I love doubting Thomas. My career has been built by the fact that a lot of folks doubt I can do what I do. It’s fun. Media shows up. Crowds show up.

So this morning at the Allegheny Outdoor Show in Monroeville, Pa we had a huge crowd. I hit a 81 mg tablet first try. You can see the chip in the pill where my field tip impacted the pill.

Audiences like the 3 tablet 3 arrow shot but this year I have been doing more of the basic one tablet- one arrow shots so that audiences can more easily see the impact of one arrow and one tablet. I’m also logging every show for the entire year so I can keep a running average. We also had a first shot show yesterday.

One pill and one arrow allows the hits to be more defined. When I have 3 sometimes people miss it or don’t see it. My eyes are 20/8 so I can usually call it but I like it when they see it too.

Yesterday we had a first shot show too- with a different guy throwing for me. I typically have a different thrower every show. It keeps me on my toes- no two people throw it the same.

Frank

Yep...I like the one pill one arrow shot as well. It is easier for the crowd to identify with.

Let me see....how many peole can I think of that one of those pills after it's been hit? Several to say the least. Including a fine, classic Texas lady from down at Kingsville.

Several people have them. I know who you mean. I love it when it’s first shot.

Thanks FDP

Im curious. How do you hit them? I regularly miss deer :)

Incredible eye Frank and all that follows just how you are blessed.

Good on you Frank, I went to trad school in Monroeville in 1969. Yep one shot one kill.

Ok, so far : Friday : 1st shot and 4th shot Saturday : 1st shot and 2nd shot

That’s on the 81mg pill. I’m shooting a brand new Hoyt bow. I love it.

Frank

The silver bow is the newest bow.

Wow incredible. You da man.

Frank...looks like Pop Addington had to REALLY work his magic on the arrow rest of that silver bow.

Yeah we have changed it. The new style rocks. Best ever. Also check out the limbs on the silver bow. It’s amazing.

Every arrow is in the center of the balloon. It absolutely shoots where I look. I have asked for a third one. Amazing bow.

POP is the best. I’m shooting the best of my career.

Frank

Also look at limb tips.

That's the souped up version of the limbs we played with last year isn't it?

I'll bet that smoothed out the Force/Braw curve a lot.

Frank,I've always wondered ....can you actually hit a conventional target at say 20 yds. Shooting in a "normal" manner? ;)

Uh oh doubter alert

Steve Compound, longbow or recurve. No problem. Instinctively I’m good out to about 30.

Have taken game and hit objects further but I know it’s skill to 30. I’m afraid luck plays a greater role past 30. I don’t mix styles or blend styles. A point of aim or gap shooter gets an advantage at longer yardages.

I used to shoot all my shows the normal way until 94. My dad had a pro shop with an indoor range. One time I was goofing off after hours. I shot a lifesaver on a strong with a compound bow and would start up close and slowly work my way back. Since it was closed I went past the 20 yard line and actually backed up Into to pro shop and kept backing up until I got to the wall. I’d guess that to be maybe 32 yards. I got the lifesaver. I shot 13 in a row. I was younger then and shot two hours a day with compounds and recurves.

But with 20/8 eyes and 47 years of instinctive shooting yes I can hit targets out to that distance with my bow or yours. (As long as I can pull it.). Good question.

Frank

And Nolz how the heck have you been. Haha. It’s been a day or two.

Cool !!

Thanks Big bear. Having a really good time.

Two weekends ago we signed over 1000 photos at a show. Ran out and they went to an office supply store and had some paper copies made. Meeting lots of Great folks on the road.

Business is good and after a health scare a year ago I feel great. God is good. I had to work hard to get healthy again and my shooting is at the top of my 34 year career. We are already booking 2020 shows. So it’s been great.

I have been blessed with family and friends. I love what I do.

Frank

FDP No, that’s a new limb. It’s skinny at the tip and is so smooth yet fast and flat. It doesn’t pull hard to me like the other ones did. It’s much smoother yet those arrows zip out of it.

And every arrow is dead center of where I look. I’m addicted to that bow. I have two and want a third. I have three sets of two bows. Each case has two bows and I send them show to show as you know. Now I want that silver bow every time I walk on stage but logistically that’s not possible. So I have a blue one just like it for case #2 and have requested another so that each case will have one. I’m at the rodeo next weekend. Drive down and hang out. You can try it. I’ll have the blue one there. This one is headed to Raleigh Monday.

Frank

FDP Does this photo show the limb tips?

"And Nolz how the heck have you been. Haha. It’s been a day or two."

Frank I try to ignore your self promotion nowadays since Pat LeFemine and Moderator Phil Magistro let it be known you were allowed even without sponsorship.Not worth getting banned over the level of attention you get.

You get the last laugh haha.

Nolz I began labeling the threads a few years ago to spare folks from reading it that didn’t want to read my stuff. As I have reminded you over the years I learned from the best. Fred Bear was perhaps the sports greatest promoter. And he also promoted Fred and his archery company at the same time. Much of what I do is based on things he did to get a spotlight on archery. I do an avareage of 2-3 Media interviews at every appearance I make. TV, Radio and newspaper.

