely ignored and over ruled on fish and game laws.

Our August 15th Deer Season opener (tomorrow) is based on one long ago, local (and powerfull) Lowcountry politician's desire to shoot a buck in velvet. All these years later and it is a tradition. I'm all for tradition, and haven't missed an opening day for the majority of my life, but the DNR says our early opening day is not great for the deer herd. Maybe I'm just getting old, but I wouldn't cry if they changed the deer season the whatever the DNR

Another example - Recently a local politician got the Redfish limit changed to his liking because he and his grandson "always caught a bunch" and thought the limit was too limiting.

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 14-Aug-19




Timex if you can only kill 20 beers you are a light weight. LOL

From: Lowcountry
Date: 14-Aug-19




"Maybe I'm just getting old, but I wouldn't cry if they changed the deer season the whatever the DNR" -

Should read "...to what the DNR recommended."

From: gradymaci Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 14-Aug-19




George..You know I call it like i read it..This time your spot on..

From: newt
Date: 14-Aug-19




Do Away with the Preference Point System! Many State Game & Fish departments thought it would be more 'Fair' for hunters to have a PP system so that they would eventually be able to draw a hunt permit if the hunter didn't draw a specific area permit in a given year, rather than have an 'Open Draw' where all applicants have the same chance to draw during any given year. What's happened is so many hunters have accumulated PP's that a young hunter may not draw a permit for many years and might just quit trying. Any Hunter who draws on a PP gets his one chance and may not get another chance for many years and so he quits putting in for a tag. After many years, Point Creep starts pushing up the number of PP a Hunter needs to accumulate to get a permit and takes his enthusiasm away, since he knows he won't draw. Guys are getting old without being able to draw a prime area, so they 'spend' there PP on a less popular area so they can hunt before they die or are too damn old to keep waiting on there 'Dream Hunt' area, and that pushes up the number of PP needed in the less desirable areas. Use to be excitement and enthusiasm for all applicants as they all had the same 'Chance' to draw specific area permits - No Longer. G & F departments can't change now as all the hunters holding large numbers of PP's would Howl like wounded dogs if they had to give up those accumulated points. Worse thing Colorado Game & Fish ever did!

From: shade mt
Date: 15-Aug-19




Preserve our public land for sure. If we want to preserve hunting then it begins with our mindset and way of life.

Gizm'os and gadgets aren't the culprit. There are guys using trail cams, compounds, crossbows ect... That have A LOT!! of hunting saavy. That are passing the tradition on to the next generations with the same Zeal. The answer is also not Sunday hunting, Many a man has sat in church on sun morning and found himself daydreaming about those mts, and the fact that he couldn't hunt that day didn't change his zeal.

No the problem is us....constantly looking at the cell phones....to busy to hunt...TV and entertainment....easy living...rather go to the tattoo parlor and get a new tattoo, than head for the woods to hunt....no dad in the home...sports...video games...ect...ect

Hunting tradition begins in the home, not in the legislation.

From: RymanCat
Date: 15-Aug-19




We want help? Then better vote Trump back in or just wait and see how things will be screwed up.

We all will be living like outlaws then when the change comes.

You want that?

Get rid of the points system in the states so that you don't have to be old when you finally get selected in nonresident states that are on points.

This is total BS. Some will never get to hunt some non resident states on some animals.

If I want to hunt moose in Maine or Wyoming I should be able to go get a tag. This is Bureaucracy and total control!!!!!!!!

You want to put a stipulation on it then you are to hunt with a guide and that creates additional revenue for the business owners and states.

NJ has made hunting and fishing a business they have a cost for all licences.

I say they will charge us a fee to take a piss in the woods one day.

Leave it up to game departments who all suck anyways. That's why things are the way they are.

God says animals belong to us not the states. States have robbed our animals like they destroyed and took red man's lands.

Government sucks and any who think it doesn't then they were never free and don't know what its like to be out of chains!!!!!!

From: DanaC
Date: 15-Aug-19




For those concerned about youth recruitment, (and we all should be imo) - volunteer!

If there's a club nearby, they need help! (Running youth leagues, youth hunts, 3D etc etc.)

Hunter Education classes are packed because of too few instructors.

Look at what large archery organizations are doing to bring kids on board. Volunteer! You may not like every aspect of a club, organization or your state f&W but people who stay home are a large part of the problem.

