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First 3D tips,advice

Messages posted to thread:
singlestring 15-Mar-19
M60gunner 15-Mar-19
fdp 15-Mar-19
Sipsey River 15-Mar-19
HARRY CARRY 15-Mar-19
Woods Walker 16-Mar-19
Bentstick54 16-Mar-19
George D. Stout 16-Mar-19
hawkeye in PA 16-Mar-19
bldtrailer 16-Mar-19
Herbie 16-Mar-19
Babbling Bob 16-Mar-19
Therifleman 16-Mar-19
Draven 16-Mar-19
JCooper on a tablet 16-Mar-19
jdbbowhunter 16-Mar-19
The Whittler 16-Mar-19
monkeyball 16-Mar-19
jk 16-Mar-19
DanaC 16-Mar-19
raghorn 16-Mar-19
rbatect 16-Mar-19
Jon Stewart 16-Mar-19
jk 16-Mar-19
monkeyball 16-Mar-19
Draven 16-Mar-19
Suedog 16-Mar-19
THarris 16-Mar-19
BigStriper 16-Mar-19
jk 16-Mar-19
Babbling Bob 16-Mar-19
DanaC 16-Mar-19
3Ditional 16-Mar-19
ron w 16-Mar-19
Little Billy 16-Mar-19
Draven 16-Mar-19
BigStriper 16-Mar-19
Little Billy 16-Mar-19
monkeyball 16-Mar-19
jk 16-Mar-19
Jon Stewart 16-Mar-19
Draven 16-Mar-19
jk 16-Mar-19
Draven 16-Mar-19
Draven 16-Mar-19
singlestring 16-Mar-19
SB 17-Mar-19
Darkhawk 17-Mar-19
THarris 17-Mar-19
PeteA 17-Mar-19
PeteA 17-Mar-19
PeteA 17-Mar-19
George Tsoukalas 17-Mar-19
B.T. 17-Mar-19
jk 17-Mar-19
SB 18-Mar-19
Grumpy Jim 18-Mar-19
Spookinelk 18-Mar-19
Grumpy Jim 18-Mar-19
DanaC 18-Mar-19
Draven 18-Mar-19
monkeyball 18-Mar-19
Curlis 19-Mar-19
Demmer 26-Mar-19
DJ 26-Mar-19
From: singlestring
Date: 15-Mar-19




I’m going down to the Tennessee Classic this year to try my hand on a 3D course. Shooting in my backyard is all I’ve done so managing a course is something new to me. I’ve read through the rules and classes so that’s covered and was wondering if there is anything else,tips,advice you can give. Thanks!

From: M60gunner
Date: 15-Mar-19




If I was going byself I would get there early and try and hookup with some others. Usually Trad folks are friendly and will welcome you into their group. Let them lead til you get the feel. You might want to practice out to 30 yards.

From: fdp
Date: 15-Mar-19




Relax and have fun. Don't put unwarranted pressure on yourself because you're shooting on a formal course.

From: Sipsey River
Date: 15-Mar-19




You might think about setting a scoring goal for yourself. An example might be to reach a score that is 70% of the possible (if a perfect score could be 300, try to score 210). Or maybe set a goal of no missed targets, or only 10 fives, something like that. But whatever goal you set, have fun.

From: HARRY CARRY
Date: 15-Mar-19




Take a couple of extra arrows! (Maybe a few "lesser good" arrows. If there's a "non competitive" course, try that first. Look at other folks' bow and ask about them, 'cause people like talking about their bows. Which leads to talking, in general, which leads to building friendships, confidence, and the want to try 3D again.

But, in all honesty, "fdp" said it best....

From: Woods Walker
Date: 16-Mar-19




fdp X3. I live on 5 acres so I can shoot outside whenever I like. I still like going to a 3D shoot occasionally because it's something different.

From: Bentstick54
Date: 16-Mar-19




Wonderful place to start your 3D experience. Wonderful, friendly, helpful people. They have a great set up with a competitive course, and a practice course. If you register for fthe competitive course you can shoot the practice course as much as you like. Just tie in with somebody and have fun. Just get there early because it will bring lots of people. The year I went the practice range was as much fun as the competitive side. Also the place to pick up any gear you might need with lots of great vendors to here.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 16-Mar-19




It needs to be fun, so don't make it not fun. Just relax and watch the guys who are shooting well. Most will help you if you have struggles and nearly everyone is supportive. Also try to find the smallest mark you can see on a target to aim at...even someone else's arrow in the target.

From: hawkeye in PA
Date: 16-Mar-19




In my opinion bright cresting/wraps and feathers make it a whole lot easier to find a arrow that missed, usually.

Most of all enjoy!

From: bldtrailer
Date: 16-Mar-19

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Have Fun

From: Herbie
Date: 16-Mar-19




Look for the bus...those guys can cook!