What has always amused me is that a handful of you around 2009 that had no idea who I was or what I did criticized me and my approach. You haven’t been to a show. Ever.

Phil has seen my show and so has Pat, I believe Pat was at the show I did for Pope and Young. Many here on LW have seen it. You have not.

My core message is three parts. 1. Turn off tv, video games and computers and get outdoors. 2. Engage in outdoor pursuits with your family and stay away from drugs. 3. God gives us all talent. Use it.

And I have a heck of a good time blending archery and fun feats with the show. I’m not on stage to do a serious instinctive seminar, talk bowhunting techniques or give serious advice to folks with target panic. It’s wntertianment. The shows are expensive to book. You can’t buy anything from me - not a book, a hat or a DVD. I give my publicity photos away. I promote archery and Hoyt, but I can’t even sell you a Hoyt bow.

I guess by now you know that intend to overlook critics and those who don’t get what I do. That’s not why I do it. It’s the smiles on those faces of the youngsters in my audience. Their eyes light up- they laugh and clap and want to try archer after my show.

I’ll never let a critic define me. I have tried to reach my hand out in friendship to you over the years. The fact that you continue to post negative comments is fine. I wish though that you would watch one show and then tell me your thoughts. Watch the youngsters in the crowd. Like the old Gene Autry shows i want to entertain and deliver a moral message.

You are always welcome on my threads. I label them and they are easy to find.

Frank

Keep up the good fight Frank we need more like you.

just checked out some videos on youtube. very cool stuff!

Thank you.

Last October I was honored to perform 36 archery shows in 14 days at the State Fair of Texas. This was the first show on Monday, October 8 at 11:30 am.

Can you imagine all the folks I got to show case archery for? And all the shows heard my story and message. Hopefully this inspired Folks to try archery.

I do enjoy my job.

Frank

Very nice, Frank. I never doubted you. :) Jawge

And two weeks later this was the last show on a Sunday. Just so you will know we had good crowds at all the shows.

Frank

I’m sorry elderly.

My bows are tuned for the style shooting I do on stage. I’ve used ACC 371 arrows for more than 20 years. When the Formula bows came out in 2009 or 2010, they were so much faster and flatter than my other bows I had to drop down the field point weight to stiffen the arrow some. I don’t get much room at most shows- so I usually am only 18-21 feet away although sometimes I can get further back. So I would say I draw the bow about half draw.

Obviously if I were hunting or even target shooting with this same bow I would probably have different arrows. But I tune my bows for what I do. I want them to hit where I look. And they usually do.

It is vital to have the right set up and right arrow. For what i do these work. Hunting or target shooting with a regular feathered arrow I would probably change sizes.

Good question.

Thanks Jawge. You’ve seen my show. Several times.

You’re a good man and a great friend.

F

I am not a doubter. But since you brought it up it does tend to anger me that you get away with the uncompensated shilling.

OK Pat, time to jump in and delete this cause I been a bad boy.

Frank, always enjoy your posts. Hope to see your show someday.

Uh oh.

Thanks Dale. What area are you in? I’ll check our schedule.

Penny- only thing I can say to you and your friend Nolz is some things never change. I post as I always have since 2005, but I started labeling my threads so as not to anger those of you that don’t enjoy my posts. You are always welcome here but I probably won’t change the way I post.

Frank

Ok, so far the Allegheny Outdoor Show stage has been kind to me.

I’ve done 5 shows with one to go. Here’s the results in the 81 mg tablet behind the back with two different throwers in three days:

Friday: 1st shot 4th shot

Sat: 1st shot 2ns shot

Sunday: 1st shot

I have one more show then it’s home to Texas. I’ll be at the San Antonio Stock show and Rodeo next week. The gear that’s at this show headsntl raleigh, nC for the Dixie Deer Classic in two weeks.

Frank

Frank, I’m A Michigander, currently snowbirding in FL.

You should come to my pheasant hunt at my house next month, you would do some damage on those roosters, I am sure.....

Your invited

Thanks aground. That’s very kind. I’m booked solid with shows. I don’t get much Hunting time. That surprises a lot of people. But your kindness Means a great deal. Thank you again.

Dale- No Michigan or Fla shows on the 2019 schedule so far. Maybe 2020!

Frank

Ended the last show with a single mustard seed. It disappeared second shot! Nailed it.

Had a spotter from the audience and the thrower comfirm the hit.

A great weekend.

Frank

I find it exceptionally entertaining how folks get works up over these threads showing the results of these shows.

Particularly considering that we regularly see other post on subjects related to new books that are hitting the market, DVD's that are going to be available, new bowyers that are show casing their work etc..

Personally, I don't have a problem with any of them. And that is for several reasons.

First, all of these threads are promoting archery and or bow hunting in a positive light. And I'm all for that.

Second, this isn't my house. I'm just visiting on this site and glad to have the opportunity to do it.

Since it was Sunday Frank, I wondered if you'd shoot the Mustard seed.

We should be at the rodeo next weekend. The girls are showing at a big German Shepherd show down there. 2 shows on Saturday and one on Sunday.

I’ll see you at the Rodeo FDP. I’ll do 12 shows on three days. Fun stuff.

