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Warf Risers part one

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Sarge 13-Mar-19
Sarge 13-Mar-19
Sarge 13-Mar-19
rock74 13-Mar-19
Little Billy 13-Mar-19
Jim Keller 13-Mar-19
Little Billy 13-Mar-19
SB 13-Mar-19
reddogge 13-Mar-19
Sarge 14-Mar-19
SB 14-Mar-19
SB 14-Mar-19
Todd the archer 14-Mar-19
Sarge 14-Mar-19
Todd the archer 14-Mar-19
SB 14-Mar-19
Todd the archer 15-Mar-19
Sarge 15-Mar-19
Todd the archer 15-Mar-19
JFH 15-Mar-19
Sarge 15-Mar-19
Mission man 15-Mar-19
SB 15-Mar-19
Sarge 15-Mar-19
SB 15-Mar-19
Todd the archer 15-Mar-19
SB 15-Mar-19
Sarge 15-Mar-19
SB 16-Mar-19
Draven 16-Mar-19
Draven 16-Mar-19
DaleHajas 16-Mar-19
Sarge 16-Mar-19
Draven 16-Mar-19
Dwrightkm 16-Mar-19
From: Sarge
Date: 13-Mar-19




Warf riser specs and other discussions about the conversion of a BB and a Proline. There will be a part two.

From: Sarge
Date: 13-Mar-19




Try again.

From: Sarge
Date: 13-Mar-19




Trouble for some reason.

From: rock74
Date: 13-Mar-19




Thanks Sam waiting for part two.

From: Little Billy
Date: 13-Mar-19




Thanks.

I got the fever. I started on this.

Hoyt spectra handle, 62 inch Omp limbs,@45#.

Thanks

From: Jim Keller
Date: 13-Mar-19




Me too. Very interesting. Thanks Sam

From: Little Billy
Date: 13-Mar-19




Makes a 64 " bow. About 7_9 "brace...?

Wish me luck.

From: SB
Date: 13-Mar-19




I have a Proline that needs to be done,but I have no milling machine ,drill press,or any other shop tools for that matter. Dosn't much make it do it yourself for me.

From: reddogge
Date: 13-Mar-19




SB, you can buy those plates pre-milled online so the only thing you need to do is final fitting and epoxying them into the riser.

From: Sarge
Date: 14-Mar-19




Yes, Hawkeye has proline plates on ebay. Hawkeye needs support, he has many health issues and needs peoples prayers and thoughts too. Last time I talked to him on ebay he was in the hospital trying to get better. I am not talking about his plates or selling them, I am more concerned about his health and his need for support with prayer and thoughts. We do not think about these things until we experience them ourselves.

From: SB
Date: 14-Mar-19




Can't buy online...

From: SB
Date: 14-Mar-19




I thought on the Proline'milling the dovetail was a better solution than jacking up your limbs on top of plates?!

From: Todd the archer Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 14-Mar-19




I have a Proline riser, hands down my best shooting bow I own. Milling a slot no doubt gives a cleaner look but I didn’t do that on mine. Made adapter plates from 3/8” thick Teflon cutting board. Easy to work with and versatile.

From: Sarge
Date: 14-Mar-19




It is if you can do it or have someone do it. It is also dependent on the limb pocket and how material it has in it originally. Some did not have enough material in the floor due to different rocker setups on the compound limbs.

From: Todd the archer Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 14-Mar-19

Todd the archer's embedded Photo



From: SB
Date: 14-Mar-19




How can a hole in a piece of plastic hold the dovetail/ detent part of the limb? Or is that a non-ILF setup? I don't have the limb bolt bezels,plastic washers,or brass collars either! Mine is also a lefty!

From: Todd the archer Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 15-Mar-19




The hole in the plastic works to use the dovetail button like a giant locating pin. Those are the original limb bolts that held the compound limbs. Those are not brass collars but instead short pieces of aluminum arrow shaft cut to be a bushing to fit the 3/8” ILF slot in the limb.

The original limb bolts are quite long and allow plenty of tiller adjustment even with the limb on top of the plate. The limb bolt also acts as dowel pin to hold the plate in place, I use no glue to hold them in. The plastic cutting board material is quite tough and resilient, don’t think you could break it with a hammer yet easy to fab using a coping saw and a file. Been using it a lot the past 3 years since I put it together.