From: Babbling Bob Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 16-Mar-19




First thing to do is to enjoy it. After that, go shoot another one.

From: Therifleman
Date: 16-Mar-19




If you find yourself struggling at the set distances, consider marking your card void and move in closer--- check first to see if this is allowed. Your goal is to have fun--- missing and losing arrows can get in the way of that.

You'll get a chance to shoot w some nice people and learn much at this shoot.

From: Draven
Date: 16-Mar-19




Bring with you fun, water and mosquito repellent. Relax and enjoy the experience by ignoring the score you think you should make. One single real advise: knowing where the rings are on the targets is must - good eyes or binoculars will do.

From: JCooper on a tablet
Date: 16-Mar-19




Frank gave you the best advice! Have fun don't worry about your score. Just have fun,

From: jdbbowhunter
Date: 16-Mar-19




Don't overthink it. just go and have fun! Im sure youll meet some good people. It can become addictive.

From: The Whittler
Date: 16-Mar-19




You can make it competitive like some do or like most just have fun. It's a good time to be with old friends and new acquaintances. Some will say it's the most fun you can have with your clothes on :-). Just go and enjoy yourself and remember everyone started just like you.

From: monkeyball
Date: 16-Mar-19

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First....have a great time! Enjoy the company, the targets, the food, the atmosphere.

Second, be ready to make some shots that will take you out of your comfort zone (maybe), as all clubs are different, and some are a walk thru the park (boring) and others will demand your best concentration!

Have a blast and let us know how it went. Good Shooting->->->->Craig

From: jk
Date: 16-Mar-19




Losing good arrows is part of the game. Enjoy that, never shoot crap arrows assuming you'll miss.

From: DanaC
Date: 16-Mar-19




Losing arrows happens, but a well set-up course minimizes that.

As for that deer with no back-drop, I'd take a zero on the card and read the set-up crew the riot act when I got in. That is unsafe bullsh*. "Always be sure of your background" is shooting safety 101.

From: raghorn
Date: 16-Mar-19




Great point DanaC............I agree

From: rbatect
Date: 16-Mar-19




Get a 3D target to practice on at home. Shooting a 3D target is different than shooting a paper target. If you can't get a 3D target , get a gunny sack and spray paint a pig on it and shoot that on a hay bale, dont put a target (bullseye) on it.

When I first started shooting 3D I had a hard time focusing on the the spot, that is the vitals. After shooting many 3Ds now I have much better results and rarely miss the animal and sometimes in the 10 ring. But its taken a lot of practice focusing on the invisible spot.

As mentioned , you want bright feathers, I think bright yellow feathers are the best.

I ve been to Pappy's place and its a great site for archery. The set up is mostly in wooded areas and there aren't a lot of backdrops, if you miss you have a very good change of loosing an arrow, but that is just part of the game. Get or make a arrow rake.

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 16-Mar-19




Look for the white school bus. watch out, half of those guys are crazy and the other half are nuts, lol

You will have a great time for sure.

From: jk
Date: 16-Mar-19




Some 3Ds are physically tough...most around here are. That's one of the reasons I enjoy them. Another big joy is tough shots...brush, steeply uphill/downhill, difficult footing. I don't understand why anybody shoots 3Ds with known distances.

From: monkeyball
Date: 16-Mar-19

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This one probably wouldn't pass for some of you guys either.....

Good Shooting->->->->Craig

From: Draven
Date: 16-Mar-19




"I don't understand why anybody shoots 3Ds with known distances."

This is an interesting debate that can go 1000s posts until someone is on the trail and his target is a turkey hen at 25 yards. Very few hit the 10 or X.

From: Suedog
Date: 16-Mar-19

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Don’t get hung up on misses.

From: THarris
Date: 16-Mar-19




DON'T GO TO THE TWIN OAKS CLASSIC!!! You'll be hooked forever, LOL.

Kidding of course. You'd be hard pressed to start at a better place to meet some of the finest folks out there.

Terry Harris

From: BigStriper
Date: 16-Mar-19




Like all that has been said,you"ll have a great time and no better place or people. This will be my 8th Classic since I started going in 2012,and went to the IBO there in 2011. By the way don't forget to bring a couple extra arrows that shoot good but maybe don't look so good in case you try your Luck at the STEEL Fox for Bonus points.LOL. Maybe see you there.

Kurt

From: jk
Date: 16-Mar-19




""I don't understand why anybody shoots 3Ds with known distances." "This is an interesting debate that can go 1000s posts until someone is on the trail and his target is a turkey hen at 25 yards. Very few hit the 10 or X."

Very few hit the 10 or x at any distance. That's the nature of 3d (and of course hunting). Most people aren't fabulous shots, which is great for the few.

Shoots that allow rangefinders (or binoculars that serve that purpose) are bad ideas for trad 3d.

