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points and shoots where I look

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bbaker 17-Feb-19
fdp 17-Feb-19
zog 17-Feb-19
SB 17-Feb-19
MStyles 18-Feb-19
awry 18-Feb-19
Babbling Bob 18-Feb-19
George D. Stout 18-Feb-19
Yooper-traveler 18-Feb-19
Orion 18-Feb-19
Yellow Dog 18-Feb-19
Sipsey River 18-Feb-19
Sipsey River 18-Feb-19
Brad Lehmann 18-Feb-19
RymanCat 18-Feb-19
Matt B 18-Feb-19
fdp 18-Feb-19
PO Cedar 18-Feb-19
Matt B 18-Feb-19
GLF 18-Feb-19
Dan Jones 18-Feb-19
painter 18-Feb-19
dean 18-Feb-19
longbowguy 18-Feb-19
Rick 3 18-Feb-19
bowhunt 19-Feb-19
Lost arrow 19-Feb-19
From: bbaker
Date: 17-Feb-19




Interpretation please.

From: fdp
Date: 17-Feb-19




It means when you grip the bow naturally and draw it the draw/force line of the bow is aligned with your eye.

From: zog
Date: 17-Feb-19




Means you should be looking at what you want to hit when you shoot. Aim small.

From: SB
Date: 17-Feb-19




They all shoot where you point them! ;)

From: MStyles
Date: 18-Feb-19




This is usually said by everyone wno observes the Leatherwall Manlaw when they first get a new or used bow. They’re so excited, like a kid on Christmas. They post pics, rave about their new bow in superlatives. Been there myself. Then in a week or two, when the new bow doesn’t turn the new owner into the next Howard Hill, it just becomes another bow like the rest of the bows on their rack...lol!

From: awry
Date: 18-Feb-19




Thinking MStyles nailed it

From: Babbling Bob Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 18-Feb-19




Some bows are pointers and shooters and some aren't. A personal preference you have to find out for yourself. That's why there are so many used bows for sale.

There's lots of hunting or shooting descriptions. My best friend often said "slicker than a mule in a brier patch" when something went right. If you've ever been coon hunting with mules, hounds, and wheat lights, you'd understand. Those mules sure can dance in the heavy stuff along the creek banks.

Same with "points and shoots where I'm looking". Sometimes a bow comes along that is so comfortable, those arrows just seem to jump right into the place your looking. But that bow might not shoot or feel worth a hoot with someone else. Also, that saying won't work for blind shooters who have to be lined up.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 18-Feb-19




I've said it myself, probably because I heard others say it at one time, and it seemed pretty descriptive of a bow that fits you.

From: Yooper-traveler
Date: 18-Feb-19




When I hear it I think of a bow that "fits" well and is a pleasure to shoot for that individual.

From: Orion Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 18-Feb-19




Pretty much means you can hit what you're shooting at (with that particular bow).

From: Yellow Dog
Date: 18-Feb-19




My definition........Naturally getting on target without having to think about it. For me it’s all about the grip, if it fits you and your shooting style things just click.

From: Sipsey River
Date: 18-Feb-19




It means you have arrows with the proper spine.

From: Sipsey River
Date: 18-Feb-19




It means you have arrows with the proper spine.

From: Brad Lehmann
Date: 18-Feb-19




If you have ever owned a bow that doesn't point and shoot where you look, you understand this term. I had a Rocky Mountain Recurve that just had a mind of it's own. Beautiful bow but certainly not the bow for me. My latest Schafer is easy to love. Bring it up, look at the target, draw and release. The same can be said for my Thunderbolt, my Blacktails, and the Chaparral. I think that the secret is in the grip fitting my hand.

From: RymanCat
Date: 18-Feb-19




All bows fit you! You just have to learn how to shoot them. Some might be more comfortable than others.

Hey check this out Dude. Oh you got a new bow so can I try it. You pick it up and know nothing about that bow you never mshot it before this time.