From: Sarge
Date: 15-Mar-19




I have seen risers with just two screws angled in the pocket for the fitting to rest on and several delrin plates. There was some guy machining delrin plates yesrs ago. The guys that used them said they were holding up. I have also seen one with the old limbs filed out and a fitting slot.

That is why some custom makers will only trust a warf done by Loc or me or any other skilled warfers. I am trying to get out so get a hold of Loc or buy aluminum on ebay. Not knocking your warf Todd.

From: Todd the archer Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 15-Mar-19




No offense taken, just saying what has worked well for me given what I had to work with. And frankly don’t think it would shoot and better if it was machine which I don’t have access to ( actually too cheap to spend the money to have someone do it.;)

From: JFH
Date: 15-Mar-19




I love the cutting block idea!!!!! I have an extra set of predater limbs and always wanted a longer riser for them. Predater doesnt make a "B" riser. I think I will start looking for a doner compound at the pawn shops.

From: Sarge
Date: 15-Mar-19




The intent of the videos is to educate others that they can do their own.

In the second video when I showed a jig for a dovetail? You do not even need a dovetail, just do the mods I showed you and the ILF fitting will work just as well in the slot retention of the plate.

The dovetail is more for looks actually in my opinion. The slot captures the fitting side to side and under limb tension, the fitting will butt right up the radius.

From: Mission man
Date: 15-Mar-19




Great stuff Sarge thanks for sharing man!!

From: SB
Date: 15-Mar-19




If the dovetail/detent limb fitting is just sitting in an alighnment hole doesn't that in effect cock the back of the limb butt up changing your limb angle?

From: Sarge
Date: 15-Mar-19




Nope, the fitting is captured by the slot and is under tension butted up against the slot radius. The pocket floors need to flat and centered with the limb bolt to make sure your limb alignment is straight. There are three pressure points; The bottom of the limb on the pocket floor, the fitting up against the slot radius, and the limb bolt holding pressure down on the limb bolt.

If the plate is square and level and the slot does not have a side to side slop, your limbs will sit level and be centered on the limb and string alignment.

Puta limb in your riser dovetail and look at it front the bottom and see how much contact it has on the radiused bottom of the fitting and see how contact it has on the sides?

From: SB
Date: 15-Mar-19




I don't follow?! If it's not slid into a milled dovetail ,that part of the limb is going to sit higher!

From: Todd the archer Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 15-Mar-19




The plate also goes under the limb bolt same thickness as at dovetail button

From: SB
Date: 15-Mar-19




Yes ...I can see using the plates would keep things even. It was the plastic spacer with just a hole for the dovetail/detent I was alluding to.

From: Sarge
Date: 15-Mar-19




OK.

From: SB
Date: 16-Mar-19




Is there anyone doing these conversions? I don't want to move the limb bolt holes as I've seen done, as I want to retain the 21" riser. That makes the long limbs on my Olympic riser which is 25", a 66" bow on the Proline riser

From: Draven
Date: 16-Mar-19

Draven's embedded Photo



I have the Hawkeye plates and I asked him to modify them to match the Proline rounded limb pocket.

From: Draven
Date: 16-Mar-19

Draven's embedded Photo



They look like this and they fit the limb pocket perfect, matching the existing holes

From: DaleHajas
Date: 16-Mar-19




Look to Let Go or Offered Up or Craigslist and yardsales but by golly the Facebook Marketplace is blowing away all other methods of selling used items. my local Let Go has probably 6 old warfable bows for sale as I type this.

The Fb page is incredible for selling as it is buying.

From: Sarge
Date: 16-Mar-19




Draven, that is a nice looking setup and I think I could go that route myself. Looks very good,,,,,

From: Draven
Date: 16-Mar-19




Thanks Sam. Actually I don’t use the plates on it.

From: Dwrightkm
Date: 16-Mar-19




I used to have a 20" Proline warfed by Sam some years back. Was a great shooting riser. To this day, is the only bow I had ever shot a Robinhood with.

Good video Sam!





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