Do those spinning inserts really contribute ?

Wonder what makes the inserts spin? When I shoot a flight arrow, they do not spin at all. I use a 3 1/2" straight feather with my Ace heads and have never seen them plane or spin at all. Just wondering.

I don't know anything about them. They may be great, but when I see statements like this -

"Arrows fly flatter - A faster arrow creates more lift, making arrows fly flatter."

I just think "What a bunch of marketing gibberish"

Gimmick, IMHO And that's with trying them. The old way has worked for years.

Why are they a gimmick? Have you called Bruce at Ethics to discuss this, or are you just going off what you think? I'm shooting them on .204 diameter Fire and Ice shafts with 125 grain Van Dienan heads. With a stick bow, it's hard to see results shooting in into a regular broadhead target. But I know of some guys shooting them from modern bows in Texas with nothing but good to say about them.

hawkeye in pa, how did you try them? Please share your results and reasoning why they are a gimmick to you. And please tell us you talked to Bruce and explained why his products are a gimmick.,

I've been shooting straight fletch for a while and I don't even see the benefit of curved fletch...but I noticed a couple of guys here mentioning that they used spinning inserts and wondered if that was something everybody but me knew about them...

I'm with jk--what the heck is a spinning insert? I guess I'll google it or maybe giggle it, depending what these fat fingers do. Never heard of them.

Never heard of them OR a Van Dienan head...whatever that is. Everybody is trying to reinvent the wheel!

Interesting concept. They make quite the sales pitch on their website. Would be interesting to see some independent testing.

Years ago NAP made the Razorback 4 and I believe a 5 that were supposed to allow the shaft to spin when the broadheads made contact with an animal. Was supposed to give you deeper penetration. I had friend that used them with mixed results.

Arrows with more lift- sounds like another way for me to miss what I'm shooting at:) JayInOz

I did capitalize IMHO and my sentence should have read "And that's with OUT trying them out". They might be the cats meow on the high tech side. But sheesh with my 175fps 55# stickbow and a 510 grain arrow with 5" feathers and my style of shooting how would I compensate for that lift and flatter trajectory with out a aiming system when shooting a broadhead? And it can't possibly make a difference with a field

Rather razor back 4 and 5 worked or not they are no longer made, that says something. Been special spin nocks also that never took over the market.

Spinning broadheads and such is not a new idea. If properly marketed, some people would put a cork screw on the end of their arrow.

[[[ Jim: "Years ago NAP made the Razorback 4 and I believe a 5 that were supposed to allow the shaft to spin when the broadheads made contact with an animal. Was supposed to give you deeper penetration. I had friend that used them with mixed results." ]]]

Yes, and these inserts do the same thing.

The premise of them is - If the broadhead don't have the force of the spinning shaft on it, then there will be less resistance due to reducing side pressure on it as it enters the target, thus better penetration.

That's pretty solid science, but how much difference it makes in real life I have no idea.

As far as it making the arrows fly faster/better. I don't know.

Rick

If electric nocks are good, electric carving knives are almost acceptable (to somebody), how about motorized Zwickeys?

Well, Van Dieman heads are single bevel heads test come from Australia, and most guys have heard about them because it's a high quality machined head.

As for saying something is a gimmick without having no experience with a product, well, I won't say much. Some guys will experiment with something before calling it a gimmick. I mean, some of the stuff lots of guys claim are the cats meow, but to me they are junk, but I keep my mouth shut. If you want to know about something, call the guy making them. He's got reasons and testing to show his product. Bruce from Ethics Archery isn't making junk, makes some of the better arrow components on the market today. If I wanted to know about a product, I'd spend some time watching the YouTube videos or talking to the guy that makes them, instead of asking about them on a forum where guys have no idea but still has to make comments.

These are new to me also.

I have used the Razorback 4s and 5s in the day and had very good results. Quite a few complete pass-throughs. This of course using a compound. Still have one somewhere.

However, with absolutely no experience with these spinning inserts,, the theory seems sound. As I see it, if the shaft is spinning due to off-set fletching, then the broadhead would also spin. Seems logical that a broadhead penetrating straight would dissipate less energy than one spinning. If that's what these inserts accomplish then they make sense.

Buglmin:

A couple of fallacies in your statement. First video's can be edited to show just about anything you want it to show and The guy manufacturing the product has an agenda, to sell product, of course he is going to hype his product with probably very limited testing. only time will tell.

But as said above the Razorbak 4 & 5 didn't stay on the market very long, after many bought into the hype there manufacture put out. Good products stand the test of time such as "ACE" & "Zwickey"

Bob

Never herd of them either but more than likely would not even try if I did I don't believe.

Same thing here on the arrows spinning from feathers mounted I never saw any real difference at close range on straight feather verses slight offset or hard offset.

Where I did notice the arrow fell off was long distance target shooting on hard helicoil offsets it slowed the arrow down considerably.

All this stuff sounds good but does it really effect and improve things enough to say got to have them to try and use and research. Not for me.

A large BH seemed to be better driven with hard offset rather rather straight fetch it straitened out faster and stabilized.

Broadheads and other archery/bowhunting gear that don't stay on the market long may not be due to them being a poor product. Sometimes it is introduced to the market at a wrong time, could also be due to lack of advertising capital. At the time of these past products, there was not an internet. As we can see from this thread, items are getting free advertising, even if it's negative.

the concept is sound. looks to be a well made product from pictures. im guessing it wouldnt make a noticable difference in performance to me. if youre chasing every last once of performance you can get or shooting a light set up where you need everything you can get it might be of interest. id be curious to hear any first hand experiences with them

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