So tell me now how did you hit the spot on your 1rst shot?

Imagine that now! The game is mental and you either got it or you don't and if you don't then we have to work on it a little more.

Our form ect.

I say all grips and guys hands is BS or I can't shoot the bow.

I proved this at Baltimore several years back. I had just got a long bow build more of a flat bow to call it and It had hand shock that would rattle your teeth.

I knew what caused it after Jim Gainey looked at it was the way the bow was made it was pointed out after Jason Fedora took the bow over to Jim to have looked at because I asked Jason.

Getting back to the point some 50 guys must have shot this bow and they all shot the bow well and said yes they felt it what I was talking about. Wasn't the way the bow was shooting it was the vibration I felt in the grip not the Thump that a LB has.

Not everyone all the time look where they shoot. You can shoot and be looking somewhere else too ya know.LOL

From: Matt B
Date: 18-Feb-19




"Shoots where I look" applies to true instinctive shooters. The bow aligns with how you point with your hand/arm. The grip size and shape matter, but how the center line of the grip align with the center line of the bow is more important. As is the height of the arrow shelf above your hand. It is much like the English (Churchill) instinctive shotgun shooting method. Many gunstocks have been bent to change point of impact. All of them could be shot fine by looking down the rib and aiming. Some of us prefer to do it the other way.

From: fdp
Date: 18-Feb-19




monkeyball….I agree, You CAN shoot any bow well, it's just that some of them take more effort then others. Personally I don't like that.

The analogy of the shotgun stock is somewhat correct. However, the alignment with a bow has to occur after the bow is at full draw, not before. If the Draw/Force line isn't aligned at full draw then torque of either the bow, the string, or both will occur.

From: PO Cedar
Date: 18-Feb-19




It should be inscribed on my Asbell era Bighorn risers....

From: Matt B
Date: 18-Feb-19




FDP, I agree, the alignment of the bow does occur at full draw, but most instinctive shooters I have watched begin the alignment during the draw, much like we do mounting a shotgun. The hard focus (final aiming?) occurs while at full draw or after the gun is firmly mounted and cheeked.

From: GLF
Date: 18-Feb-19




My bows aligned before I ever draw it back. It never moves once drawn. I suppose something about my bow or bow hand is my reference point.

From: Dan Jones
Date: 18-Feb-19




Just archery's version of "It is what it is" or "If that makes sense." Meaningless chatter.

From: painter
Date: 18-Feb-19




When it's so dark that I can just see my target at 15-20 yards, I pick up my bow, shoot 3 or 4 arrows and not seeing where they hit until I walk up to the target and then find those arrows in a six inch group around the spot I was looking at............. I know it's all working. Thats not just the bow. A great bow with the wrong arrows won't do that but, a great bow, the right arrows and decent form will.

From: dean
Date: 18-Feb-19




None of my bows point where i look, it is not that difficult to figure out where to point the arrow, so the arrow goes where look.

From: longbowguy
Date: 18-Feb-19




It is when the bow and arrow combination is tuned to your hand and eye. It is when you have found what everybody else is searching for. - lbg

From: Rick 3
Date: 18-Feb-19




When I shoot my new BW it fits me so well that when I am shooting bad I still hit the target. May not be a great shot, but I don't miss.

That is when you know that a bow points and shoots for you naturally. It just gets it done!

From: bowhunt
Date: 19-Feb-19




Bow fits Grip fits Arrow fits Trajectory or arrow fits.

From: Lost arrow
Date: 19-Feb-19




Been shooting bows for 65 years with several long dry spells. Never heard of the “shoots where I look every time” until I joined the Leatherwall. I have owned and shot many bows but have always had to practice and learn how to shoot different bows. Last spring I paid a guy a little too much for a bow that he said was a “great pointer and always shot where he looked.” Didn’t work for me. My buddy tried it and didn’t work for him. After shooting it a while it became a good shooting bow but not until I learned how to shoot it.





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