I enjoy when they post on the threads, it keeps them at the top longer. The promoter in me loves that. I haven’t changed the way I post since 2005, why would I change now?

Frank

Fred Bear showed me how.

I have seen your show, Frank, an it is excellent. I am glad I can call you friend. You were there for me when I needed one. Jawge

Frank, you are a gentleman and I appreciate your posts. I don't see you misusing anything here.

Keep up your great work and I am sure you have brought archery to a lot of folks that normally wouldn't have tried it.

As far as the naysayers, I haven't seen one positive thing they have done.

When I saw Howard Hill shoot a bunch of carp in a pond a long time ago, that sparked my reason to take up archery, I know I will never hit an aspirin tablet with an arrow, heck I have a hard time hitting my mouth with an aspirin.....Ha!Ha!

Jawge You are the best. Thank you.

Ron Thank you. I’ve tried for ten years to explain to those guys it takes self promotion to do what I do. If they’d see the show then complain it’s one thing but they don’t know me or the show.

Frank

Great weekend of shows!

I like your style Frank.

Congrats.

Lol Hico=Hiram=Sam Dunham you crack me up.I posted as a joke to ElderlyOCR then responded to Frank.No doubting no hating.Reread the thread.

(Sorry SB not Elderly)

Nolz A couple questions. Please be honest.

Have you ever posted derogatory, unkind and insultful posts about me on this or other archery websites? (From about 2009/2010 until now) Have you mocked or made fun of me at my expense in posts? If so, why?

Ever met me or seen a live performance of my show?

I’d be interested in your truthful responses.

Frank

Frank, in all fairness you're pretty much mocking Nolz and others of us by using the term "Doubting Thomas"...and for the record I have seen your show...last year when you were here in Minnesota. Your historic free pass and self promotion here on the Leatherwall goes way back, and I'll leave that to the powers that be, but try to understand not everybody is going to be as impressed by your show as you are. No need to call us out or label us derogatory names.

South farm I have screen shots of some of Nolz’s Posts from another site. I think any person that reads those will understand my comments. It was like a playground when bullies gather. They had free range to insult and post some pretty cruel comments. Things I cannot or will not repeat.

I don’t gear my show to you guys that are knowledgeable archers. That’s not my goal. You guys that are active and know the sport are already active in archery. My show is designed to go to a place with families and inspire the next generation to shut off the video games and try archery as a family. I don’t preach to the choir.

If you can find me an example of where I went onto one of Nolz’s threads and posted unkind remarks let me know. I don’t think you’ll find one.

And by the way, I’m not calling you doubting Thomas. I’m saying that’s why the media and crowds come. They don’t believe a person can do it so they come up the shows. I’ve kept these going 34 years.

I appreciate your post. The Doubting Thomas was a friendly comment, meaning folks wonder about it and come to the show.

Frank

I think that the "Doubting Thomas" thing is being misinterpreted. What Frank is referring too I believe are the folks that come to the shows, and just flat say they don't believe he can hit the aspirin.

I've seen it numerous times. Adults, teenagers, kiddo's. Then, they see the show and they change their mind. They come up on stage after the show grinning and shaking their heads.Those are the "Doubting Thomas's", Not aimed at anyone in particular.

Evidently some of you folks haven't seen some of the comments that some of the folks here have posted on other sites about Frank. They are just plain nasty and uncalled for.

I can assure you he handles it much more diplomatically then I would.

Nobody has to click on a topic and open it on this site or any other.

A picture of the aspirin shown doesn't do Frank justice at all. I looked at my aspirin I took this morning and thought darn that's small.LOL

What kind of rest setup do you have on your bows? I've never seen anything like it.

Jimbob In my early years of shows I used a compound and a recurve. For accuracy I prefer an elevated rest over off the shelf. And in my show I need a rest that allows up to six arrows at once. So my father custom makes my arrow rests pit of layers of leather. It works very well for what I need.

Frank

You are very blessed to have met Fred Bear. I hope you can do a show in Michigan. Keep the arrows flying.

You are very blessed to have met Fred Bear. I hope you can do a show in Michigan. Keep the arrows flying.

Bribow Thank you. Fred was the best. Here’s another guy I had a great deal of Respect for. Earl Hoyt. He was a gentle giant. A genius. Wonderful bow designer. Didn’t self promote or like the limelight. Much preferred to be in his shop working on something.

Frank

Fred stuck that bear sticker on my badge.

Probably so back when I used to take you on about buying a sponsorship .I doubt in the last few years.Phil made it clear you didn't have to pay for a sponsorship.

As far as shooting tight groups at say 20 yds., the top IBO trad champs are basically shooting orange size groups at 20 yds. with their tournament bows. Nothing close to aspirin size groups or even inch size groups. We have no idea what they can do with their actual hunting bows and hunting arrows, and some go to the compound for hunting. I've shot with one of the best tournament and trick shot archers to have lived and I pretty much know the score. Nothing but admiration for trick shot archers, it's quite impressive but let's keep things real.

I refer to Arvid Danielson, he was a top tournament shot and even made the Olympic team. A lot of people don't know how good a trick shot artist he was but Byron Ferguson said he was glad Arvid was retired from trick shot archery or he wouldn't have a job...