Also, don't get stuck in the trad-only 'mindset' - give the kids something they can hit with and enjoy. Never met a kid yet that didn't like shooting a 22 at tin cans. ;-) The kid who shoots a 22 or a Genesis bow may turn to the stickbow later, or not, but they'll still be outdoors with us.

From: timex
Date: 15-Aug-19




now that's funny. but the reality is & speaking about the two regions I deer hunt in va Loudon & fauquier in the nw part of the state & accomac & Northampton along the coast even with all the modern technology & weapons the doe population is out of control .so I'd say get the younger generation that do hunt to look at deer as substanance instead of trophy's. in areas with healthy deer population trophy hunting is a problem

From: FireChief Jeff
Date: 15-Aug-19




I'd like to see non-hunting/non-fishing users of State WMA's be required to purchase a permit, such as hikers, mountain bikers, birdwatchers, horseback riders, kayakers, etc. Why should we pay for their access? The revenues should be used for strict enforcement of laws against dirt bikers and trash dumpers. They're really making a serious mess of WMA's here in south Jersey.

From: DanaC
Date: 15-Aug-19




Jeff, I agree. There's a boat launch on a river nearby, bought and paid for out of F&W funds, that is overwhelmed by 'recreational kayakers' every weekend. Can't fish because the dumb sob's will run over your line and the fish you're casting to! I'd make 'em buy a fishing license if I had my druthers. A permit system would help too.

From: Bowmania Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 15-Aug-19




Newt, I hate the PP system, but I don't know that a open draw is the way to go.

When CO went from putting money up for the tag to paying for the tag if you draw, moose applications went from 6-8 thousand to 32000. That kind of puts a damper on a youth spending 10 (?) bucks for a 10 in 32000 chance.

I don't have a good solution, but if they change they'll be slapping loyal customers in the face.

(Coming from a guy who drew that moose tag, because I was a loyal customer for 24 years)

Bowmania

From: GF
Date: 15-Aug-19




Guys - preference points only IMPROVE your chances; they aren’t absolutely required. It’s a lottery. If you don’t like your odds, don’t play.

But this just puts a big, red X on the real issue: if you REALLY wanna know what would improve Hunting more than anything else, it would be this: eliminate the whole Trophy culture.

WHY do some areas have incredibly low odds of drawing? It ain’t the scenery or the trout fishing.

WHY can private land interests charge whopper trespass fees? It’s not because they have the fattest cow Elk in the county.

WHY the fascination with high-tech gadgetry and long shooting and feeders and food plots trail cams? WHY do some people try so hard to stake a personal claim to a patch (or many patches) of PUBLIC land?

Take the Ego Trip out of it and that’ll take the money out of it. Take the money out of it and private land will open up because the landowners have no stake in feeding a big surplus of deer. Take the whole culture of ego-stroking Horn-Porn out of hunting and it’ll come back to what it is - a simple, honest pursuit of good food and a chance to reconnect with the natural world.

THAT is what would improve hunting. And if that would drive out a bunch of people who (frankly) are the poster children for just about everything that makes non-hunters cringe and gives the Antis convincing ammunition to use against us, well, frankly, I’m OK with that.

If Hunting regs remain in the hands of the Professionals, it’s not going ANYWHERE. If the future of the sport lies in the hands of the voting public, we need to clean up our act.

From: Danielb Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 15-Aug-19




I would like to see crossbows regulated to late archery season or general firearm season.

From: Shawn
Date: 15-Aug-19




GF not so, your best chance is if everyone had the same odds. Just like putting names in a hat. Whoever is chosen wins. The issue is the PP system in the beginning was ok than they changed the rules. A big horn sheep hunt is a 40 thousand hunt. It shouldn't be that way. I agree that all the other people using public WMA's and such should pay a fee some states they do others not. Shawn

From: Desperado
Date: 15-Aug-19




Outlaw crossguns in archery season. Put them in gun season where they belong. Significantly increase license fees and use that money to hire more wardens to deal with the growing number of scum bag outlaws that are a cancer to the sport.

From: 1sthound
Date: 15-Aug-19




Stop all hunting for everyone BUT ME!! Hold your fire I'm kidding

From: oletrapper
Date: 15-Aug-19




"I'd love to be able to agree with you Caleb, but history has shown without those type laws there wouldn't be any fish or wildlife left in this country or any other."

