Im bareshaft tuning some new arrows. Flew great at 10yards good at 15 yards and 20 yards is like the Bermuda Triangle! 33% are right and nock left 33% are left and nock right and woe and frickin behold 33% are absolutely perfect....wtf is going on?!?

Are you consistent at 20 yards with fletched arrows?

In my experience, (not nearly as much as some) if they are flying good ar 1t they should fly good at 20.

BS tuning at distance can be a major headache if your form and release isn't good and CONSISTENT.

If you insist on tuning at 20, be sure to stay with a slow controlled shot process. Stay in the shot until the arrow hits targrt... just don't be peaking and looking for it. I've been down that road, especially when you're frustrated.

Goodluck!

To keep myself rested, I shoot one bare shaft and go pull it instead of shooting numerous shots and getting fatigued so quickly. If that happens to me, the results are inconsistent. I take the time between shots to rest and clear my head. Slow and methodical, trying to make every shot exactly like the last one. That’s merely my preference, but I get better results that way. Good luck with your tuning.

Wrong picture for the topic i suppose haha

It is likely inconsistent release. Make sure to go through your shot sequence and take your time.

Are you lifting your head to watch the arrows?

Erratic results suggest you're beginning with way-wrong arrows.

Way-wrong how?

Describe your arrows and bow.

Given the equal dispersion from left to center to right it is most likely an inconsistent form/execution error on your part.

Look at your form first.

JMO...

IGNORE THE FREAKING NOCKS.

Just run a strip of tape down the middle of the target and aim at the tape.

Shoot a mix of bare shafts and fletched arrows.

Right-handed shooter: Bare left of fletched means too stiff.

If you’re putting everything into one TIGHT group, keep backing up until either the bare shafts and fletched end up in separate groups (in which case you can refine the tuning) OR you’ve exceeded your own ability to shoot a recognizable group.

Doesn’t surprise me at all that things would go wonky 5 yards further out. I had some arrows tuned so well at 50 feet that bare and fletched shafts were slapping. At 20 yards, they seemed fine.Then I shot them at 30 yards and found out they were really a bit weak, breaking hard right and missing the line by a couple feet.

No ill effects when fletched, but it’s nice to know there’s still room for improvement when I feel like messing with it.

Always look to form first.

And therein lies the issue with people trying to bareshaft and not knowing what they are looking for.

I like to use white feathers and when it looks like I'm shooting little ping pong balls out of my bow, it's tuned

First time trying there George. How about some wisdom and experience sharing instead of putting someone down when they try something new. I grasped tye basics and need some help with the finer details. Ive only been shooting a month. Instead of putting down someone who is trying to pick up a hobby that you too are interested in how about offer up some advice or guidance. Enough negativity in the world we dont need it here.

George is a pro at putting people down...I guess he thinks it makes him look smarter.

Wow. Classic leatherwall. Just shoot and practice, do and use what works for you. Don't over think it. Have fun

One thing that helps me when tuning is to shoot on separate days from different locations and even different elevations. It's amazing how different I can shoot between one day and the next. Overtime I've achieved this happy medium that I'm very happy with.

Somebody told me about this video while back and it really helped:

https://youtu.be/3j6fcVAZWNU

George wasn't putting any one down. He's on of the most knowledgeable and respectful members on this forum, and always willing to share his experience. He's absolutely right - without very consistent form and very good release bare shaft tuning can be like chasing your tail.

"LOL"

Lay off George!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He's a guy that's constantly helping people.

First off your COACH will tell you that you can only tune as good as you can shoot. So after we last spoke about getting a coach you're not flat lining on the graph of getting better, you're sliding slightly down with 33 1/3 here and 33 1/3 there.

If I shot a grossly over or under spined arrow they'd group in the target in one spot (not on target) with all the arrows at the same angle.

So the first problem is form. The second is you're trying to tune by nock angle of a bare shaft. In my opinion that's not a good plan for someone with experience.

Your best option taking into consideration the form is the same as perfect archers, bare shaft planing. This will allow you to tune the best of your ability and you're already seeing what that is.

Do a search **Tuning** and **Tuning PT 2**. If you can't find them PM me.

Andrew, here's the most important thing you can take away from this and other threads. The satisfaction you WILL GET WHEN you get it right will be like no other. It may be frustrating right now, just don't give up. Make it easy on your self, there is NOTHING better in the world than looking at a spot and seeing an arrow go from your bow hand into that spot. In short frustration will increase the satisfaction.

Bowmania

Andrew, it sounds like your arrows are fishtailing. They could be very stiff or it could be your release. I like to move back to 30 yds and shoot outside on a calm day against a backdrop where i can see the shafts fly ( the dam of our pond works well). Ill find that at that distance stiff arrows fly to my right and weak to me left ( i shoot lefthanded).

If you're confident in your form and release, keep at it and play around with increasing/ decreaaing point weight to see the effects. I know it can be frustrating, but just enjoy the process. Feel free to PM me if i can assist.

Here is a thought. Why don't we go back to trying to help @ABOoutdoors and quit thinking we can tell others to shut up or what to say. I would think Stout is a big boy and can defend himself. As far as @ABOoutdoors problem more information would be needed to narrow down the issue.

Andrew...some of us have been less than helpful.

If you had volunteered basic info about bow weight and arrow spine it's likely that you would have received less crap here. No excuses for that crap, however.

If you don't know info about your arrows, but they're all the same, here's a suggestion:

Strip the feathers from several of your arrows and use those for bare shafting. That would eliminate the possibility that you're using all sorts of spines or this exercise.

the point of bare shafting is to see where your arrows GROUP Vs bare shaft ...With any reasonable approximation of correct spine you should be able to GROUP fairly closely, even if not accurately, at 20 yards...

If your arrows are "way wrong" (that was my phrase, not proper archer phrase) or if your form is not yet good, arrows won't group, they will be scattered all over the place (per your experience).

I recently helped a beginner whose arrows were scattered wildly by letting her shoot mine, which were far too stiff (mine were 600s, she needed 800s) for her bow but nonetheless grouped far better than the arrows she was using...archery shop had sold her a mixed mess of arrows :-)

The least quickest route is to ask some other archers for guidance IN PERSON (not online). They won't be "right" but that would be a good starting point.

I have broad shoulders and a thick head so criticism doesn't bother me, and sometimes it's good to keep us humble. If I sounded condescending, I didn't mean to be so that would be my bad. I'll try to watch my approach much better. Fundamentally I was being honest. You do need some solid form and know you can shoot consistently. If you can do that, then just disregard my comment. A lot of new folks try it too soon and get frustrated. Bowmania, knows more about form and how it applies than I do, so pay attention to guys like him.

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