I did not know you had a pass from Phil to not buy a sponsorship. I no longer have a dog in this fight.

Things I have said on here were my truth as I knew it at the time. I beg no forgiveness.

Penny You’re fine, no big deal.

I wanted Nolz to admit that he has been pretty mean spirited in the past on another site. It went beyond debating a sponsorship. I forgive him but trust me he said some pretty cruel comments about me and called me unkind names. That behavior would never be tolerated here. I just wanted readers to be aware of that when he posted his original comment. Here on LW the moderators keep Things respectful. That’s a good thing. Nolz is always welcome on my threads but people need to know the whole story.

David A Who would that be ? Which one?

Frank

Man, I can't even fathom shooting an aspirin out of the air by shooting behind my back or otherwise, up close or far away. Skill!

You are always welcome on my threads too Frank! But with a simple search I notice you only post on your threads, not even the prayers threads.Maybe you could participate more and generate good will-always the best advertising.

David A, refresh my memory....when was Arvid Danielson on the Olympic archery team. I can't remember.

I have seen Franks show. It takes an incredible amount of talent and practice to shoot that well behind the back. Having said that I walked away after about 8 minutes. It just was not for me. Having said that the pass on self promotion is another issue that seems to be beyond out control. My issue now is that to me his posts seem to be bragging and I don't like that. Just my opinion.

George, he was #4 on the Olympic team that never went due to boycott of Russian invading Afghanistan. Made the team shooting with a glove.

Can't leave that one Frank. For the record;

I stand firmly behind Nolz. If he said it, it is so.

Regardless, archery is not an easy place to make money...better seen as a labor of love.

Nolz So did you or did you not make very harsh statements about me on another sight? Things that can’t be said here. That’s the question I’d like answered. I think people may have the full story if they knew those comments.

Penny You have your circle of friends, I have mine. That’s fine.

I think he's talking about Pirates of Archery that sites been gone 2 years at least I'd guess.

...and another one bites the dust...no surprise.

The question wasn’t about the site. It was did you make specific harsh comments about me and my show? Did you call me harsh names? That’s the question.

I said most likely a few years back read my post.Id say anything I've ever said to your face also.

Well, I’m sure that the words you spoke were meant to hurt and not help. To inflict pain and not lift up. Think about it. Seriously. What’s the purpose?

I do forgive and I guess if you did say it to my face I would look you in the eye and listen. And then pray for you. And forgive you. I just wanted you to admit that you had a history of saying some pretty mean spirited stuff that was unwarranted. Fortunately Jesus taught us to turn a cheek. Right?

My goal is to have fun at what I do. My shows aren’t geared to instruct or entertain serious archers. My shows are to inspire the next generation to take up archery as a family. To turn away from drugs and turn off video games And go outside with their families.

I saw some kids at my school picking on a mentally challenged kid one time. These were popular kids that came from nice homes and had money and played sports. This particular boy lived in poverty and lived with his grandmother. His parents were gone. And these kids picked on him. So I had him sit at my table. He smelled and some of the girls at our table left. But i told him from that day on to sit at my table. And they left him alone.

What you did on that other site was similar Nolz. You and a group of grown men. It was cyber bullying but still a form of the same behavior. Why?!? What came out of it? And you saying “I’d say it to your face”... more of the same. You should think about that. Why would you say those kind of things?

Now that we have that settled, back to archery. That’s the end of that part of the discussion. On to archery and this thread.

Frank

FDP Here are the rodeo show times for this weekend at the San Antonio stock Show and Rodeo :

Thursday - Saturday Let’s rodeo!

Thursday, Feb 21, Friday Feb 22, Saturday Feb 23 and Sunday Feb24:

2:30 4:30 6:30

*** except Sunday, February 24 will be as follows: 12:30pm 2:30pm 4:30pm

We had huge crowds weekend before last.

Thanks for forgiving me.

Frank...we'll be over Sunday afternoon when the girls get done showing dogs.

Thanks FDP. Look forward to it. Gonna be a great weekend.

Frank

Why does it matter how many threads he participates in, when has there ever been a rule on how many threads you need to contribute to..I've been on this forum and Tradgang for a long time and some here came over from TG it looks like just so they can whine about what other people get to do.. who gives a rats a@# if he self promotes himself or the sport of archery if he is helping to get kids or more adults involved in it.. seems hes doing a lot more for the sport then a bunch of crotchety old farts sitting at home complaining.. Give the arguing a break guys it gets old after awhile.

Typical response.. Difference is Some things get good with age (wine) but not whining.

As far as I am concerned I’m ready to get back to talking archery and hopefully we can move on. I felt it was important people reading this thread understand that as far back as 2009/2010 Nolz was making crude comments and comments I doubt he would would really say in public. I would hope not. Comments meant to ridicule, hurt and insult. I forgave. His own words said he was glad I did. So let’s move on.

Last weekend’s show went great. Two weeks ago we signed over 1000 photos in 3 days. Fun stuff. They had to go to a local office supply place and print more photos. I don’t sell them, they are free. I had planned to see them but a you g man wanted one once and didn’t have the money. So right then and there I decided they would be free. I always joke that they may not be worth much on eBay but I’m always happy to sign. I sign a lot of bows and hats too.