From: Babbling Bob Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 16-Mar-19




At large events or those in the summer when it is hot in the woods, a good belt mounted canvas water bottle holder is a good thing to have.

From: DanaC
Date: 16-Mar-19




Unmarked distances adds one more factor to the challenge. Known distances removes that portion. But knowing the distance you still have to execute the shot. Top shooters can do that.

In setting up a challenging course, you try throw off a shooter's ability to determine yardage.

(Even the best compound shooters work hard at ranging. A three yard mis-judgement can be the difference between the 11 and the 10, or even the 8.)

From: 3Ditional
Date: 16-Mar-19




Should you miss a target, don't take too long looking for your arrow. Look for it at the end of the shoot so as not to hold back the following group/groups.

Have fun and best of luck.

From: ron w
Date: 16-Mar-19




Just enjoy yourself........

From: Little Billy
Date: 16-Mar-19




Laugh a lot.

Look down the arrow at the realy close ones, Like 2-3 yards.

Tilt the bow to avoid branches and stuff.

Consider the arc of your arrow and branches.

Did I say branches?

Have a good time!

From: Draven
Date: 16-Mar-19




"Very few hit the 10 or x at any distance. That's the nature of 3d (and of course hunting). Most people aren't fabulous shots, which is great for the few.

Shoots that allow rangefinders (or binoculars that serve that purpose) are bad ideas for trad 3d."

On marked courses you don't need rangefinders - the distance is marked at the stake.

To miss is not the true nature of 3D. When you don't know how the bear is perceived between 5 and 30 yards, the 3D archery is a "flip a coin" kind of thing. The more "unknown" targets the less chances to hit them are. Programming your brain to understand distance based on target size is way quicker than programming yourself to shoot using your "muscle memory".

From: BigStriper
Date: 16-Mar-19




No known distances at this shoot,this shoot is set at hunting distances and hunting settings. One of the Best Shoots you will ever go to. And you can learn how to make a Selfbow at this shoot.

Kurt

From: Little Billy
Date: 16-Mar-19




Traditional Shoots are even Moore friendly than normal ones,if that's even posible.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

From: monkeyball
Date: 16-Mar-19

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Dana and Rag, That one is well thought out. The shoot is on a huge Boy Scout owned facility. That shot has nothing but a huge drop behind it which is roped off and posted prior to the shoot.

The guy that walks up to it and thinks, "What if I miss"? Well.....he probably just did.

Do you guys get around to a lot of 3-D shoots? This one has potential to play with your head also and at a very popular shoot, Ski Sawmill, here in PA.

Good Shooting->->->->Craig

From: jk
Date: 16-Mar-19




" When you don't know how the bear is perceived between 5 and 30 yards, the 3D archery is a "flip a coin" kind of thing."

Internalizing that is a big part of 3d (not muscle memory)...learning what a relatively well known ethabeast looks like at various unknown distances in order to shoot accurately without quantifying distances.

Everybody's got his own way of doing things, but I've never heard a top 3d shooter calling out accurate distance. When they do, they're wrong.

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 16-Mar-19




As far as 3 d shoots go. Read the rules and if the yardages are marked and you don't like them then don't go. I guess I don't get the complaint.

From: Draven
Date: 16-Mar-19




"Everybody's got his own way of doing things, but I've never heard a top 3d shooter calling out accurate distance. When they do, they're wrong."

You don't have to call out distances, you need to know your setup to compensate for our own inabilities. I doubt the good ones are missing the distance call with more than 3 yards.

From: jk
Date: 16-Mar-19




" I doubt the good ones are missing the distance call with more than 3 yards."

Distances are often less significant than angle (uphill, downhill etc).

From: Draven
Date: 16-Mar-19




JK, I remember a rule of thumb the natives had: if you raise your arm in front of the eye and your “thumb’s up” doesn’t cover the grizlly, you are too close. It applyes to any type of terrain. We don’t think on xoy references, we “feel” them. You can’t “feel” something if you know what that “feel” means if you want to be a better shot. In Field Archery they teach you how to improve your chances. The knowledge is transferable to 3D

Read this

https://assets.sportstg.com/assets/console/document/documents/1215%20under standing%20fita%20field%20archery%20booklet.pdf

From: Draven
Date: 16-Mar-19




JK, I remember a rule of thumb the natives had: if you raise your arm in front of the eye and your “thumb’s up” doesn’t cover the grizlly, you are too close. It applyes to any type of terrain. We don’t think on xoy references, we “feel” them. You can’t “feel” something if you don’t know what that “feel” means. In Field Archery they teach you how to improve your chances. The knowledge is transferable to 3D Read this

https://assets.sportstg.com/assets/console/document/documents/1215%20under standing%20fita%20field%20archery%20booklet.pdf

From: singlestring
Date: 16-Mar-19




Thank you for all of the responses. I’ll keep those in mind and hope to see some of you there!

