There is NO SOLID proof that there is a "One WORLD ORDER" of how to shoot a Bow!
There is none, OK?
Yous see him, you see her, you see many examples and forms of archery all over the World, and there are many ways to achieve your goals based on how you shoot or what aiming methods or Form sets.
I see it, have been guilty of it, pushing a certain way to shoot a Bow because a "Coach said it" Or some famous archer said it, NOT!
Individuals shoot a Bow around their own body structure and ability to draw a certain weight or arrow length based on their individual make up.
"I aim this way and so should you" all hogwash yes.
Experiment with the basic principles of the archery shot in a sequence? Basically yes but adapt it to your personal goals.
Hey RC I'm already out looking and listening for Turks. Mayapples are popping out and some are up 6 inches or so.
I am caught up on risers and if I can find the PSE wood riser I have somewhere? I am gonna change the limb pocket angles and make an ILF riser for little ole me to play with.
"Empirical" literally is "what you make of seeing it".
I agree. No mater how unexplained, or out of the ordinary it may be, it most definitely is a "truth" when you see it is a consistently repeatable process with your own eyes.
Everybody has unique experiences. The problem is that too many try to generalize from their particular experiences. ("I once saw an elephant stand on it's hind legs, so elephants must do that all the time.")
"it most definitely is a "truth" when you see it is a consistently repeatable process"
And there's the rub - people generalize from one-off experiences, versus repeated observation. There's a huge difference between a shooter making a 'lucky' 'snap' shot and a guy who truly masters shooting that way. Many have done the former, not so many can do the latter.
Maybe the question isn't 'what is best' but 'what is easiest for *most* people to learn?'
To have an opinion based on empirical evidence someone should be able to shoot all the types of bow using all the shooting sequences. My opinion after shooting yumi, longbow recurve and compound is that you can't shoot an arrow accurately without respecting 3 things:
1. Correct handling the bow
2. Arrow is on a path toward the point you want to hit at full draw
3. Archer is not interfering with the arrow after release
How you achieve these is not important. Without them you don't hit. The rest are details that make each style and bow type "different".
I PMed this to you, but I wanted it to be public record. I made a couple of amendments to the original PM, but saw them as pertinent.
I thought about this for a little while, and decided to say the following:
I truly regret you feel the way you do about me, or anyone else who does for that matter.
But, I am who I am, and at this stage of my life who, and what I am isn't likely to change any.
I know I can be an "arrogant ass", and a "showoff" at times, BUT I actually love to see others show off (Really). I just love watching folks shoot. I love seeing their delight in it, and I really REALLY love it when I see folks making improvements.
I can say the following without any reservation:
I have always been more than willing to be a friend, or friendly to those who wanted the same.
I have always tried my best to be respectful even when in disagreement.
With exception to a few times (very few, and I've been here since the start), I have always tried to be positive, keep the place running smoothly, help folks when the opportunity arises, and in general try my best to make it a fun/enjoyable place for folks to hang out, and share their passion for stickbow archery & bowhunting with others.
Even when under personal attack, I (usually) only retaliate when those attacks are repeated, and often. When repeated, and often, then no holds barred.
There's only one person on this site who I will come down on, and only then when he takes the first swing. Even he I let off the hook for a long time, but once it became apparent he wasn't going to let up I then jumped on with both feet.
Second time was in 2017. You won it, and I'm pretty sure I was happy for, and congratulated you.
Yes, I shot two different bows, but don't think (don't remember) shooting at a different distance than the challenge called for.
I shot the two different bows for one reason, and one reason only, and that was because I had been shooting the longbow for only a short period of time, liked how it shot, and wanted to show it off for the bowyer. OK, so I was showing something off. I did not feel like it was going to be any disadvantage for me though.
You beat me fair & square. Be happy with it.
Now - I replied to your "nasty" PM to me, and you still have a few more minutes before I post it public here. Man up. Your Ball.
Now you have stepped in in it. I don't know any better folks, that are more willing to help others, at no cost than Rick and Jimmy. I have learned a lot from both. I don't see much to learn from you. Unless it is abuse and name calling. Sleep well. >>>>------> Ken
I've also heard the old saying of "Forgive, but don't forget."
In my mind there's nothing to forgive here. Best to let it go, but I like a challenge. 8^).