Coming up- San Antonio Stock Show and Rodeo Dixie Deer Classic Plus shows in California, Texas, etc.

Thanks everyone for reading my threads. And to those that come out and see the shows, thank you too. Always makes my day.

Frank

Aspirinbuster

You know you are doing a good job when even those that don’t agree with you can’t help but read your threads. Keep the faith and keep up the good work.

I'm always amazed at the guys who feel the need to ridicule or harass someone for doing what they do. I have seen Frank's show two times, and to be honest I can say he did hit and aspirin one time that I could see, the other time I personally couldn't see if he did or not. It doesn't matter if he hits them or not, that is a small part of his show, the larger picture is he has a message and part of that message is archery. The man makes a living shooting bows and that's not to bad of a way. Try shooting a bow behind your back at anything, let alone balloons and pills. Unless Frank has personally offended you or done something horrible I don't see why all the hate, truely. My belly is as big or bigger than Frank's and I still can't shoot a bow behind my back let alone hit a target ;) As your mamma told you as a youngin, if you have nothing nice to say then shut the F@&K up. Oops, she said then say nothing at all, the shut the F@&K up was me lol. Shoot straight Frank.

Thanks Peter.

Some shows have used a camera behind me and a big screen so people can see it. Some of the fancy media I do capture the hits.

I did the three pill shot for years now because people wanted to see it but it gets confusing. One pill one arrow makes it easier to see. I’m 6’2 and can wear a 33- 33” jean but my chest is so sunken that I’ve alwsys had a pooched belly, even when I weighed 150. I am about 195 these days. Topped out about 215 a few years ago but my doc made me drop that weight. The stomach put pressure on my chest.

Thanks for the kind words. And glad you saw the show. Where was it?

Frank

Thanks Mark

I was kidding about the belly. I saw you at the Chicago sports show the first time and then out at cabelas in Hoffman estates.

I remember now. Chicago was a great show. Hoffman Estates was upstairs in that store. We all had a photo made with about six of you guys. I remember that very well. Gosh that’s already been maybe 5 years ago and Chicago was already 7 years ago.

Is this you pal? :)

Frank

I did about 15 Cabelas that year. All summer. It was as fun!

Thank you for your contributions and history lessons in this sport Frank. I have been real bow and arrow hunting for fifty years and appreciate what you, and many you associate with, have brought to the development of real bow and arrow hunting and shooting.

I think many here are too young to appreciate the formative years of real bow and arrow archery. Glad I was there to experience some of the glory years of real bow and arrow archery,.... which for some continues to this day.

Keep up the good work Frank, I always enjoy your posts.

Spam is when you get unwanted email, telemarketing calling you, etc.

When a thread is clearly labeled, and you are familiar with the writing style, well, that’s a choice. My best advice, when you see an Addington thread move along and read a different one. I’ve been here since 2005.

No one makes you open my threads... right?

Thanks Jimmy. I always felt fortunate to come along in archery when I did.

Many today think the latest greatest tv Hunting celebrity is what archery is about. I differ because I think men and women like Fred Bear, Earl and Ann Hoyt, Tom Jennings, Stacy groscup, Ann Clark, Dick Mauch, Jim Dougherty, Sherwood Schoch, Glenn St Charles, Jim Easton are the real deal and heroes of the sport. I call all those folks friends. It was a special time.

Free encourages me and it was very special to hear his ideas on marketing and growing archery.

That is a snapshot from Dick Lattimer’s great book about fred Bear. Fred’s March 5 birthday is coming up. I miss him. What a good man.

Frank

Thanks Jimmy. I always felt fortunate to come along in archery when I did.

Many today think the latest greatest tv Hunting celebrity is what archery is about. I differ because I think men and women like Fred Bear, Earl and Ann Hoyt, Tom Jennings, Stacy groscup, Ann Clark, Dick Mauch, Jim Dougherty, Sherwood Schoch, Glenn St Charles, Jim Easton are the real deal and heroes of the sport. I call all those folks friends. It was a special time.

Free encourages me and it was very special to hear his ideas on marketing and growing archery.

That is a snapshot from Dick Lattimer’s great book about fred Bear. Fred’s March 5 birthday is coming up. I miss him. What a good man.

Frank

Frank, with all due respect, maybe you should consider bringing this thread to a close .... you're beginning to come across as .. how can I say this ... a little bit of a sycophantic narcissist.

Thank you Frank, always nice to appreciate those around us who help forge the way. Generally, true history and progress is the result of the contributions of many.

Keep up the good work Mr. Addington.

It truly amazes me when like minded fellows want to criticize one another in the anti-everything world that we live in.

Archery rocks, lets keep it rocking in every way that we can come up with.

When anyone on this site makes a kid want to get out of bed or off the couch and stop looking at that electronic devise it's a good thing.

As far as self promoting, we all likely do it in one form or another. I look at Mr. Addington's self promoting like Administration here does, he's promoting Archery.

Have a GREAT day guys and gals :)

Real archery is simply my term for the use of the real bow and arrow. I am sure not many can understand, that is okay as I hunted in an era before many here were born.

