From: attikantroll
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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Looking through the classifieds the last couple of weeks I keep noticing people trying to sell used bows for more than they cost brand new, particularly cheap foreign bows.
Hey its a free country and you can list your bow for whatever price you like.... I just have to scratch my head and wonder that the rational is though.
anyone else notice this trend?
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From: PECO
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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I don't keep up on the classifieds here. But it can't be worse than what some people try to get for a beat up "rare 1953 collectible" Bear bow on the bay.
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From: Jeff Durnell
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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That's how it goes sometimes when things, pertinear anything, becomes 'collectible'... foreign stuff too.
On the other hand, sometimes people are unaware of what a 'proper' price is, or don't really want to sell it unless someone wants to overpay them, or maybe they're simply insane. As time goes by, I see and deal with more and more people who just 'ain't right'. In fact, they may be the majority... and apparently THEY have internet access too :^)
A "Pfff, good luck with THAT you crazy $@&!", is as far as I concern myself with them. Move on.
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From: barebo2
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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I fish and restore bamboo fly rods. Everyone that comes across one at a garage or estate sale thinks they have a "Gold Mine".
I've seen $50.00 rods advertised for $850.00!!!
Same with bows - those 1953 Bears are priceless even if they were made in the 70's or 80's!!!
Buyer Beware - only problem is that some folks buy on impulse and find out after it's too late that they got taken.
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From: Babbling Bob
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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"As the market bares" as the old saying goes.
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From: timex
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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of course it goes the other way as well I currently have a few bows I should sell but it's such a Pita dealing with tire kickers looking for an in brand new condition for 1/2 price of new used bow. not saying I couldn't put an extra few $$$ to good use just not worth the hastle
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From: 69 super kodiak
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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Are you saying they should be sold for the same price they went for in the 60's-and 70's. I wish I would buy them all!
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From: D31
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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If the seller is satisfied with the price he gets and the buyer is satisfied with the price he paid its a good deal for all in my book.
I have seen buyers get all upset when they find out the bow you just sold them for $200 that had an honest value of $300 was bought at a garage sale for $25 the week before.
What anybody paid for anything has no place in the conversation about what it's worth to the next guy, if you don't like the price make an offer or move on.
I have made some great deals buy simply telling the seller this is how much I am willing to pay you for this today , it may be worth more to somebody else , but this is what I will pay today. Good Day
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From: camodave
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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Asking price is seldom selling price.
DDave
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From: Tweed
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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I'm into cycling and enjoy cruising the craigslist for interesting bikes.
One day I came across a modern peugeot (this is a $300 bike brand mew and now of Walmart quality) the seller was asking $400. You could tell he was using the name brand (formerly one of the best) to sucker a college kid. I replied to the ad and asked if he knew how overpriced it was. He had every excuse in the book and it turned out it was someone I knew. Haven't trusted that guy since as far as buying or selling.
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From: Skeets
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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My Bear Grizzly cost me $35 in 1975.
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From: Roger Norris
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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The price is what the market will bear....
I know a guy who makes about $30K a year selling Hot Wheels cars. He buys them used or brand new, but his best profit is buying them brand new and re-selling them at a huge mark up. What he can buy for $1 in Michigan is somehow worth $10 online. Good for him. It's an honest living.
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From: HARRY CARRY
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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I normally have a couple bows I place on the selling table at a local shoot. RH bows I cannot use, but use to fund my LH habit.
I try to "price" any of my items fairly, and listen to any offers.
I may have an "XYZ" brand bow, of a certain model, specs and condition. And I'm asking $90 for it. Down the table, another person may have an almost exact version of my bow, same details, but is asking $150. And that person's bow sells faster than mine.
I was curious, so I asked a few people who were comparing both of our bows, and their reply was:
"His price was higher, so it meant the bow was better....."
Reasoning like that makes me shake my head.....
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From: Gcg2
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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I've noticed as well and it drives me nuts.. I've sold s-tips, widows, and Centaurs for half the price that they get listed for now. I'll be looking for a new to me bow soon but I can't justify paying full price for a used setup no matter if it's like new or not, but to each their own and there is someone out there willing to pay that price so that's my 2 cents, it's not worth nothing but it's free...
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From: Jim
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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2x what PECO said.
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From: Sipsey River
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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Shipping sometimes takes 2 months or more from China. Some would prefer to pay a few more dollars than wait. Back when OL Adcock first produced the ACX-CX people would pay very high amounts to get one. They thought it was the magic bow. For older bows, it might be compared to the old muscle cars. Look at what the GTOs and others sell for today compared to what they cost new. It is called the free market, supply and demand, mostly the demand.