I would most definitely keep some laws, as i see your point and agree that we need solid conservation. However, there are enough laws in place at this point (in my personal opinion), so i would gladly remove many of them - as some are not legitimate.

From: Elkpacker1
Date: 15-Aug-19




Make it a right to vote republican with out being abused

From: timex
Date: 15-Aug-19




gf I'm sorry but your giving me the (RADICAL) vibe with your posts. food plots for instance I agree with you (maybe) on the smaller ones with sole intent to attract buck's. but a Midwest farmer planting 50+ acres of non determinet soy been & leaving them all winter those deer depend on that during hard winters. have you ever spent thousands out of your pocket to help feed deer of course if a BIG buck steps out he's gonna get shot. but those beans don't get harvested at the end of hunting season. perhaps if I lived in an area with few hunting opportunity I'd feel differently but my area is overrun with deer even with x guns inline muzzleloader trail cams & on & on I will agree that trophy hunting is a problem & a few of the places I have permission to hunt is because I have a reputation for killing a lot of does. a good hunter always adapts to the situation at hand

From: GF
Date: 15-Aug-19




Todd: Farming is one thing. Farming DEER is something else altogether.

“have you ever spent thousands out of your pocket to help feed deer [?]”

No, I haven’t. And no, I would not consider it.

“Hard winters”... In VA? ROFLMSAO

If there are too many deer in an area to survive the winter without supplemental feeding, there are TOO MANY DEER. OK, granted, there CAN be extreme events which can put the hurt on the herd for a year or two. Maybe five if it’s a real humdinger, but if it’s that bad, any deer that aren't already IN the field aren’t going to get there.

And let’s do the math. Average yield of soybeans is close to 200 bushels per acre at over $8.65/bushel even with Trumpy-boy’s tariffs pushing them down to a 12- year low. That puts the value of 50 acres of standing beans at damn near $85,000 even before you contemplate the crop damage to the fields that you DO harvest, because those deer are not so good at figuring out which crops are theirs to eat and which are going to market.

Of course, if you DO have farmers leaving nearly 600,000 pounds of beans out there for the deer to “survive” on, it’s no wonder you say you’re overrun.

From: Ludy
Date: 15-Aug-19




Kill less does,we have grown up here in alabama with the WLF telling us we had to kill more does to balance the herd. We have less deer now than ever. Ever take a kid to the woods and not see anything in 4 0r 5 hunts? Talk about ruin a kid for hunting. Also the wide spred greedy clearing of our forest is killing turkey populations and hurting other wildlife species. Ever sit in a shooting house for hours and not even see a twittie bird? It happens alot here in alabama.Thats why they are losing so many hunters.

From: GF
Date: 15-Aug-19




So maybe in addition to removing the Trophy culture, we need to remove the Instant Gratification culture and the Participation Award cultures as well??

When I was a 13-year-old, I thought it was a Big Deal when my big brother got A DUCK one year. A friend of mine hunted 8 years before he got his first shot at a deer. Probably karmic justice that it dressed out at over 230.

Point is, there’s a LOT more to becoming a Hunter than just killing a lot of stuff. If we raise a generation that thinks that there is no point in hunting if you don’t kill something virtually every time out, it will likely be the LAST generation to hunt.

From: oletrapper
Date: 16-Aug-19




"Make it a right to vote republican with out being abused".

This is probably the best point on here!

From: GF
Date: 16-Aug-19




How about the right to read a post on a site that’s supposed to be STRICTLY about archery without people interjecting their right-wing politics into every damn thread?

From: NY Yankee
Date: 16-Aug-19




Habitat improvement probably #1.

From: oletrapper
Date: 16-Aug-19




"How about the right to read a post on a site that’s supposed to be STRICTLY about archery without people interjecting their right-wing politics into every damn thread?"

This thread was never about Archery to begin with. It was about imposing new laws. Historically, left wing accounts for more need for red tape, so i am baffled by the that concern. --- (If you could pass some type of legislation to ensure/improve/support this type of activity, what would it be?)----.

This also re-iterates the claim ""Make it a right to vote republican with out being abused".

We live in a world of hypersensitivities, No?