I wonder how many would like Frank's shooting better if he had proper back tension, and admitted he was referencing the arrow? I will not comment more as this is Frank's thread. I wanted to thank Frank for his past and current contributions to archery, and I did just that.

Missouri The good news is that families and especially kids enjoy the shows. As long as they show up, the media shows up, I’m happy. My job is fun and I love it. 34 years is a long career in any sport.

Stacy Groscup hit an aspirin 7th try with me when he was 82! Amazing guy.

If you aren’t familiar with him google him. He was amazing

Frank

This isn’t about archery as Frank does not share tips or techniques-it is about him and his livelihood. He makes his living off of name dropping and keeping threads alive to advertise his skills-yes he does that that God given ability. Count how many posts are here and then count his -it is about TTT. The past battles were about his free advertising for his “free’ shows. The owner is, the owner of this site, and allows it. End of that discussion. No need for acrimony as this shaft has left the rest. Notice he is not allowed on any other place. Also note he does hunt with a wheel bow, not his recurves. This is all about an archery hall of fame nomination-right? I knew the Hoyts before Frank was born and they would have been proud of his shooting, but embarassed by his methods-JMO

Again, my archery exhibitions are geared to recruiting the next generation. Wake up. You have a generation of young people that know the way to the mall but not grandpa’s favorite fishing hole, they spend hours in front of amvideo, computer or tv screen but don’t step foot outside.

With recent movies archery has seen a spotlight. Kids have seen their favorite actors or cartoon characters shoot a bow and thus there is a spark of interest. Hopefully when they see my show then they can again be encouraged to put down the video game control and try archery.

I had a wonderful friendship with Earl and Ann. Earl was a kind humble gentleman. Very much not a limelight kind of man but great bow designer. Fred on the other hand was a PR man for archery. He sold his name, Bear archery and the sport of archery. I had his blessing and I shared many meals and conversations with rarl and Ann. Jim Easton bought Hoyt from Earl and Ann. His first president of Hoyt was Joe Johnston. Joe traveled with me a week one time. We did shows along the east coast. This would have been early 80’s.

When they held the FITA World championships in NYC in 2003 Jim easton called me at home and asked me to fly to NYC to be the face of the tournament for the media. We had 600 of the best archers from 80 countries. I did the Media at Tacern on the Green in Central Park and then did shows at the tournament in vam courtland Parl in the Bronx. Little kids from all cultures stood in line for hours after my show to try archery for the first time. CNN’s Jeanne mood covered my show.

Then the next year I was asked to do an archery show on behalf of the President of the United States (President Bush) as part of his campaign. They made me an official surrogate speaker for him and I did an archery show too. That’s a first. Archery as part of a presidential campaign.

So yeah, my show is about archery. Taking it to places it’s not been and trying to recruit the next generation. I make no apologies for the way I promote or my methods because my friend it works.

Frank

Awful lot of vertical pronoun used, Frank.

Quote ... "I had a wonderful friendship with Earl and Ann."...

We know Frank ... you keep telling us over and over and over and over and over and over again. It's becoming a little creepy

If it so creepy, just skip the thread. It is clearly posted. I don't gain much reading them, but he is doing way more to expand or preserve the sport than all of you whiners combined. And yes, in keeping with an earlier comment I would say that to your faces

Jealousy is a terrible thing.

Pretty simple to either read or not read a thread.

My sons are the third generation archers in our family. Both can shoot a bow very well.

Jay St Charles just made our youngest son a beautiful little long bow. My six year old was on stage with me at the Rodeo recently performing. He loves archery. Our 12 year old also Has been shooting a bow since he was 18 months old.

I’ll tell you what creepy is. Someone who has such a shallow Exsistance that they feel the need to “put someone in their place”, label them and in general invade threads and toss Ins ults. That’s creepy.

As for the parlor tricks, as long as the crowds and media Show up and promoters sign the checks you can call it when you will. Ain’t a bad gig. I’m very blessed to have a gig I enjoy.

Frank

Frank don't let em get you down. My belly makes my chest look sunk in too.

People today are keyboard warriors. Now I enjoy a good debate, but almost invariably the average debater quickly starts making ad hominem attacks vs. discussing the idea or subject matter. Then they carry grudges over to other threads. Only place it's even worse in when the subject is politics or religion. I guess the average person never learned to argue a contrary position as they often do in debate class. In other words, you argue the pros of a position you don't personally believe in. This little exercise helps elevate one's skills, but no the average person is just triggered and in short order results to personal insults...

By the way, of you want to learn something from me.. I don’t know how many would be interested but about 15 years ago I started doing “Celebrity interviews” with well known bowhunters and archers. It’s on bowhunting.net.

I ask the questions and then in their own words these icons answer it. Many ofnthose are now gone so you can read interviews with Glenn St Charles, Dick Lattimer, Ann Hoyt, Ann Clark, etc.

I wasn’t paid to do these and I wanted to preserve these heroes words and stories for future generations. That way they are able to still have an impact on our sport.

So instead of coming on my threads and interrupting, you can go read about these heroes. In their words. Amazing interviews and many have vintage photos. Neat stuff.

Frank

Normally , I try to get in the middle of threads like these just for the dramatic humor.

