It's still to wet to plant sugar beets. I've got stuff ready to go. Always something else I should be working on but decided to work on this one. What do you think.

48" n-n

47@24"

Bjrogg

Brogg , looks like you are shooting a 62 inch bow in that picture at a rabbit. Great work.

A well made arc, lovely and lethal. Nice work.

What do we think about what? The tiller? I won't comment on a bow's tiller shape or limb balance with just the full draw side profile pictured. Nothing personal, and it looks like a neat little bow otherwise, but how are we to assess it while drawn without knowing first how it appears at rest? In fact, I see a spot or two that are possible areas of concern to me... but won't address them without seeing the unbraced side and front views.

I saw your thread on the other site, and folks declaring it 'perfectly tillered', 'beautiful bends', 'well balanced', etc... again, with only this picture for reference... and all of them bowyers... Tsk, tsk, tsk fellas.

Great shape to that little bow! Masterful tiller job too!

Very nice tiller. Jawge

Looks like a nice short bow to me. Well done BJ.

I like. Arvin

Thanks everyone

Jeff I know exactly what your saying. I'll try to get more pictures. I think I'm happy with the tiller though. Really happy how it shoots. I put a coat of tru oil on last night. I just put this picture I my brother took to see what it looked like in my hand. Really didn't have time to be doing this project anyway, but I just did anyhow. Just thought I'd do a drive by post.

Bjrogg

Bj, Jeff has a point and that would be good to post some more photos. Jawge

I don,t think you have to prove anything to anyone on your tillering skills.Some guys like to nit pick ,but never post their own bows.If you are happy with it that is all that counts. Build on.

It's ok. I understand Jefff's concerns. I just had to pull water pump out of my dads well. Had better start to days before. I snapped a couple real quick pictures.

Bjrogg

Unbraced

Front profile

This might be one of the spots you we're thinking of Jeff. Got a squiggle and a bump.

It shoots beautiful. I wish I had a picture of the stave it came from before I started on it.

Bjrogg

Yep, that's exactly what I meant. Now we have a much better understanding of your bow. We had no idea it was snakey or had that little natural whoopdy-do. Thanks posting more pictures. Now I can say, nice job on the tiller... and mean it! :^)

Hey Bassman, it's not about proving anything and I'm not nitpicking. When folks post pics of selfbows on these message boards and ask, "what do you think?", they're generally asking for honest, helpful, meaningful, tillering critiques. Done that way, it also helps new, budding bowyers and lurkers more deeply understand tillering wooden bows. It's also a pet peeve of mine how folks tell each other how wonderfully bows are tillered with no real way of knowing whether they are or not.

Jeff I understand completely. I was asking for opinions on tiller and really should have included more pictures. Glad you like the tiller Bjrogg

Looks great.

Thanks for reminding me to never post pics of my work on here...lol

Nice work.

Been in the same camp as Bj for years but quit asking for more pics because too many people just don't realize that a bow at full draw is only part of the story.

A lumpy look at full draw may be perfectly tillered if the bow is lumpy when unbraced. And a smooth curve at full draw is only desirable if the bow is free of quirks when unbraced.

Well Jeff I have a friend that posted bows on here ,and Primitive ,and quit making bows because of all the negative critiques.Just saying better to encourage even if the bow is not perfect. Which in this case was very well done.Case in point by Franklin, "remind me to never post pics of my work on here....lol".

Beautiful bow Brian,great job.

Quit making bows because of the negative critiques? Wow, he's either got real thin skin, or wasn't too serious about bow making. I've never seen critiques harsh enough to do that, and I've been on all these sites a long time. Usually they're way too 'fluffy'. I would rather folks were brutally honest with me about my work(best way to learn) than blow smoke up my butt to give me a phony warm and fuzzy feelin... but then, I have thick skin. Even if I didn't, I'd quit posting pictures of my bows LONNNNG before I'd quit the craft, but that's just me. It ain't for everyone I guess.