Like I said, I won't lose any sleep over any of it.
Only reason I'm not sawing logs right now is, I am waiting for my two youngest daughters to get home from a long drive from Dallas. If not for that I'd be dreaming about my grandkids, bowhunting, or fishing.
Might even be dreaming about bowhunting with two different bows handy to use. 8^)
Ohh, I feel the need to respond to the "paid coaching" comment.
I don't have anything against it, and think it's a great thing to do "if" you so desire, but I've never paid for any coaching.
I just had a couple of good friends teach me some things. Both champion archers who knew what they were doing, knew how to convey what they were doing, and didn't mind strutting their stuff for me, then explaining it.
Much of the ropes I learned from those two. The rest of it I gleaned from reading what others had to say, AND watching others "show off" their shooting. A "whole lot" of it right here on the Leatherwall.
Damn glad I did, and didn't get a bad attitude toward them about it.
I'm still learning. I listen, read, and watch. Pick up & learn of it what I'm capable of, and ENJOY every darn second of it.
With the growth in the internet archery experts catagory, it has spawned an enhanced desire to define what shooting style is right and wrong for all of us. The reality is.... Nothing is new, some of us have been shooting stickbows long enough to have seen many good archers, each with there own technique developed to fit their physical attributes and shooting desires. Hopefully the internet experts will decline, much like the stickbow did beginning around 1970.
Having my second cup of coffee, and almost finished with my first tab of the day.
Kinda POed at my daughters though. After telling me they were gonna get a motel room & drive in this morning, they went ahead & drove in last night while I was sawing logs. Happy they're home.
read have to have bone on bone contact to shoot right. soo, tried it just the way they described for 5 or 6 shots...bow arm and shoulder pain for days and shot lousy :(
In an attempted break the judgemental cycle, THAT IS the reason for this thread.
Well, I'm a bad boy, you are bad, he is right, you are wrong,, all that cow pie stuff.
I was born an instinctive shooter, OK, so live the pipedream, go camping, go shoot, go to Walmart and buy some cheap china crocs, who cares.
I heard they stopped making crocs and am freaking a dab.
I shoot a 14 step shot, I have all day, I am in no hurry, OR, I shoot the Tarbaby method or I shoot at refried beans on Cinco de Mayo, who cares?
OK I'm a Coach and a 5 degree black belt, You are wronggggggggg!
You must go to China and eat dog street food too, sneak and hide, spend a night on the Wall of China to become enlightened to my method sort of thing.
I make my own stuff, I killed a deer with it, THAT is what I am looking at, NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTT how he shoots, NOT what Coach or method he used but HE DID IT!
Now, are we all on the same Train to Archery Nirvana? got it, get it?
OK now, this is cool, I do not care if he is gay or if he works as a forklift driver at Tysons, this is cool, he beats us all up some. OK, now look at that terrible shooting form and like a monkey, in a tree, he climbs up and makes meat with HIS STUFF MAN!
You must be left eye dominant. One of the all time great myths surrounding instinctive shooting, almost as interesting as shooting a candle in the dark with no idea of perceived distance.... as if, the candle distance has no relevence to the instinctive shooter, or, somehow arrows defy gravity in the darkness.
We need some discussion on these two concepts when shooting so called..... " Instinctively "... with both eyes wide open focusing on an intended small target "spot".
The first animal bigger than a rabbit that I killed with a bow when I was a teenager, was a kangaroo. It was winter time and there was hardly any twilight- the sun went down and it got dark real quick. It got dark and I still had a long way to go. By looking straight ahead I could make out the paler sheep track I was walking on at my feet. If I looked down I couldn't see anything. Heard a noise and could make out the silhouette of a kangaroos head above the ridgeline against the western sky at what I reckoned was about thirty yards. I couldn't see my bow or my arrow but I managed to nail the roo through the middle of the chest. I reckon that is about as instinctive as anything I've ever shot. I still sometimes reckon that the surest way for me to bugger up a shot is to overthink it:) JayInOz
Ishi shot using a very well defined (and complicated) system than the Average Joe intuitively will use while shooting the type of bow Ishi was shooting.
Sarge- you forget that when Ishi was found he was starving and had snuck into a meat locker to get some beef. Maybe if he had a coach he would have never gotten that hungry.
