That distance keeps growing on the "tiger" shot. It was about 80 yards, but yes...Fred was trying to shoot over it and maybe turn it back toward them. Even for Fred, sometimes it was better to be lucky than good. He explained that in his book.
Fred shot alunminum from about the late 60's onward. I shoot mostly aluminum because that's mostly what I shot for over fifty years. Still do most of the time. Never fell in love with carbons at all.
Wood arrows used to be fun to make and its enjoyable seeing the artwork of others with their best wood arrows.
Retired and busier than ever, don't spend any more time than necessary now making arrows. Like to stick on Onestringer wraps over my carbons and use a six-banger multi-flether to get six fletched at a time.
Wood used to have an advantage for making a quiver full of cheap hunting arrows too. Used to dip a bunch of cedars in red, then put cheap points on'em. Suppose you can spray them now as many do, which is also quick. Wood shafts just aren't cheap anymore, so keep plenty of carbon shafts around and order six more whenever I order a few things off the net. That way, I always have plenty.
Same here Thumper. I don't like leaving garbage in the woods. When I shot aluminum, if I lost an arrow, or the back portion of one after a deer broke it off, I'd spend time looking for it, not wanting to leave it laying out there. Wood and feathers are supposed to be in the woods.
Wooden bows and wooden arrows for me. It turns out, that's all I need... and all I need is all I want.
I shoot tapered cedar which are my arrow of choice, recently bought carbons that paper tune bullet holes even outside in the moist, cant get them to shoot right I guess cause their too light, so I'll stick with my woodies which always feels right.
My bows I like one piece wood. My arrows I like carbon, those things are just tough and I don’t go through as many of them. So even though they cost me a little more I still spend less on them . I do appreciate a nice wood arrow. Aluminum arrows I don’t care for.
Black, sexy, sleek, and thin Carbon was superior and sure to win;
But, I loved the aluminum,just wouldn't leave it My friends, they all laughed but I didn't care There were nearly a thousand aluminum soldiers in my bow lair;
Then I found longbows and recurves, or did they find me? And I shot my fleet of arrows, I felt wild and free But something was missing, what could it be The beauty of cedar! Port Orford was calling to me.
Now, I have it all and its plain to see The fun and discovery is all part of the plan Its the journey thats fun for this archer man
After the cheap dept store wood arrows my first real arrows were fiberglass Micro Flites because they were popular for a brief period back then. And then it was aluminum which lasted into and through the compound period and so seemed natural for the most recent stick bow comeback as most of my experience was with them over the years. Did briefly try some chundoo wood shafts about 20 years ago during a failed stickbow comeback attempt and have played with those again recently as well as some cedar. I really like the looks and feel of wood but the consistency and familiarity of aluminum keeps them around. Never shot carbon and never will.
Art. Clean, unpretentious art. Like Ralphie Parker's Opus to a Red Ryder. I can clearly see why most of you gentlemen love Cedar. You are refined, pure of soul. Probably single malt scotch drinkers who revel in Walden and Thoreau, maybe around a smokeless campfire.
To others who only see an arrow as a means to an end, a tool designed for bloodletting... I cannot argue that you are wrong. But, its like the Music just Died :))
I started with wood and saw that I could,/ but my neighbor shot aluminum and said that I should./ Autumn orange, they looked so sweet to me./ In a quiver I put them for all to see./ Then came carbon, so easy to keep./ No bending or breaking, with confident I'd sleep./ But, then something happened, improvement I saw./ Suddenly, my arrows all began to hit straw./ So, back to the beauty of wood I returned,/ To the love of cedar where I'd first learned./ Today, I choose to shoot them all./ Winter, spring, summer and especially in fall.
Roger, I could care less about romanticism or nostalgia for that matter. I like building and shooting wood arrows. To me, that is a big part of archery. I dislike carbon arrows like many people dislike anchovies. I refuse to use them and if they were the only arrow available, I'd just spend my time fly fishing. JMO
Wood & aluminum have a special feel to them (probably because they weigh more) which I like. Carbon arrows feel like I dry fired the crap out of my bow. Plus I've seen what happens when a carbon arrow breaks & goes through a bow hand & it's very, very nasty. For comfort & shooting pleasure wood first, aluminum a close second. Unfortunately wood is fragile & labor intensive so I shoot almost always aluminum.
