The more energy the limbs store?...the heavier the arrow must be to maintain noise management.
My 38# Hex7.5 limbs store the same energy as 52# conventional limbs do but if I calculate 38 X's 9gpp?...at 342grs I'd only be shooting the equivalent of about 6.5gpp off my 38# bid hook limbs...IOW's?...
They are bound to have more initial noise, since they are "super recurves"...for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Work on brace and arrow weight.
I guess. I have the brace height right where the arrows fly best and the bow is the quietest but it still sounds like a shopping cart. I guess i can put some velcro on the limbs. Boy it does sling and arrow at only 38 lbs at my draw
I’ve had a bunch of SR limbs for ILF and bolt down types. I’ve gotten some very close to “ longbow” quite, but to be honest, I’ve never had them too loud for hunting.
I have a Morrison Max 5 set at 39#. My arrows weigh 470 grains and I'm not sure how many grains per pounds as the Max 5's shoot with more velocity than a 39# bow,so I am uncertain what weight to use in determining the gpp. Any help would be appreciated.
Heavier arrow. Brace hieght sweet spot ofcourse. SBD bowstring with wool puffs. Last but not least a set of limbsavers about 2-3 inches above your limb fadeouts.
I had a Covert Hunter with the 7.5 Hex Limbs. I bought it used from RMS. The thing came decked out with three vibration dampeners on each limb. It wasn't too loud but it did have an after shot buzz.
Try the Mountain Muffler string. He has a website. I have had success using the stix tamers from 3Rivers. They are that new rubber like material. You slide them on the string and set them on the curve of the limb.
I don't have super recurve limbs but quieting any of my limbs (Winex, SF carbons, Tradtech...) isn't due to any one thing. Brace height is important but so is tiller. String material and placement of silencers play a role too.
If the SC limbs are that difficult to quiet I wouldn't trade a few fps for the noise.
Seriously just get an 8 strand SBD Silent But Deadly bowstring with wool puffs and put on the limbsavers just above the fadeouts 2 or 3 inches and I assure you your bow will be quieter.I never have had that fail on a bow that was noisier than I liked.A few of those were Border limbs that were HEX 6 and pretty radical.But not as radical as thier newest designs.I loved those limbs in every way other than they needed to be quieted down and the problem was solved with that setup.
I have a radical hybrid as well that was super fast and stable but was noisier than I like.Put limbsavers on it and immediatly improved noise and dampened out the limb vibrations faster which is why they work in reducing noise and reducucing handshock a tad as well.
You're getting a lot of noise from the tight spot quiver. The hood is loud at the shot. Take a video of you shooting it and watch how the arrows vibrate at release. You'd be quieter using a two piece quiver.
Guys are gonna argue saying theirs is super quiet and don't vibrate, but their bow so loud to start with.
because the only price you're paying is one of ignorance by "IGNORING" the recommendations to move to a heavier arrow.
Bowmania's rig is a great poor example in that he certainly got it quiet but at the same token?...He could strip about 100grs of yarn off that string and put that weight into his arrow where he'd have the same quiet result but with more KE/Momentum in his arrow instead of decreasing the performance of his bow by adding all that vibe damping mass to the string. (sorry Todd...hadta call it like I saw it)
I know you have a W-W Black Wolf riser, put those new limbs on it and see what that does. Those composite risers are noise absorbers. I shoot 8 gr/# with Uukha limbs and the W-W riser without much audio...
Babysaph....I'm starting to get the impression that you're just trolling this subject...so I'll end here with this little bit of information since you're calling BS...
Babysaph, I would make a video from 17 yards and discuss sound of a bow, not what you actually hear when the arrow left the building. My Hex 6.5 with a 10gpp arrow are quiet as my normal (now dead) Ex BF with same 10gpp arrow.
Draven...the video is only for "Proof of Life" FPS/KE wise and the reason they all sound alike in the vid?...is because of the "Audio Software" that's in all smartphones now where they are programmed to..."Balance Volume"...IOW's?...
Faint Sounds?...Get Amplfied
Loud Sounds?...Get Muted
or you'd have some parents suing because their kid suffered hearing damage getting shot at while playing grand theft auto. LOL!
