From: Sarge
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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If you could design a new broadhead and have it made, how would you describe it?
What grade of steel would it be?
Carbon or stainless? Example, would your ideal stainless broadhead be 440C?
Would it be a solid MIM casting or would it be a swaged fold over design with High flow solder?
Would it be a screw in or use an insert?
What would you prefer, a 3-1 or an Eskimo or Delta, Ace type design borrowing from the basic dimensions?
One more question; How could you maintain quality and still sell them at an economical price and do you believe that Broadhead manufacturing costs are driving the price up with inflation or do you just think they are overpriced?
Profit margin vs. actual cost of manufacture etc.
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From: DanaC
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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I'd be happy if they brought back the Razorback 5 and I could buy a lifetime supply ;-)
(No I do not worship at the Church of Ashby.)
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From: sir misalots
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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Id like to start up two .
Bear razorhead
Snuffer
I think you could make a lot of people happy
It may be hard to get in the black though. Unless you already had the set up, tooling etc. You would never make a profit in todays mechanical/crossbow , big antlered world.
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From: PIRA Dad
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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snuffers all the way. IMO they are/were the best. Easy to sharpen, and tough. I killed several deer with the same broadhead before I retired it to an antler mount!
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From: JayInOz
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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I wish we could still buy the Aussie Black Stump broad heads in hundred grain. Solid, two blade, double thickness tip, just the right hardness- a few seconds to get them shaving sharp. And cheap as chips. Glue on or adaptor. I find something I think is as good as anyone could want and then they discontinue production. I don't understand- but I never did claim to be very bright:) JayInOz
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From: Curtis Schaffhauser
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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Pearson Deadhead. I just liked those for some reason!
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From: Tom McCool
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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Mine might be a "TOMWICKY" two blade.
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From: aromakr
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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People seem to think there is money to be made making broadheads, not so. Unless you have the equipment and means to manufacture them yourself, you have to farm them out to those who do. My friend Gene Wensel once told me he made $2/6 pack and was required to buy all the seconds, which there were many. Another thought, your idea of the best design is not necessarily what the consumer finds the best.
Bob
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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I can't think of anything better than what is or was already made. If I can't find any Bear Razorheads, I'll buy some Ace Standard. Nothing really any better in two blade design in my opinion.
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From: raghorn
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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With close to 5000 known broadheads it would be difficult to come up with a new design.
The most cost efficient head to manufacture is a skeleton ferrule like these:
Ben Pearson Rib Tek Elburg These use a one step die cut/punch, this eliminates any type of assembly. Only remaining steps are edge grind and heat treat.
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From: BATMAN
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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Hi TEAM, Sure would NICE to see the photos of the heads that Y'ALL really like? BLESSED BE!
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From: NY Yankee
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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I've never thought about it. The perfect heads have already been made. Some of them just need to be brought back into production. A Rothar Snuffer, but in 145 grain, would be the cat's nuts for me. Love the Ace Standards right now though. If I were to design a new head, probably would be like a Standard with a Fred Bear auxiliary blade so it would be easier to hand file the main blade. I know nothing about the mfg process.
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From: ground hunter
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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Riverwolf,,, Ijust bought a pack of blues, new in the package for ten bucks at a gun show
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From: JRW
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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"My friend Gene Wensel once told me he made $2/6 pack and was required to buy all the seconds..."
Not surprised at all. Worse yet, had the manufacturing quality been better, there wouldn't have been so many seconds to buy.
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From: Sawtooth (Original)
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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Magnus has always been a favorite. The tip is prone to curling however. Most of the time when I hit the offside shoulder my head will bend to a degree.
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From: Longcruise
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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I think it would be a high quality True 3/1 or even a 3.5/1 "trade point" for tie on application. One piece of metal that would weigh about 250 to 300. Single bevel.
Not made of saw blades or other re purposed metal but some quality known carbon steel.
It wouldn't be a revolutionary design, but just this type of head made to exacting specs.
Who would want such a thing? Hardley anybody. :^] It would be a huge commercial loser so if it happens, get em while you can.
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From: Sarge
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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Many great and wonderful experiences and great pictures!
Cost wise, It is my belief that a person could manage to make six broadheads last a long time.
I think Rib tec has the last bargain broadhead but do not even remember what they cost?
On Elk and up am thinking a 3-1 grizzly type head.
I prefer carbon at least, in my idea of great would not be too hard but around 54 rockwell.
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From: grizz
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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There is nothing new under the sun.
Riverwolf x2
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From: Flash
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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I really like the one piece glue in with a center pin but the one made currently are to expensive for me.
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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I agree with George. A hole is a hole. Sometimes we tend to over think things
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From: David McLendon
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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I have an adequate supply of 160 Snuffers, but I think that eventually you'll see somebody pick it up and bring it back.