This one's a little different as I can see all sides .

Frank, what you're doing is admirable and takes quite a skill set. Shooting talent, sure. But working crowds is a job and the routine.

I think where you're losing leatherwall readers is we're really not your target audience. Most of us have been shooting for a very long time, aren't gamers , and are mostly drug free.

I believe most of us understand self promotion as being sometimes necessary . However, It's very difficult for most people. In fact, once I reached a certain rank in the military , I was responsible for writing my own award citations and evaluations . Very challenging.

The interviews are something most of us can get behind . However, it appears as though they're getting lost behind the other portions of your career and message.

I actually enjoy your posts, don't let the negativity of a few wind generators derail you.

For anyone interested I'm just finishing off the last of the '83 Margaux .... delicious

my question is if the powers that be have told the man he can do what he's doing why the hell does it bother you guys so much? If you don't like what he's doing then shut up and just skip his threads, you guys are like a bunch of old women who have nothing to do but sit around and bit@# about the next door neighbor or whoever.. If you don't like the owners letting him do it then get together and buy the forum but otherwise you have nothing to bit@# about other then just wanting to complain because he is doing nothing wrong according to the people who actually run/own the forum.. If it was me and I owned the forum I would ban every person who gets on his threads and starts these fights especially when they know he already has permission to do so..

Dean, you hit the nail on the head.

So if you are in Texas, here’s the show times this weekend for the San Antonio Rodeo:

Let’s rodeo San Antonio! I’m performing 24 times at this event!

Here’s the schedule: Thursday Feb 7, Friday Feb 8, Saturday Feb 9 and Sunday Feb 10 Thursday, Feb 21, Friday Feb 22, Saturday Feb 23 and Sunday Feb24:

2:30 4:30 6:30

*** except Sunday, February 24 will be as follows: 12:30pm 2:30pm 4:30pm

Hope to see you there.

To casual readers, I apologize. This thread got sidetracked and I sincerely apologize. A few of those posting have had a ten year history of this and I should always be the bigger man but sometimes it’s tough to ignore. And I’ve never been one to let a bunch of cyber bullies run the playground. I do apologize and from this point on will try and get back on the high road. Although this wasn’t too bad, in the past the posts that one of them in particular was very insulting on another site. When someone says, “I’d say it to your face” , you can imagine it wasn’t kind words. As a Christian I strive to forgive and to turn the cheek but it does why old after ten years.

Anyway, onward we go.

Frank, you are a better shot than me. Good for you, you are leading a pretty awesome life.

Not only do I admire your shooting ability, but I also am jealous of your calm demeanor. Some of these cyber-bullies need a smack in the head. You deal with them a heckuva lot better than I do.

A long while back Frank started putting his name, Addington, at the front of the thread title so that those of you who get apoplectic when people have different ideas than yours will know that you need to just not click on it. Why do you do it? Just to vent and rant? Just don't go there if it causes such angst. I admire Frank tremendously for what he does and the positive....did you note that word positive...message he delivers in all of his events. Keep up the good work Frank and don't let the nattering nabobs bother you. Remember that term? Our late state treasurer A. James Manchin used to use it a lot.

Roger Thank you. Yeah, it’s a good thing they say things to and about me. My father is old school. He doesn’t type on a computer and is blunt, he says what he thinks. And even at 76, he’s a force to be reckoned with and would not react the same as I do. And my great grandpa was even worse. His name was wild Bill. He didn’t talk. He took action. Lots of family stories about his life.

God bless Frank

Thanks Dave. And I was right about Pop huh?!?

Thanks Stix.

Yep, for sure Frank. I know how I would feel if people were taking such unneeded shots at my son. Your parents are very proud of what you are doing.

I often wonder if those that write negative, hurtful words ever wonder what their spouses, kids, parents or Jesus would say if they read it. Are they really proud of what they wrote or say? What if someone talked to their family member like that. Are the words said to benefit and help or to tear down.?!?

All of us fall short. All of us make mistakes. But to intentionally belittle, disrespect or tear down someone is not a very good thing to do. Anyone can hurt others. It takes a special person to work hard to help someone.

Rev Stacy Groscup, Coach Leon McCoy and others in my life serges aa mentors or heroes to me. They inspired me to be better.

We are better than this.

Frank

I think you are a good person but your thread title is pretty much asking for confrontation. ..

Flash- It wasn’t my original intent. I was discussing the fact that some media and audiences show up because they doing a person can hit a baby aspirin from mid air from behind the back. That was the intent. I wasn’t baiting the anti-Frank faction. But I guess I did. And once they start I try and keep the high road but sometimes don’t. I try.

I’ve lasted on stage 34 years because of the doubting Thomas’. But anyway thanks for your insight.

Frank

As the great Oscar Wilde once said "The only thing worse that being talked about ... is not being talked about"

This thread has gone exactly the way you wanted it to go ...

Stix- Couldn’t get the link to work. What was the thread titled?

Thanks- Frank

Phil- Almost every showman would agree with PT Barnum who once said he didn’t care what they said about him in the newspaper as long as they spelled his name right.