From: trapperman
Date: 16-Aug-19




In my opinion, it's too far gone. Waste of energy to think about making it better. Its peaked and on an almost straight down fall now. Awhile back I listened to Mike mitten on the push. He put it best. Theres almost no place to find solitude anymore. He talks about the local hunters advancing, making roads. The rich guys finding ways deeper into the Bush that were once only walkable or raftable. Hunting isnt hunting anymore. Here in northern michigan it's more like civil war. People are fighting non stop, stealing, calling people in for the same things their doing. Its insane. The definition of a sportsman today is sad. The state looks at it all with dollar signs. I'm gladly spending more time on my dirtbike than in the woods hunting this fall.

From: Bjrogg
Date: 16-Aug-19




Sure wish I could a a grow 200 bushel per acre soybeans. I'm thinking you got some bad information there. It's much closer to 47 bushel an acre.

It always saddens me when I see hunters fighting with each other over what is really hunting and what isn't. I hunt the way I do because I like the challenge of hunting that way. I'm not interested in hunting the way some others do, but as long as it's legal it's their right to do so. I feel no need to bad mouth them or make laws to force them to hunt the way I do.

I agree 100% with George. If you want to keep the right to hunt going for the future. You need to get the youth involved. If you just want to make your own hunting better that's a totally different answer. I'm certain if we continue to squabble among ourselves about how others should hunt and not make a concerted effort to get more young people interested in hunting we will lose the right to hunt. Very quickly. I do agree that the trophy mentality has hurt the hunt. I'm not saying people shouldn't hunt for trophies. If that's what makes hunting enjoyable for them I certainly wish them luck. I am saying that if a youngster or adult, really anyone shoots a legal animal and someone makes them ashamed of it because it wasn't enough of a trophy that isn't helping our hunting. I'm not in favor of antler points restrictions. I do feel like it is designed to cater to the trophy hunters. If it was the law I would follow it, but I'm not in favor of it. I'm blessed to live where I do. I've also made a lot of sacrifices to live here. I feel they are all worth it. I am a farmer. I along with the bank am a land owner. Both were once upon a time looked at favorably. I read all kinds of stuff daily about what a terrible person I am now. We have no shortage of deer where I live. Actually I think the numbers are probably approaching levels that CWD or some other of Mother Natures devices well probably pop up to lower their numbers. The coyotes, fox, turkeys, rabbits, fur barriers and birds of prey are all doing very well here. I have bald eagles I watch regularly. We have a lot of large farms here. I know people don't like large farms. I know they want little fields with lots of fence rows. I've been asked where does a rabbit hide. Cover crops. Cover crops provide way more habitats than fence rows. It spreads them out to. Fence rows are great. I've planted several miles of trees in fence rows but they don't provide nearly as much as the cover crops I plant. Fence rows by themselves draw animals and put them in a small area. Fence rows combined with cover crops give the wildlife food, cover and area to spread out in. In my area they are becoming much more common and I dare say the norm. I feel this is a good thing for the land and a good thing for the wildlife. It's also much more likely to be implemented than going back to little fields with lots of fence rows. I think that's important.

As for the future. It'll be here before you know it. Like already said. Get the youth involved. Help out with hunter safety. Take them out hunting. Let them shoot a doe or small buck if it's legal and share their joy with them. When they don't see or shoot at the animals they are after talk to them about what they did see. Explain that you don't expect to get or even see the animals your after every hunt. That many of your favorite Hunts didn't end with a kill. Many started with a beautiful sunrise and ended with a beautiful sunset. That many hours of nothing can turn into seconds of adrenaline rush excitement. Teach them what you already know and they have yet to experience.

Have fun and let others enjoy their hunt to.

I'm sure I made a few enemies. I don't mean to. I'm just looking for answers. I'm hoping that men, women and young people will still be hunting tens of thousands of years after I'm gone Sincerely Bjrogg

From: D31
Date: 16-Aug-19




My ideas are not going to solve the entire issue but I do believe it could be a start.

1. If you receive money or tags for crop damage on your farm than you should have to allow hunters to fill those tags. I would recommend a system that considered terrain, crops planted, species and method of take be taken into consideration into determining the number of hunters. Maybe one hunter per forty acres of woodlands and one per eighty acres of cropland.

2.If any public land needs to have game animals removed for any reason use hunters, not sharpshooters or birth control or trapping. Allow hunters to remove the animals.