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From: Kodiak
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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The market is never wrong.
It is what it is.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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Most of those high prices never get sold until they lower the price. Some guy had a $15.00 beat up old Pearson solid glass bow on Ebay for over a year before he finally pulled the ad. He was asking $548.00 for that rare piece. Fact is most bows sell for a logical price based on the market, and those big dollar bows just ride for awhile and go away. Either the seller pulls the ad or takes a lower price. If you want to see the real selling price, go to completed listings and look for green numbers without a line through it...not black or red numbers.
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From: 3arrows
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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How much is the warranty worth ?
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From: johnm856
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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I am glad this topic came up. I fall in the category of what Jeff Durnell called “unaware of proper pricing.” If there were a category of “very much unaware,” that would be more applicable to me.
I recently posted in the classifieds and have in the past as well.
I am always concerned at my pricing but try to base it on comparisons to other ads because I don’t want to short anyone or be shorted. I do not click on the box that states “price is firm” And I rely on people believing asking price is not selling price.
Not out to rip anyone off, just not an expert at values and trying to lighten the bow collection. Hopefully more like that out there than not.
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From: Ovilla Bill
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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"CamoDave" hit the nail on the head. Ask what you want, you can always come down.
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From: charlee
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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camodave got it right . And It does not matter how low the price is. Buyers always want to pay even less. I sold cars for years and I learned very quickly that trying to be straight forward with a customer and immediately giving them my absolute best price out the door was a guarantee that I never saw that person again.
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From: Dan In MI
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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I just laugh when I see bows and other things that have been priced due to their platinum plating.
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From: David McLendon
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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They are worth whatever somebody will pay for them just like anything else. If they want to pay the high price more power to them, maybe they just have to have it, but it's best to check around and educate yourself.
It's kinda like fishing, when you throw a line out you aren't thinking about the smallest fish in the pond.
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From: DCR48
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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Buy high sell low. Always worked for me.
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From: Dan W
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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"My Bear Grizzly cost me $35 in 1975."
LOL!
My last Bear Grizzly cost someone else even less in 1955! Cost me about $130 in 2014.
-Just about right in 2017 $, and a great bow for me!
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From: Backcountry
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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I know of a classified site where a guy is asking $200 for Bear '76er--a Frisky bow! What did those cost new, about 25 bucks? Or is that too high?
Another guy on same site was asking $350 for a "1953" Bear Super Mag. So it's not just on the Leatherwall...
And while we're on the general subject, I've noticed some of what I'd consider unequal swap 'n trade requests. Some of those trade seekers never post on the forum otherwise, that I've seen.
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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Hey people make things popular. I have friends that eat shitty food at restaurants because its the thing to do.. I swear if someone had a petrified turd and they said it was Fred Bears someone would buy it.
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From: Dan W
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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Baby, you just described the entire San Francisco Bay area food scene. (Not the Fred Bear Burger, but definitely the mentality! ;-)
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From: DanaC
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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If you don't study the market before buyting, who is that on?
Caveat emptor, let the buyer beware. As in 'be A-ware'.
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From: longbow1
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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It seems to me that it is what the market will bear, a person doing his/her research before hand and then not hurrying into anything before doing a thorough vetting of the item. Knowledge is power when buying something like trad bow too. Half the fun is looking around anyways when you're in the market. keepem sharp
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From: David McLendon
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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So what's the problem, are you bothered that somebody would price a bow high, or are you bothered that somebody will more than likely pay it? They can't bargain up, only down and everybody wants to feel like they got a deal, so anticipating some dikkering it pays to price high. You can always make a lower counter offer, and if they stick to their price then move on. This is not a new concept, pricing high and haggling goes all the way back to the first commodity and oldest profession, way before bows.
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From: Iwander
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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Sounds like a supply-and-demand situation.
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From: SteveBNY
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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Good thing any purchase is optional. ;^)
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From: GF
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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I do see a lot of used Sages and the like... a lot of them are asking more than they cost new and shipped by a reputable dealer.
But I’m pretty sure my Hunter is worth more than I paid for it.... almost 30 years ago. Although adjusting for inflation, it’d be close....
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From: Dan W
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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Pat - don't even go there, I saw one started out around $40-ish on Ebay, finally went for over $800 in about a week! I didn't even begin to have a chance. All I want now is another 1955, 64", 40#@28" Kodiak.