However, I talk a lot of good mentors and role models. Jesus would be my top choice and although I fall way short, I think he had it right. Treat others as you want to be treated. Speak up for the weak and the timid. And always have faith and most of all honor God in word and deed.

It’s a tough road sometimes. And being self employed and Promoting often gives the impression that you are self absorbed and self centered. In my shows I typically end after hitting a baby aspirin or mustard seed by saying that it is “HTTMH.” His Talet Through My Hands.

Although I don’t broadcast it, a year and a few months ago while mulching some oak moss from our 300 year old oak tree I got some spores in my lungs. That lead to eventually going into respotory failure. That lead to being intubated for four days. It looked bad. They couldn’t get my oxygen up and my I2 sat has been 64.

While Intubated I walked with Jesus. On a beach. He had a white robe and his face had a golden glow. After that my vitals shot up. I stabilized and two days later came off life support. I healed and became stronger and thank a god was back in the gym and on the road performing a short two months later. And doing some of the best shows of my life.

A walk with Jesus. That’s all it took. So I continue to give Him credit and hopefully inspire others to walk with him.

I fall short. I mess up. Sometimes I am not perceived or don’t act as humble As I should. But I know a perfect one. My eyes 20/8 came from him. My sunken chest is a disability. But He also gave me the eyes that I use in my shows.

Here’s a photo of day 4 in ICU after I came off Life Support. My best friend flew Doesn’t to help watch me while my wife rotated between our boys and me. See that smile? It tells you who i waked with. So big picture- always follow Jesus. All men fail and fall short. Jesus doesn’t.

Frank

That photo was day 4 in ICU, I had came off life support that day.

The nurses and docs couldn’t believe I was playing George Strait music and smiling.

I was supposed to have a second surgery after going home for a few weeks I went back for a consultation and follow up. The Doctor said he had never seen anyone rebound so fast from as sick as I was.

My oxygen sat was only 64 when I went to ER. They had given my wife an end of life decision book.

Jesus evidently decided it wasn’t my time yet. So i has more shows to do.

Frank

Stix Tell me the title. I can’t go to the link from my iPhone for some crazy reason

Frank

Stix Thank you. I just reread it. Glad you enjoyed it.

Thankfully the thread was better received than this one. Perhaps I should stick to that style post.

Have a good day and thank you again.

Frank

Frank you are one of the nicest, Christian, God fearing people I know. Like I said you were there for me when my brother died, calling me everyday to see if I was ok. Much appreciated. I will never forget that. Hang in there, my friend. Jawge

Thanks Jawge boy.

Frank

I should add that I have met you and seen your show and we broke bread together eating ons for that fine Maine lobstah down by the watah. Jawge

Fine memories. I like my lob-stah with But-tah.

Haha

There’s a benefit to being my friend. You eat well and we laugh a lot.

Denton Hill.

Frank, nice photos! Jawge

Good memories.

I like this thread again.

Haha

Thanks Jawge. You feel the same way I do about cyber bullies or bullies in general. It’s funny that they all act the same. What they don’t realize is their words and actions reflect more about them than the person they try and bully.

Appreciate you

Frank

Jealousy is a terrible thing, has anyone heard that before???? Keep moving forward Frank!!!

You bet. Thanks MB.

Frank

How is 4noltz@work or anyone else a cyber bully for having a difference of opinion.

If its just a difference of opinion then serial killers aren't wrong as there opinion is its ok to kill whoever they wish to.. get real.

Silverback- You’d have to know what Paul Harvey called “the rest of the story”. If you could read some of the posts with comments by Nolz and his friends on another site you’d see why I say that. It was a group that decided for whatever reason to say very unkind and non archery related comments about me/my show.

It went beyond a discussion. He’s milder on Leatherwall because the moderators here do a good job and demand folks respect each other. On that other site the bully’s ran the playground.

Anyway, it was comments that I can’t or wouldn’t repeat here. Spirited debate and discussion is one thing, insults cross the line.

Frank

I was going to leave this be..

It was some years back I only come here for the last 2 years probably.I haven't posted "mean" things on this thread.

You stated above in this very thread you have forgiven me.

If you talk the talk without walking the walk you are a Hypocrite.I hope the Christian talk isn't an Act.Maybe it's you who needs to let it go.

I did say I forgave you.

Of course you also said you would say what you had written to my face. I have some screen photos of some of those old comments. I can’t or won’t post them here.

Forgiving is easy. Forgetting will take time. If you can meet me in the middle perhaps we can move forward and even someday be friends.

Frank

If you can meet me in the middle perhaps we can move forward and even someday be friends.

Frank

There ya go, Mike. He's extending his hand to you.

What would it hurt for you and Frank to turn these ill feelings around and let bygones be bygones?

Frank,

Matthew 5:43-48. There's no stipulation in there about anyone meeting us in the middle.

Good point. Matthew is one of my favorite books of the Bible. Thanks for the reminder.

I just like to read about archery past ,present,,,,I like to hear about the shows,,it's a treat to see who you ran into for a picture,,,thanks frank JeffW

Thanks brother Jeff. It’s been a day or two, hope you are doing well.

My six year old signed more photos than I did today after the show at Rodeo. Now that my friend was very cool.

Frank

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