Now, I gotta go sand the superglue off my fingers...

Peace.

Very nice. I am glad you followed up so we could see the cool snake curves.

Brian, super nice shorty, with that short of a bow do you have to use two fingers instead of three, love the not too much snaky and the grain. What are the tips made from?

I know you are busy so if you don't have time to answer, fine.

I have been so excited to show off what I have done I posted only one picture myself, but later showed off the whole thing.

Thanks for posting and showing us another fine job.

Franklin, I honestly hope you don't stop posting your work. I'm thinking that was a compliment.

Thanks Steve.

Bassman I'm fine with Jeff's questioning my unbraced profiles. Jim is right, perfect tiller doesn't always have a classic perfect tiller shape. It should reflect the unbraced profiles.

Jeff I prefer someone is honest, that's how I learn. I'm probably my toughest critic. I try to give my honest advice, hopefully in a way that doesn't offend them.

Ranger193 I'm glad I got a chance to post them to. I'm guessing there might have been a few people surprised when they saw them.

Ron ThankYou, actually the string angle isn't that bad with the tips flipped. Doesn't pinch fingers to bad. The tip overlays are bone. Actually first time I've used it. Used Antler a lot and bone very similar. I think it turned out nice. Usually don't make any friends in the shop though as it gets pretty stinky.

Thanks everyone for looking. Always enjoy your comments

Bjrogg

Your arrows are too long! ;). I'd bet that thing would really smoke a 24" arrow! Great job!

Jeff won,t quit making bows like you will never quit running your mouth.

SB you know that's exactly what I was thinking.

Bjrogg

Great looking bow. But, what I think is you need to get your feet shoulder width, roll your draw shoulder over to extend your draw length and get a good back squeeze, stop hunching, and shoot an arrow about 7 inches shorter. As, you've got anther 3 inches of draw left.

WVMountaineer believe me. I know my form stinks. I'm self taught. I'm not the greatest target shooter by a long shot. I do love hunting with these selfbows though and play around a lot shooting from uncomfortable positions. I very rarely shoot past 18 yards. I think that's probably one of the reasons my form stinks, but it's a smell I've become comfortable with.lol.

Bjrogg

Looking good Brian. Hope to see you with it at Marshall

Thanks Jon. I can't wait to see you. Been thinking of you a lot. Bjrogg

Your form is yours man. I’m sure it works for you or you’d change it. But, that 18 yards could double if you’d build a better sequence that promoted more consistency at longer ranges. Just sayin’. As talented as you are at building them, shooting them should be natural.

Brian, My form was very rudely critiqued in another post by a target shooter who obviously knows nothing about hunting, your form could be improved slightly as mine could also, but it works for us, you may want to try what WV Mountaineer suggested, you may be surprised, but I wouldn't do it with that short of a bow, it may not take the extra draw.

Personally, If you read Jeff's post it isn't being rude, he is just asking for more pictures and made a statement about how people grade bows who obviously are sugar coating it.

I am not making excuses for Jeff, but I went back and read his post again and it was fine, now I know what to include in my posts.

Wow! I didn't expect to see that degree of snakiness!! Very nice, very unique.

Now I know why some people just show the risers.

Thanks Everyone. Just got my dads water working again. You really miss it when you don't have it even if it's raining.

WVMOUNTAINEER. I hear exactly what you are saying. I know I'm short and short drawing. I know I could get better performance out of many of my bows with better form. I actually think I had better form when I first started shooting. I guess it's what feels natural to me. It kinda works with my type of shooting and hunting. I think on the rare occasions I do shoot past 20 yards I do use different form and a longer draw. I just don't do it very much. Maybe someday I will. I make so many bows and shoot so many bows. I try em out in my shop at short range a lot. I appreciate your advice and value your reply.

Ron I agree with every word you typed. Thanks sir

Monkeyball, I'm kinda self taught, but I learned a lot from the best. The guys and gals I've meet through the Primitive Archery site and Meets have been amazing. I'd probably still be breaking bows without them.