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From: Sarge
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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Hey, Grizz they say that "The Sun never goes down on a Zwickey" because they are stuck in trees all over the World and timezones.
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From: Bearfootin
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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I had in mind what I thought was the “near” perfect Broadhead. I even made a prototype using various parts and adding some I made myself. Looked pretty good and flew great. Stuck it in my knife building parts cabinet and there it sat for 8 yrs till I was looking at a bow hunting web-site and there it was “almost” to a tee. LOL
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From: Flash
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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What is it?
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From: Sarge
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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I think is about time somebody changed the 8-32 threads to at least a 3/16's or 1/4 thread size. Even a 10x32 would be stronger.
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From: D.Lewis aka tonto59
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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Here you go Batman. Pearson Dead heads. Big ones and little ones. Plenty of proven heads out there already. I will stick with what's been working for a long time.
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From: D.Lewis aka tonto59
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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Here is a Snuffer that gave me a good short blood trail. The only down side. You have to clean All the meat and organs out of the vent holes. Two blades clean up easier. But I was very happy with the way this three blade worked.
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From: JayInOz
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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For Sawtooth- these are the Black Stump heads available today. My favourite little hundred grainers are no longer available, but they're still great heads. http://www.blackstumpbroadheads.com.au/catalogue.htm
JayInOz
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From: larryhatfield
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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I'm still shooting 1958 Ace heads mounted on forgewoods from 1955. Don't understand how or why anyone would need to buy more than 3 dozen or so in a lifetime. Lots of my arrows have more than 2 dozen animals dead over the years. I have an anvil and tools and never have had to much more than light peening on any Ace head. If I run out before I'm done hunting, I'll join the Ashbey crowd and shoot what this guy is shooting.
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From: RJH1
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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At this moment i would invent a zwicky eskimp/eskilite type head. They would be identical to those heads except they would come out of the package at least fairly sharp, and not so dull they have a hard time cutting warm butter. I shot a hog with one after i had sharpened it the other day and after being buried in the hogs spine it would still shave. Great once you get them sharp, just takes a while to get them there. I don't think that should drive the cost of the heads up too much haha
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From: Bucbuster
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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Bring back Razorcaps. VPA 3 blade...make em in stainless steel and razor sharp out of the package in 175 gr
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From: Sarge
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Date: 03-Apr-19 |
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Hey, Larry is that the time you took the "Rainman" hunting?lol
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From: JayInOz
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Date: 04-Apr-19 |
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Larry I have an original forgewood shaft given to me by Dr. Ed (Ashby) when I took him bowhunting goats here about twenty years ago. Nice arrow! JayInOz
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From: MBS
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Date: 04-Apr-19 |
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STOS
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From: DCR48
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Date: 06-Apr-19 |
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I dont think you can come up with a totally unique fixed blade broadhead. Years ago a friend and I startedmaking broadheads at work. I slaved over my design for a long time till I was satified. Turns out I pretty much cloned a Ben Pearson Deadhead. We made some other styles but I don't think they were unique. Did shoot a bunch of deer and hogs with them and they all worked well.
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From: deerhunt51
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Date: 07-Apr-19 |
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I like the STOS broadhead, I heard they are no longer made.
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From: Flash
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Date: 07-Apr-19 |
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Of the old school brodheads that I've used, Ace are as good or better than any.
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From: larryhatfield
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Date: 07-Apr-19 |
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The factory sent me some of the Sirocco's when they first came out. Not a bad head, but nothing that made me want to switch from Ace. This is an example of the BS connected with marketing heads--- INFLICTOR 100 GRAIN 1-1/4" CUTTING DIAMETER BROADHEADS NEW. 15 TOTAL BROADHEADS. SUPERIOR KNOCKDOWN POWER WHEN PROPERLY PLACED IN GAME. Made from 100% STEEL.
Knockdown power? What a joke! Don't even know what a broadhead does!
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From: Turkeyman
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Date: 07-Apr-19 |
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Love the Bear Razorheads and the Pearson Deadheads.
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From: Eriebuck
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Date: 07-Apr-19 |
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If you are interested in hardness of broad heads I tested a bunch for an article Bill McCrary did for Archery World Magazine back in the early 1980's if you can dredge it up. As I recall Bear Razorheads were about 42Rc and Zwickeys about 48Rc which have always been two of my favorite broad heads. Typically 50 Rc is about as hard as can be sharpened with a file and may also be near the upper limit for a plain carbon head to have enough toughness to withstand impact with bone etc. Seems to me any of the heads such as Ace and Zwickey that are still around after 70 or 80 years are still here for a reason
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