3. If you have land locked by checker boarding that is publicly owned land than their should be a clearly marked entrance points to allow hunters to get to the land. No more being locked out of public land

4. Spend some of your own money and purchase land, join a hunt club or form one of your own and work to keep hunting land and habitat available.

5. Change your thoughts about farmers and farming. Most farmers are not getting rich. My neighbor just went out of business because milking 500 head of Holsteins could not cover the expenses on his farm. He employed nine full time workers and farmed 2000 acres.

6. Be willing to pay a little more for your groceries and pay the farmers a little more for their products and to hold land out of production , like the CRP program, more habitat could be restored or developed.

7. Stop mowing ditches and road right of ways. Yes you will have more animal/vehicle accidents but you will also have a great increase in ground nesting bird production like pheasants and bobwhite quail as well as other species.

I am a farmer myself and I will be honest, I don't allow anybody to hunt my land except my family. I have caught four hunters in our forty acre woods at the same time that didn't know each other were there, or that my son and I were hunting there. One had an RIFLE IN A SHOTGUN ZONE AND THREE WERE IN FULL CAMO. All new they were trespassing and didn't care. They wanted someplace to hunt.

I found them after my son and I had shots fired in our direction and a limb fell out of the tree we were sitting under.

I would suggest one last thing. If you see a tree has come down into a planted field ask the farmer if he needs somebody to cut it up and get it out of the field for him. If you see a fence is down stop and tell the farmer. Get to know your local farmers when your not decked out in war paint with your bow in your hand and you might find out he a lot like you. Good Day

From: GF
Date: 16-Aug-19




Well, maybe if enough Trophy guys and Big Money guys agree with you on that, Trapperman, things will come back around. All of that bad behavior you’re talking about WOULD NOT EXIST if it weren’t for the fascination with More Inches. People don't do that over a chance to fill a doe tag.

Look at BowSite, with thread titles like “should I plant right after I disc my food plot?” and “what kind of fertilizer for Brassicas?”. Those guys aren’t interested in Hunting, they just want to kill a bigger deer than their brother-in-law or whoever it is that gets under their thin, thin skin every year.

But the often-repeated/never challenged statement over there that REALLY lays it out plainly is this one, often repeated with a great deal of admiration: “If you’re not cheating, you’re not trying hard enough.”

If that’s the kind of idealism that has taken hold of most hunters, yeah, we’re toast. Bring on the Birth Control injections and Vasectomy programs, because Sport Hunting has sold its soul to the devil for just a few more inches.

Fortunately, I think those are just a few loudmouths, and most guys don’t feel that way. But I sure seem to have gained my own personal following of haters over there, and there are damn few who have the cojones to speak up when those churls hop up on their stumps.

From: Longbow66
Date: 16-Aug-19




I have lived in Virginia all my life. Was raised hunting deer, rabbit and squirrels. I was raised deer hunting with dogs. Now at age 53 hunting with dogs and the way the dog hunters hunt is pathetic, they kill every deer that the dogs run from a yearling on up.. I would love to see dog hunting stopped in Virginia because of this.

From: camodave
Date: 16-Aug-19




I hunt traditional to keep things simple including answering complicated questions.

From: timex
Date: 16-Aug-19




dag gone gf re read my post I said a Midwest farmer va is NOT the Midwest. & no I don't plant food plots because the county I live in is one of the top corn & soybean producer in the state as a matter of fact my favourite food plot is a patch of whiteoaks. relax my friend

From: Andy Man
Date: 16-Aug-19




Longbow66- I have to agree with you on todays dog hunting for deer- the new clubs will drive a piece of woods until they kill every last one of them in there was fair years ago with big woods and dirt roads - now with radios tracking colars etc it is more of a military manuver

I'm ready for it to go into history also

From: trapperman
Date: 16-Aug-19




I'm sure the hound hunters running deer are about on par with our bear hunters with dogs. I appreciate the tradition but today's wanna be hounds men need to get a schooling from there great grandpas belt.

From: KDdog
Date: 16-Aug-19




Try not to sink and stay downwind.

From: KDdog
Date: 16-Aug-19




Stink. Not sink, but those are nice too.

From: r.grider
Date: 17-Aug-19




Outlaw baiting. You are not suppos3d to feed bears, or hunt turkeys over bait in Kentucky, yet it is legal to bait deer. This has to make a game wardens job difficult.





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