Thanks Cobra. I like when people look at my bows and say the one is really nice and straight. It must be a good bow. Then I pull out the ones that are interesting to me. They really have a hard time grasping that a snaky knotty piece of wood can bend like that.

Thanks 2strings. I don't mind looking at risers.

Thanks again everyone

Bjrogg

ELK DREAM HUNT.Can,t do that sitting at a computer trolling all day.lol

Brian, too wet to plant sugar beats. LOL don't hear that anymore in OKC.

Love the bow and the snakey profile, great craftsmanship. John

John it just keeps getting wetter. It's to wet to plant the trees I got from the NRC. They actually got a few beets planted to the west. Some of those are coming up now. Usually like to get them planted by my birthday. That was Tuesday. If it quit raining now it'd be at least a week till the ground got fit. It's still raining. Don't you miss spring time in Michigan?

Thanks for the reply John.

Brian , sweet looking bow

O See Are, you need a motor boat.I am betting you already have one since your a pro at trolling.lol.

I finished her up. Told my brother all it needs now is a name. As I hung it up next to my other bows I thought. Wow that looks like a kids bow! Suddenly a name popped in my head.

Bjrogg

Took another full draw picture to. Bareshafted a shorter arrow. Shaft is river cane 26" long. Has a 6" pole barn spike for point. It's cut off about 4" and weight 13 grams (I don't have a grain scale). Shoots nice but didn't end up much shorter as spike sticks out in front of shaft a couple inches. It's a little shorter though. Ran into node and couldn't push nail in any further

Bjrogg

Ps top mid limb looks slightly stiff but it has that funky hump and wiggle. It is taking any set. I think it's done

That was supposed to say isn't taking any set. Bjrogg

Brian, Happy Birthday!!!!!

Thanks Ron. There starting to add up.lol I guess they always where.

Bjrogg

I think I am going to start counting backward....Ha!Ha!

Happy belated birthday buddy

Also when I started carving wooden decoys to hunt over on Lake Huron. I joined the Tri City Carvers. We would bring our current carving in and put it on the bench. All the carvers would gather around and tear it apart with comments. It will help with issues you may have in this carving, to make the next carving better. Not all people are negative, just helping you grow/evolve. John

Nice bow and your form looks good to me. I like that old country song, If I had no bad form I'd have no form at all, gloom, despair and agony on me.lol

Thanks John. I'm totally fine with constructive criticism. I try to give it to. It has made me better. Some guys even like a bit of trash talk thrown in there. I try to be both encouraging and give honest advice. It's sometimes a thin line between the two. I really try hard to avoid the rest of the stuff.

Thanks Will. Yup that sounds like my form. I've been changing it as I go. Probably not for the better though. I do think there's a difference between hunting really close style and target shooting at longer distances. It's hard enough to get close in the first place. But it's even harder to get a good draw undetected off from very close. Especially on the ground. I'm still pretty new at this compared to many. I'm still learning and adapting. I appreciate any sincere advice I'm given. I might use all of it, some of it, or none of it. I appreciate it all the same. Bjrogg

I think that's a cool little bow, that's what I think ;)

Mighty fne, BJ. I also put a name on every bow I make. I sign it, put the poundage and draw length and the date. Jawge

Thanks wooddamon1, it started out as a stave that didn't look real promising. Then I was going to try a longer stiff handle, but I didn't like where the snaky wiggles ended up. I actually had both recurves bent and decided to cut one off and shorten it up to 48". It put the wiggles in more uniform area on each limb. I'm glad I went this route. Glad you like it to.

George I name almost all of my bows to. Sometimes they have a name before I start. Sometimes it comes to me later in the process. Sometimes I tell whoever I'm making it for if they don't name it I will. I don't know if someday that'll change, but as long as the names keep popping into my head I'll keep writing them on my bows.

Bjrogg

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