From: ruintfletch
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Date: 17-Apr-19 |
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Wondering how the Redman shoots with the Yew lams? Are they smooth pulling? I'm looking at a 68". How about quietness? Thanks, Bob
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From: Lefty
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Date: 17-Apr-19 |
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They are all of the above. A very good bow and a pleasure to shoot.
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From: ruintfletch
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Date: 17-Apr-19 |
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Do they have handshock?
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From: soap creek
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Date: 17-Apr-19 |
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I have had a number of ASL's by some of the top bowyers. The Redman I have is very smooth drawing.(my Redman in backset) I can only compare the one I own. It is a very well behaved ASL in my opinion, for what its worth.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 17-Apr-19 |
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"Do they have handshock?"
To some people they will, to some they won't, but it's usually how the shooter grips the bow versus whether it actually has that mystical "handshock" thing. Everything else you need to find out for yourself because we are all different in how we approach and understand bows. I don't buy bows on someone else's opinion of them. Not trying to be negative, just trying to be truthful. In my opinion there isn't enough difference between models to be critical.
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From: Viper
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Date: 17-Apr-19 |
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I have one, and several other Hills. They all pretty much shoot the same, providing the grips have the contours. The limiting factor with Hill bows is the design, not so much the materials.
I will disagree with Mr. Stout on one point. Unless you do something really stupid, how you grip the bow has little to do with perceived hand shock (they all have hand shock). The real trick is just shooting them exclusively enough to get used to it. For example, I don't shoot my Hills much any more but when I do, I "expect" hand shock, and since it's expected, it not "a shock".
Viper out.
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From: George Vernon
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Date: 17-Apr-19 |
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Hand shock is the by product of a bow and string having to dissipate some percentage of the stored energy one puts in a bow through the act of drawing the bow. No bow can deliver 100% of the stored energy to the arrow. There are a number of variables like core design, core material, etc. that can impact how a bow handles the left over stored energy, but physical or mass weight of the bow is likely the biggest.
Most ASL's weigh about one pound. Takedown recurves are often in the 2.5-3# range. Many people don't feel any hand shock in the heavy recurves since the physical weight of the recurve dampens out the residual stored energy much more effectively than the ASL can due to its light physical weight.
Getting rid of more of this stored energy is the main reason why heavy arrows shot with any ASL will produce less felt hand shock since the heavy arrow can take more energy out of the bow than a light one.
Here is an experiment you can do to see first hand the impact of just a small addition of weight to the shooting characteristics of any ASL. A small, strap on or slide on quiver that weighs 6 ounces will work just fine. Shoot any arrow you want with the ASL and no added weight to the riser. Then put on the quiver or any other 4-8 ounce weight on the riser and shoot again. The hand shock will all but disappear.
Craig Ekin uses a steel and brass socket for the Howard Hill takedown. It adds 4-6 ounces of weight to the bow. I've shot a Redman one piece and a Redman takedown with the same draw weight, and the takedown has much less hand shock.
I've also been able to shoot a Redman and a Wesley special of the same length and draw weight. Subjectively, in my hand, the Redman had less handshock. Probably due to the heavier physical weight of the yew laminations in the Redman vs. bamboo in the Wesley. So, to me, the Redman was a bit more pleasant to shoot, but was also a little slower. No free lunch.
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From: longbow1
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Date: 17-Apr-19 |
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I've owned several Redman l-b's over the years and they all shot great and were a pleasure to carry through the woods. As for handshock, the way you grip the bow and your bow arm has a lot to do with perceived shock. Depending on the brace height of a Hill style bow or American style bow, string material has something to do with vibration in a bow and I how people perceive that. I think sometimes folks think excessive string vibration amounts to something like hand shock. To me a shock is a bad feeling going up your wrist to your elbow to your shoulder and neck. I've never actually felt that in a longbow nor any other bow for that matter. I've felt excessive vibration, but not shock.
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From: NormF
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Date: 17-Apr-19 |
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I had one that was a nice shooting bow. No noticeable hand shock to me. It was lighter than the bows I was shooting then but I wish I kept it. Over time the yew starts looking great.
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From: Chas
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Date: 17-Apr-19 |
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I've owned a Redman and it was a great looking and shooting bow. That said, I feel all longbows have residual vibration (hand shock) when shot. Some just more than others based on design. IMO ASL's I've owned all had more felt vibration when compared to RD longbows. Some more, some less but definitely more when compared to RD longbows. Again, just my observations.
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From: trad47
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Date: 17-Apr-19 |
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Handle shock to me feels skin falling too hard on your hand in football. Resulted in a sprain. The first Redman I shot many years ago was a straight limb ed design . As I didn’t know anything about proper grip I choked the handle and the bow kicked like a mule. Fast forward twenty years later I got my first Howard Hill Bow , a Redman 46# . It was a string follow design which I requested. There was absolutely no shock or vibration whatsoever. A proper grip ( light hold) and heavy cedars made it a joy to shoot. Maybe a little loss of FPS but nothing significant to my eye . It hit the targets hard And it would easily kill game. Again no handleshock.,
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From: Tate
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Date: 17-Apr-19 |
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I can't tell the difference between woods. Bow length and limb design is the biggest factors on performance/feel. I think a string follow bow is less "shocky" than a back set limb, but it's also a little slower shooting. My personal favorite is my cheetah. You will be happy with every model he offers.
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From: Yewbender
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Date: 17-Apr-19 |
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I have a 68” Redman and several other Hill style longbows with yew limbs with backset and love them. They draw smooth but a string follow i find draws just a bit smoother but not much. My bows weights range from 50 to 62 lbs.
As to the noise of shooting the bows for me...very quite! My bow strings are 15 strand B-50 and shoot a wood arrow around 600ish grains along with proper grip and form. I don’t use any string silencers on my bow strings. I have had many people say they can’t believe how quite my bows are.
Now....as to this handshock thing? Yes...depending on draw weight and if you don’t have proper grip and bad form. I will tell you this, after shooting Hill style bows for some years i fell nothing at all and i don’t death grip the bow. Just enough so it won’t fall from my hands when shooting.
Hill style or ASL’s are not for everyone. Some people pick it up fast and others may take some time to get use to it. I suggest if you know anyone who has an ASL, ask them if you could shoot it to get an idea of how to shoot them before you have one built. Hope this helps and BTW i learned to shoot these bows by reading, shooting and help for others.
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From: fdp
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Date: 17-Apr-19 |
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I've owned at least one of virtually every model that the Ekins make. Of all those bows my absolute favorite was a 68" 65lb. Redman that I let Dick Wightman talk me out of several years ago.
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From: Larry Burford
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Date: 17-Apr-19 |
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I had a Redman and I loved it. I somehow let a buddy of mine talk me out of it with the understanding to let me know if he wanted to ever get rid of it. Of course he sold it without telling me about. I wish I could find it.
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From: BenMaher
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Date: 18-Apr-19 |
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My fave Hill bow ... and I have had plenty !
Can’t go wrong with a Hill Redman
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From: longbowguy
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Date: 18-Apr-19 |
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My latest two are the Redman model. They seem to me to be at least as good as the bamboo ones, and a little prettier. I get compliments on their looks. - lbg
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