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Utah mule deer draw

Messages posted to thread:
Thumper-tx 16-May-19
Buglmin 16-May-19
RymanCat 16-May-19
old fudd 16-May-19
tradmt 16-May-19
goldentrout_one 16-May-19
goldentrout_one 16-May-19
Thumper-tx 16-May-19
4FINGER 17-May-19
yahooty 17-May-19
Buglmin 17-May-19
old fudd 17-May-19
Iwander 17-May-19
Iwander 17-May-19
Lhskyguy 17-May-19
Buglmin 17-May-19
CHICKENFOOT 17-May-19
From: Thumper-tx
Date: 16-May-19




Well, it seems that I did not draw a Utah mule deer tag again! That makes 15 preference points. It has become almost impossible for a non resident to draw good out of state tags these days. In Colorado, the unit that I hunted elk in for many years became a draw unit and now takes about 19 points for a non resident. It seems now that once you get much past 50 there is no use applying for good draw units as you will likely be too old to climb the hills by the time you actually get a tag.

From: Buglmin
Date: 16-May-19




I was having this same conversation yesterday with a good friend. Seems it gets harder and harder to draw permits with the explosion of bowhunters. What upsets me is a woman drew a sheep tag with five less preference points then me in the same gmu that I applied for. Three years ago, a man drew it with two points. With the draw the way it is, having preference points doesn't do you any good anymore. I was so sure I'd draw. See the big rams every year I'm chasin deer or elk. Really upsets me...

From: RymanCat
Date: 16-May-19




This sux and so does the game depts.

From: old fudd
Date: 16-May-19




Archery Hunting>> 56 years.. Or I should say 54 years. My home State has not issued me an Archery General Season Tag in 2 Years>> COOL AIN"T IT??,This is a State where Lotteries are Against the Law., Wildlife Tags are the Biggest Lottery>> PERIOD>>

From: tradmt
Date: 16-May-19




Don’t worry, just stick together under the big tent, everything will be fine.

From: goldentrout_one
Date: 16-May-19




As a Utah resident, you won't get much sympathy from me - in many units, the non-resident has better odds than a resident! Note that as far as I'm concerned, non-residents are very welcome to come to Utah - just know that the locals are dealing with the same issues.

FYI, last year I hunted the Book Cliffs (archery mule deer), it took me 10 points to draw (11 years of applying), and that was max points. A friend of mine a few years ago (he might be reading this), he hunted the Book Cliffs and then had a 3-year waiting period before he could apply for Limited Entry deer again. His first year he could apply, he put for Book Cliffs again, and drew it again with ZERO points. That same year, I put in with 9 points. There were 38 people that put in with 9 points, and of the 38 that put in, 34 dew out. I was among the 4 that did not draw!!!!

This year, my hunting partner drew out Limited Entry Archery Elk (Manti-Central), and he had only ONE point! One of my co-workers this year drew out the Paunsaugunt rifle deer tag, and he had only 4 points (usually takes 19 or 20 to draw). Note that the Paunsaugunt tag, when sold at auction, will usually fetch $30K to $40K, that is a very desirable hunt. And a few years ago, another friend of mine drew LE archery elk for the Dutton unit, ZERO points!

And of course my other buddy, who has 21 desert bighorn sheep points, didn't draw (again). Someone did draw a desert bighorn with zero points about 5 or 10 years ago.... Everything sucks!

From: goldentrout_one
Date: 16-May-19




And if you rifle hunt in Utah, you can figure on drawing a tag for a GENERAL UNIT (not Limited Entry) maybe once every 3 or 4 years. Bowhunters can usually draw every year, but as old fudd indicated, that is not guaranteed either - 3 years ago, I put in for the Dutton unit, I basically had a 9.3/10 drawing odds, and I was among the 7% that did not draw....this is why a lot of people, if they can afford it, simply go to Idaho every year, and will buy a Landowner tag in Colorado, and hunt Wyoming every few years after they build up enough points for their preferred unit. There is some good hunting in Utah, but unless you are wealthy and can afford to buy a tag from a CWMU every year ($8K to $20K), you have to wait to hunt every few years and then the age structure on public land is usually pretty bad, with mature bucks a rare sight....

From: Thumper-tx
Date: 16-May-19




I was moaning about Utah but Colorado, New Mexico, and Arizona are all the same on being impossible to regularly draw.

From: 4FINGER
Date: 17-May-19




I would assume that it is still possible for a person to Move to another State ;)...:)...4finger

From: yahooty
Date: 17-May-19




Oregon has a handful of draw units for archery. They are the only ones that are managed for big bulls. They all take quite a few preference points to be guaranteed a draw. And then you have the guaranteed point creep... it takes 17 point one year, 18 the next, then 19 and so on.

The reason you see folks getting tags with many less points or even 0 points (at least here in Oregon) is that 75% of awarded tags go to those with the most points and 25% of tags go to all others. I'm not 100% sure, but I think Oregon also reserves tags for out of state hunters.

I don't have an issue with out of state hunters, especially archery hunters. The overall success rate is relatively low and they bring in much needed money to eastern Oregon economies.

From: Buglmin
Date: 17-May-19




Well, about moving to another state... Guess you haven't heard about our wonderful govenor, his animal rights partner, the big wolf issue and our mountain lion issue. On top of that, the CPW produced these high elk herd numbersfrom their count that are leaving most of us, including the outfitters association scratching our heads. Only a handful of Dow officers were aware of game counting going on in their district...

I miss New Mexico, but the draw is terrible there and without landowner permits, we'd never get to hunt elk or make deer there. And Arizona...

From: old fudd
Date: 17-May-19




We all know that Utah offers alota Great things.Great place to raise your kids, Grand kids Great>> Grand Kids,I feel if Archery Hunting is at the Top of your list>> By All means MOVE! Born in Tooele Utah 75 years ago. Was a Great place to grow up>> Again ya feel like leaving. Then go for it! Maybe I can draw a tag before I slip off to the Happy Hunting Grounds.

From: Iwander
Date: 17-May-19




Come on out here to California, you can get tags over the counter. I bet you'll wish you were back in Utah for 10 minutes. LOL

From: Iwander
Date: 17-May-19




"In" about 10 minutes rather

From: Lhskyguy
Date: 17-May-19




Idk were you are located but if you choose your units correctly for me new mexico has been an easy draw state. I enjoy unit 31 lots of really nice desert mullies tons of blm and state land to hunt. Not a preferance point state so everyone every year has just one name in pot.

From: Buglmin
Date: 17-May-19




New Mexico was several low draw units because of low trophy quality or lack of game. Units in the northern part of the state are very hard to draw because of the trophy quality. I've played the unit 2b game since 2000, have drawn very few tags. Landowner vouchers allows me to hunt a ranch.

Drawing elk in New Mexico, if you apply for low quality units will draw you every year or two, but the success rates are very low, some below half a percent. Trophy or quality units get tougher and tougher to draw every year.

My youngest daughter moved to Orem a few months ago, loves it there. She fell in love with the place when I'd do shows and stuff at Jake's Archery and Scheels and they'd go with me. Nice area.

From: CHICKENFOOT
Date: 17-May-19




I drew non res utah deer 1st time didnt draw one tag in NM go figure I used to draw all the time in NM not anymore evryone puts in there wifes kids uncle s .





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