We've about beat 3d shooting to death here lately but I just had to add what I saw last week.

Wife and I went to a new 3d we'd never been to. Shot about a 1/4 of the course when we started hearing music. Came up behind a younger guy, music blaring out of some device, had a ear piece with a mouth piece attached, I guess so he could make hands free calls, all camoed up with his back pack and water tube over his shoulder, and yes, he was a compounder. We passed him and came up on 3 more "back packers" before we finished.

I know, I know, different strokes for different folks, but such a far cry from the way us "old farts" do things. 20 years from now the arrows will probably be self propelled with electric initiators. Enjoy.

Media junkies, can't live without tv or radio or whatever. I know people who leave the tv on when they go shopping!

I love music but hate the radio. And the sound of the outdoors - birds, wind etc. is the best music of all.

3D used to be for hunting skills. It has turned into a high end target competition. As soon as the first 3D money shoot appeared, it was doomed. Our local club has one this weekend. The 36" stabilizer, folding g chair, binoculars crowd will be there. We just have a bunch of trad guys shoot it for fun. Traditional stakes are supposed to be no longer than 25 yards. Few are not longer. We just walk up to an ethical distance

Get used to it. They have their way of doing it and you have yours.

Doesn't bother me a bit. As long as they're being safe and having fun, it's all good.

What JRW said. I've yet to find one that wouldn't let me shoot around them if I closed in to them. It's all archery and they are our allies in the long run. Anyway, few 3D's around here anymore so I much enjoy my stump outings with no lines and no music. ;)

Some people need all the fancy gimmicks to go with their training wheels as long as they are having fun who cares

Ever notice how we look down and talk of guys shooting compounds, but yet fail to see the guys shooting sticks and how they look... I know top recurve and longbow shooters that use chairs, only they don't pose with the chairs in their pictures, and guys shooting sticks use binoculars as much as guys shooting compounds. And guys shooting compounds don't wear packs on their legs, or have guys taking pictures of themselves to post on social media.

No sir, we don't talk of guys like this, but do notice and talk of the guys shooting compound...

Not a problem for me. I find courtesy is usually met with courtesy at the shoots. I can remember back when I was starting out, I came upon a rather large group of compound shooters, they offered to let me shoot through. When I drew back with them watching me, I knew I'd most likely send my arrow into the brush, but center punched the boar target 20 some yards down range. One of the guys said, "how'd you do that?!" I just smiled and said that I had not idea...

One of the benefits of 3D is the added extraneous circumstances that can equal pressure and distraction during the shot if you let it. Building "immunity" to this and being able to focus in spite of are sure good things to learn.

We should all be on the course to have a good time and if we have the right attitude we might recruit more stick n string shooters.

I carry a backpack (for my boys' snacks and drinks) and use binoculars (to see the exact spot I want to hit) and i shoot a longbow. I've had disparaging comments from within our own ranks about both. Is it really that big of a deal?

I personally have had only a few encounters with the compound shooters, but they were all courteous. I was shooting my ‘56 Kodiak and the compound shooter next to me couldn’t take his eyes off of it. I was luckily shooting good that day and I offered it to him for a few shots. I gave him a few short tips (he’d never shot traditional) and after a couple of practice shots a smile curled up on the corners of his mouth. He thanked me and I’d like to think that a seed was planted that day. I know I’ll never forget seeing a full grown man smile like a kid in the old proverbial candy store! Lance

Backpacks and chairs on 3d courses now aye? That's awesome. Lol

It is a big deal to some folks. A leisurely pace at a crowded shoot is ok with me as long as it keeps moving within reason, but I get impatient and eventually aggravated when people are screwing around wasting everyone's time. It was getting pretty bad and happening every time I went, and it sounds like it's worse nowadays. Waste your time all ya want, don't care, but you aren't wasting mine. I'm simply not dealing with it. It's not worth it. That's why I quit going. Haven't been to a one in a long, long time, don't miss it, and I'll never go to another one. I wouldn't put up with the blaring music thing while at a shoot either... and i love music. That's not the time or place, and blaring it so others have to listen to it in such a setting is just plain disrespectful.

I do like George, nothing around me but nature. Peace, quiet, my pace.

Enjoy your 'modern shoots' fellas.

I have no beef with chairs, binoculars, compounds, heck, I seen guys carrying parasols and shading each other as they shoot. Cracks me up but doesn't bother me.

But the music thing? That would p* me off and right quickly.

'Courtesy' means not shoving your noise in my ears, tyvm.

And texting should be illegal during a competition. ('Shoot #7 for 39 yards' ??)

This morning I went to the club, took pix of wildflowers, shot the bow, did some trail work, shot the 22, put up a trail camera, and all this while the cell phone sat back at home. Somehow I survived!

Live and let live BUT when did common curtisy go out of date?

Compound guys with all their gagets don't bother me at all. 99% of the time they'll ask me if I want to shoot through. I've even had some of them ask me if I wanted to shoot the 3D course with them. My elk hunting partner is a compound guy. Here is a picture of Tom and I hunting elk. Tom with his compound and carbon small vaned arrows and me with my Bear Takedown and maple 5" feathered arrows. :)

Problem with binoculars? Most hunters carry them in the woods, from tree stands etc. Some older guys at 3Ds need them to see some of the targets, especially in low light conditions. I have said it here before, I believe there are far too many rules at the trad 3D events.

I never have worried about how other people enjoy archery. But, I think every club should have a noise and cell rule to keep idiots from disturbing others. Backpacks, bino's, chairs, etc. are somebody else's burden, not mine.

What's with the compounders and their chairs? In the decades of shooting 3Ds only once have I witnessed a wheelie shooter actually sit on their chair and not just used it for an oversized quiver.