From: SB
Date: 17-Mar-19




I always shot for kill shots depending on the angle. Never paid much attention to the "scoring" rings. Which in some cases aren't even a good kill shot!

From: Darkhawk
Date: 17-Mar-19




My nieces are going to Chamberlain with me this year . Its going to be their first big 3 D shoot. I plan to redo their arrows in bright fluorescent colors and maybe even add a GPS tracker to each arrow.Oh and mine too.

From: THarris
Date: 17-Mar-19

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When I set up the course at the Howard Hill Classic, no know target distances. I try and set up challenging yet fun shots and really try and make them as close to a hunting shot as possible. You might look from the shooting stake and it may look as though the kill ares are somewhat obstructed, then you might have to lean or even stop a little, but the kill zone is never covered up.

I, for one, don't like trash shots, some do, my range does not. I also try to look at a right and left handed shooters prospective and also try and look around the shooting stake so one doesn't hit their bow.

Just my two cents worth

From: PeteA
Date: 17-Mar-19




Check out 3D Archery On You Tube. Greg Richards site. He does some great reviews on 3D Courses up and down the north east. You will get a great feel for what its all about. Here a video he did of our Trad Only Shoot course at Cos Cob Archers in CT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCQt6crZ3xY&t=2116s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qI2a_ApNkc

And most of all HAVE FUN!

From: PeteA
Date: 17-Mar-19




From: PeteA
Date: 17-Mar-19




From: George Tsoukalas
Date: 17-Mar-19




Just relax and enjoy the experience. If you have to search for an arrow prop your bow up against the target's vitals to warn other shooters. Jawge

From: B.T.
Date: 17-Mar-19




It’s a traditional shoot not a competition. You’ll see young and old, good shots and bad shots, fancy bows and plain bows, all kinds of hats, quivers, outfits and shooting styles..???? It’s all about a common bond to an unusual sport that we love. The sport of Kings.

From: jk
Date: 17-Mar-19




Back to George T's point....don't search for an arrow unless someone is guarding the target...leaning a bow against it and trusting that is very dangerous.

From: SB
Date: 18-Mar-19




Case in point ..I shot at one target , a 3-d deer in some shadows, and hit it right where I was looking...but heard a clank! WTF? So the other guys held up and we walked to the target. There was a camoed compound leaned up against the target and a guy behind it crawling around on his hands and knees looking for an arrow. No one in the group had seen him before I shot. My arrow was right up against the edge of his top limb! Don't DO THAT if you are shooting alone! If somebody is looking for an arrow ,there better be someone else standing in front of the target

From: Grumpy Jim
Date: 18-Mar-19




If you miss a target, blow it off and move on. The only target that matters is the one you're getting ready to shoot. It's fun and the fate of the worlddoesn't rest on your final score.

From: Spookinelk
Date: 18-Mar-19




Grumpy and others , My self esteem rests on the final score.... and all the targets affect the final score........this ain't pee-wee Soccer.....LOL

From: Grumpy Jim
Date: 18-Mar-19




No comment.

From: DanaC
Date: 18-Mar-19




SB, you just made the case for carrying and using binoculars!

And yes, compound shooters miss too. Really! I've never seen it but I hear things...

I like scores and competition myself, as a way to judge my own progress. Am I shooting as well as I used to? Better? How well do I shoot compared to the best in the field? (Miles to go...)

It helps to have goals - plural. Short term, intermediate and long term. My short term goal is always to hit all 30 targets. My intermediate goal is it increase my average. Long term, to compete and do well at larger events. And always to find something to laugh about, even if it's my own worse shot ;-)

last year I got squadded with three compounders, and one of them needed an allen wrench. Guess who was carrying one? Yeah, there might have been a few chuckles.

From: Draven
Date: 18-Mar-19




"And yes, compound shooters miss too. Really! I've never seen it but I hear things..."

I've seen it when shooting 3D indoor competitions quite often. The reason most of the time is wrong pin for wrong distance.

From: monkeyball
Date: 18-Mar-19




What is really wild is when you are shooting with them at the same stake, you kill and they miss! Duck quick.........

Good Shooting->->->->Craig

From: Curlis
Date: 19-Mar-19




Shoot with a group of new guys and just enjoy the experience.

From: Demmer
Date: 26-Mar-19




Have fun. Find some great shooters. Talk to them, and learn from them.

From: DJ
Date: 26-Mar-19




I love to see and hear people going to their first 3D shoot! Remember if you have arrows at the end of the day it's a bonus! Do Not set expectations on what your score should be. I'd at least wait until your second shoot for that. If you're the competitive type try just to compete with your previous score or your average or number of zeros or number of lost/broken arrows. remember, you can't get any better if you don't miss and or lose some arrows. ENJOY!!





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