Jeff: If you're responding to me read what I wrote again. I never said that "they never last" and that "none are any good". I said they were fragile & if you have any experience at all you would know that I meant fragile compared to other materials. Everyone here expresses their opinion in good faith & without disrespecting anyone else. Don't put words in my mouth just to have an excuse to look for a scrap.
Shooter, I was trying to write a poem and have a little fun. In doing so, it helps if there's a rhythm or cadence to it, which makes it tough to exactly quote someone. If I quote you, you'll know it. And no, it wasn't all directed at you. Maybe try to lighten up just a bit.
And since you brought it up, when you say "wood is fragile"(your quote), that may be your opinion, but it's a blanket statement that is flatly untrue. I know because, yes, I have real experience. If you had said "some wood is more fragile", that would be true and I would agree. But not all wood is, it's durability varies immensely, and some is tougher than some aluminums and carbons... 'some', because their durability varies as well. Again, not directed entirely toward you as I've heard others here make similar generalizations about wood arrow shafts.
Some Wallers leave no room for jest// They hold their perceived truths so closely to their chest// A closed mind - a world of black and white// keeps them all night and leaves no room for respite// Argue with a fencepost, they do not mind// For a fencepost, unable to speak, seems very kind.// Wood is strong as steel, no it's actually weak as twig// Aluminum is our kryptonite, no it tends bends like a fig// Carbon that's the answer it's skinny and strong// But a carbon from a wooden bow is all wrong.// Shoot what you may, shoot what you will Enjoy the sport that always gives a thrill// Shoot your bow and leave your neighbor be// He has a different agenda can't you see?
Shooter said "Carbon arrows feel like I dry fired the crap out of my bow". This tells me you don't know what you're doing. You can get carbons to weigh whatever you want. Don't have to shoot 300 gr. arrows.
I have personally shot several 5 Douglas Fir arrows into hard things. Had the tips of field points bend, ferrules of broadheads blow out and tips of Judo's bend over. Not one shaft broke. Put new points on them and kept shooting them. I personally, have seen birch arrows shot into steel plates and bounce off with no perceptible damage. Same with hickory. Not all wood is fragile.
Ahhh well. Winter is officially on its way out the door. I think some fresh air and exercise will do me some kinda good. Yet, I think you guys are pretty talented. Seems to me that archery poetry is an overlooked niche...maybe we got something here.I suspect that writing a poem is a lot like writing a song. Maybe a new thread with video clips of members singing self-written bow and arrow love songs....or not.
Lots of good things to be said about carbon and aluminum but I can't make them myself. I can go into the woods and select a straight grained tree and take it home...season it, cut it into blanks and make my own shafting...It is a lot of work however its something I love. Nothing beats shooting bows and arrows you built yourself.
My arrow stash: 85% aluminum. I picked up various weight/spined aluminum for approx 20 different bows ranging from 24#-60#. It was inexpensive- lots of used arrows, some new old stock. All shoot great. I also have aluminum and carbon I hunt with using a Mathews compound. From my recurves and longbows, I like a slightly heavy aluminum arrow and woodies.
I think if I didn't own a single arrow, I would be inclined to buy aluminum for hunting/ roving and wood for archery in the park.
I like to match the arrows to my bow by their birthday. My Hill type bow gets wood only. My 70's bears get aluminums only. My more modern metal riser bows get black carbons. My Modern wood recurves and deflex deflex longbows get faux wood carbon arrows. I never really found an arrow I couldn't break or loose. Just an excuse to buy just one more dozen.
I shoot all kinds but I like MicroFLite fiberglass shafts above all others. It kills me every time one hits a rock or hard tree and pushes the insert back, splitting the shaft...I cut off the split portion and they go from my best arrow to some shorter draw archer's best arrow.