Agree with what Larry Hatfield said.

I fear me...mainly because I don't even like having to listen to folks chitchat behind my back while I'm trying to focus on my shot...I'm not certain I could contain myself if their cellphone started ringing as I was loosing.

I go to shots in the woods to get away from that chit...not be surrounded by it.

sorry....just the way I feel about it.

I know that I never see a chair lately that I don't want to sit in.

xx

I generally only shoot 3D shoots for traditional archers. On occasion, I will shoot with the compounders and have no problem with it. The folding stools with quivers and tool kits were a bit of a novelty to me but I'm sure my Bob Lee was a bit of a novelty to them as well. Some of them take a bit longer to shoot a round than we do but it's all good. They have always been friendly and I have been invited to shoot with total compound strangers. The music in the woods would not sit well with me but I plead guilty to the cell phone. My job entails I be on call 24-7 and I have received some business calls on occasion on the 3D course.

Jinkster - we are agreed, sir.

I usually carry my cell phone, but I don't promise to answer it ;-)

As long as people are not flicking Zippo lighters around the clicker shooters, lol Shalom

I have been shooting 3d lately with a pack and binoculars, mostly to get used to shooting in a similar constraints as during the season. Also because in a hundred degrees I drink as much much water as I can.

I know as someone who used to help run 3-D shoots I was always thankful when people who always complained about everything ended their rants with, "And I'm never coming back!" Trust me, no one misses the whining. :)

Some of y’all sound like a bunch of little kids with all your whining. Glad I’ve never run into any of you out on the 3D course. Y’all need to lighten up and quit complaining about everything.

That's why I seldom ever go to shoots where compound devices are participating. Nothing particular against them, it's just that they take so long. Pass one group and move on and you only run into another group.

We shoot 3D for personal enjoyment. We try and be first on a course. If you plan it right you can get n between on other courses and be done in reasonable time. Last competition I attended one course was set aside for Trad only. We then shot the fun course by our selves. As for the binos, I still remember the fight to let folks use them in competition. But when it was approved the proviso was not at the stake. Backpacks, I wonder what’s all on them? I carry my water on my belt. Heck I was a grunt I learned to do without. Fact is if I was good enough I would only take my bow and two arrows.

I shoot some compounds, like my chairs and binoculars. Wouldn't care for the music though. Sometimes i have to wait on some trad guys to get out from behind the target, that is why i bring the chair.....

Sarge, liked the Zippo comment lol. After a while it would be like a cat in a room full of rocking chairs.

I see young people quite often with what appears to be white straws sticking out of their ears. Wotinell is that???

Woods Walker, those are Apple Air Pods. They are merely wireless ear phones that are synced to their cell phones.

Earbuds

Got it! I thought they were being treated for an ear infection.

Iam walking away from the whole 3D popular 3D mindset. I have personally learned some things from it and yes, I am glad Lancasters have the competition every year but did you notice one thing?

It looks like some of the top shooters were not invited but the thing most those even this year have in common is the brand Riser. There is soem things that never change,marketing is one of those things and yes, Papa Bear was good at it too.

Capitalism at its finest and the personal promotion process isstill working anywhere there is amarket for it. shalom

I don't have any problems with stools etc for shoots which are stacked up in people on hot days. The shoot at McAlester is an example where temps can go way over 100 degrees and its shot in a wooded wind stale site.

I have an IBS-D situation where sromach pains occurs sometimes during events and it is a common thing among older folks, as well as leg problems etc. Have a three legged camo camp stool which is almost nothing to shoulder and it works for some quick comfort for stacked up 3-D trails and for plein air painting. Could say I would hate to think I would be judged poorly for my stool, but then I really don't give a hoot.

I understand the "more is better" point of view entirely, as nothing is "free".

But from a personal choice angle, if I went to a 3D shoot where I had to wait on more than a couple of targets it'd be the last time I shot that one. If that's what they come to, then I'll just do more roving.

Woods Walker, I am downsizing as much as possible when I goto the woods to hunt for a day, how bout you? Shalom

Binoculars are used as rangefinders, they mark the focal points. I saw this recently, the guy had white marker points, he would just focus on target and read the range. Binos should not bet allowed.

If 3-D is ment to imitate a hunting situation (to a degree) and if hunting archers wear backpacks, carry bimoculars, and sit on stools, why is it an issue?

I'm with Larry Hatfield. I don't care how anybody else chooses to enjoy archery.

Gosh, I like to listen to Ted Nugent music up real loud while I shoot. It fires me up and gets me in the mood. LOL. Before you know these guys will all be shooting 3 under.

I’m to the point where I don’t have the patience necessary to watch a compound shooter stand at the stake, glass the target, nock an arrow, draw and finally shoot, only to then stand there and glass the target again to see where he hit it. Is it going to move if you glass it when you’re not at the stake or before walking to the target? And the shooter with him repeats this scenario. Can’t you glass the target before stepping to the stake, especially if your standing next to it?

dnovo, that is illegal in certain leagues, IBO for instance. You shoot and then you move off the stake immediately. Penalty is loss of points for 'unsportsmanlike conduct'.

Stuff like this is why I actually prefer 'formal' competition - the rules are clearly stated, observed and enforced.

Why would anyone care? Shalom

Sam - Lancaster doesn't do a 3D shoot. Their open indoor shoot, if that is what you are referring to, is an "open" shoot as in no invitation required. Sign up, pay your money and step up.

Lots of misinformation and misunderstanding in this thread, but it is the internet, so it is to be expected

Canteen k-bar pouncho. First aide pouch Was and still all you need Semper Fi

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