Not trolling anything jinkser. I went to the ILF system due to a shoulder injury. I wanted to gradually work up to about 40 lbs. I got the super recurve limbs to try to get the performance up to my 50ish pound limbs. These Morrison limbs do that but are noisier than I want to bowhunt these super hyper whitetail deer with. I am a hunter so it matters to me about the noise. If I was going to just pound targets then it would not matter.
That is fine jinks my arrows weigh over 12 grains per pound . I assumed you were shooting the same setup as I am. Morrison limbs on a DAS handle. You are not so its apples to oranges. My setup is louder than my old setup although it performs the same. I'm just dying to quiet down my seup for hunting.
Quote "Man,skinny string, fat string? Leaves a guy confused"
Neither skinny or fat makes an appreciable difference. Go for a finished string dia that adding a center serving of between .021 and .025 dia ends up with a nock fit for your narrows. Neither skinny or fat - no extremes needed. Put something to cushion string slap in the area around the end of the string groove. Add one set of silencers weighing a total 0f 40 to 60 gr for string vibration. Shoot an arrow 10 to 12 gpp. Bow will be hunting quiet. I have an inbox full of messages telling me so.
Pluses and minuses for everything. SR's are not for everyone and nobody is a fool or troll for not liking them, for whatever reason, just as nobody is a fool for enjoying them. The vibration of the tips after the shot is annoying for some, as is the basic noise. Others find ways to tolerate the same things and shoot and enjoy them. No different than cars, pickups, or anything else sold to consumers. Also, two different brands are being compared so information shared does not cross over, for the most part.
Jinks, would be wrong with his suggestion. That string is shooting 16 grains per pound for whitetails.
I have a setup for moose without any silencers, because I don't care how loud it is and that's 14.8 grains per pound. It's actually not that loud. And I'm in the same ball park as it's 35 foot/pounds of energy.
Jinks, I was talking about sound pitch. Anyway, boltdown vs ILF will sound different. Babysaph, the best is to talk with the guy who made the limbs and see if riser and limbs are “working” together. It is not much info about MAX 6 out there from hunter’s perspective. I know JP silenced his Borders with velcro strips on the pockets where the limbs are in contact with the riser, limbsavers, string puffs and correct BH with around 10gpp arrow and is silent. Now, each has his idea of “silent bow”, and we are not hearing the same either.
I found that many risers come with either an aluminum spacer under the limb bolts or hard plastic. I now replace them with rubber inner tube. The idea of metal contacting the limbs just don't make sense to me. I also put felt where the limbs contact the riser around the ilf bushing. It helps the metal to limb contact and stops noise. It doesn't change the limb angle or effect draw weight.
I don't shoot a super curve but I do shoot a static limb with a lite 8.7 gpp arrow at high speeds. I find these lil things takes the vibration from my Black Wolf riser and I don't need a 8" brace height and six huge silencers on a big thick string. On my Tribe Halo riser, I wrap Teflon tape around the limb bolts to make sure the brass bushing is snug and don't rattle at the shot. Good luck quieting things down..
You can try wrapping wool yarn around the ends of the string for about 8" from the ends. Or I just get Mountain Muffler strings. My Covert Hunter is quieter than all but one longbow in my shooting group.
You could put them back on and change the bushings in your limbs. That would eliminate any noise from your connection system. You would no longer have metal contacting the limbs as Buglim described.
I have a Morrison Max 5 and tried lots of things. The last thing I did was turn down my hearing aids and no more problems. Thank God for technology. Joel
You press them out. If you don't have a press you can use bench vice. You'll need a block of wood with a hole that is large enough for the bushing to move into and a socket that is smaller than the bushing. Put the limb into the vice so the block is on the side the bushing will come out and the socket positioned on the other side to push on the bushing.
DanaC explained how in this thread. His explanation might be clearer than mine.
"So I can take off these ILf plates and put my DAS plates back on? I like that attachment better.,I'm going to have TP learn how to do it."
Yes. Here is the URL for 3Rivers description of pushing out an ILF bushing. This method uses a mallet instead of a press. I've done it many time with both, but I think the press is better if you have one.
I don't have one but my friend does. All I want to do is quiet down my bow some for hunting., I'm thinking I may try other ways before voiding the warranty on these expensive Morrison limbs