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From: Dan W
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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And I think it was a USED Grumley..
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From: shooter
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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A dollar in the 50's, 60's & 70's went much further than a dollar today. I have purchased vintage bows for as much as $100 that sold for $35 or $40 back in the 60's & I don't feel that I overpaid. For the average archer it's better to pay $100 for a perfectly sound vintage bow than $700 to $1,000 or more for a new bow that might cast an arrow 10-15 fps faster. For a top notch archer I can see where the difference in equipment can make a difference in performance but for the average shooter it won't.
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From: crookedstix
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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murph x 2...I can think of plenty of bows made between 1960 and 1965 that I'd happily pay more for than most of the modern ones I see. Like this 1964-ish Drake, f'rinstance...
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From: attikantroll
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Date: 08-Apr-19 |
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nah, I was talking about current production bows. The vintage ones are only going to become more expensive as time goes on.
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From: ground hunter
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Date: 09-Apr-19 |
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In the last few months I have seen some vintage old bows, blow up on their users,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, too many live in the past, a lot of the old bows on the classifieds are pure junk, compared to what I can get now
Unless really rare, I have a Bear Grizzly at home,,, its on my wall I just bought it for 50.00 and that is what its worth to me....
Its not the holy grail
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From: Roger Norris
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Date: 09-Apr-19 |
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This is one of those topics where collectors vs shooters vs hunters clash.
I'm with ground hunter....no "Holy Grail" bows for me.
I'll take a current production Black Widow/Northern Mist/Shrew over a "vintage" bow every time.
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From: Kent Alan
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Date: 09-Apr-19 |
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I see this all the time on the big auction site. While I agree with the concept of "What something is 'worth' is dictated by how much someone is willing to pay for it", I, too raise my eyebrow when I see something that is (what I consider to be) way overpriced. And then I sit there and laugh when it remains up for auction for (literally) a year or more
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From: gluetrap
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Date: 09-Apr-19 |
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I think of the old bows like old guns. you are going to have to spend some money to beat an old mossberg .22 same for an old bear in good shap.
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From: David McLendon
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Date: 09-Apr-19 |
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"As far as collectable bows, truly worth a lot of money, there are very few! Shawn"
That's a fact, most bow purchases are as a result of want and not need or any where near a smart investment.
You look for an investment to grow over a reasonable time, and buying old bows is not a smart path to that end.
If you want it and can afford it, then buy knowing that it is what it is right then, an old bow that could likely blow up in your hand and face on the next draw.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 09-Apr-19 |
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What you spend is dictated by how much you can afford to spend, along with how much you want an item...regardless of what that item is. I once paid about twice what an item was "worth" because it was just like one my dad carried...an old pocket knife.
As for old bows blowing up, new bows do that too...even customs. I've bought a whole lot of old bows over the years, I reckon over a hundred for sure. Only ever had one blow up, and that was in the 1980's and it was an early 70's Browning Explorer I. Folks tend to gravitate toward things of their generation, so it is what it is. I'll take all the old bows you want to send to me and I'll chance the possibility of them breaking. The last two I bought were 1966 and 1975 models and I have a total of $116.00 in both.
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From: Supernaut
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Date: 09-Apr-19 |
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One of the best things I've discovered since switching from compounds a little over a year ago is how affordable a "traditional" bow can be. Lot's of great options available in vintage or new bows without breaking the bank for me at least. Compare the cost of the bows we like to shoot to compounds or firearms and I'd say our wallets are pretty happy.
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From: gluetrap
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Date: 09-Apr-19 |
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I have own a bunch of old bears with no blow ups. had 3 delambs all new bows. sellers made it right.
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From: motherlode
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Date: 09-Apr-19 |
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I just keep the philology of "buy high and sell low" that way I am never bothered with my decisions.
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From: attikantroll
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Date: 09-Apr-19 |
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I just say the old bows will get more expensive because they are no longer being made, a limited number of them around and that number will become less and less as time goes on. has nothing to do with them being bad bows or 'grails' just no more supply
I think it is more relevant to bows still in production, particularly cheapies like ember galaxy bows and that sort of thing.
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From: Laserman
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Date: 09-Apr-19 |
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The seller can ask what he wants. If your not interested, move on. Don’t question him as to why he is asking that price. I can’t stand selling something and a guy chimes in “***** has it cheaper “. I don’t know why some of those sellers won’t sell me their 1970 Bronco at the price they sold for in 1970. Seems like they are trying to overcharge me.
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