From: sir misalots
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Date: 13-Feb-19 |
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Watching a you tube video last night I saw a guy using 2 fletch arrows. His arrow flight looked great and I thought that I may try it in future arrow builds. Although they look strange I'm wondering on a well tuned arrow if there isn't a benefit to using two vs three feathers. Less drag and wind resistance. Less contact in pass through of game. Cost savings. I know a few of you use them, whats your thoughts?
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From: Bowmania
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Date: 13-Feb-19 |
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Well, I played with them. You're right less drag and wind resistance meaning less noise a really key factor.
I worked with 2 two inch feathers. Got perfect arrow flight without much change from 3 twos. Thought I had the set up and then I put on a big Snuffer and discovered it's wasn't.
Thinking it over, once the Snuffer was on I quit. I should have played a bit more to tune it. Might have been better with a smaller broadhead??? Don't care, I'm shooting the big Snuffer with 3 twos. I'm down to 6 inches of feather from 15 so I doubt that I'll revist it.
Bowmania
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From: deerhunt51
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Date: 13-Feb-19 |
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I bet two 4" would work fine.
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From: 2 bears
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Date: 13-Feb-19 |
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I like two fletch even though I don't use it all the time. Advantages beside the ones all ready mentioned. They stack nice,ride in a bow quiver without rubbing against other feathers,total clearance on the bow,and last but not least,every fourth arrow is free fletching. >>>>-------> Ken
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From: okiebones
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Date: 13-Feb-19 |
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It's also simple to do by hand without a fletching tool
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From: bowfitz
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Date: 13-Feb-19 |
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I have been using 2fletch for a couple yrs and like it,find the only difference between 2 and 3 being the 3 might be a little move forgiving of a bad release, and I mean little.That said you need to try it.
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From: osage
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Date: 13-Feb-19 |
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Are the two fletch put on horizontally, vertical or at some angle? Any helical or diagonal?
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From: Viper
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Date: 13-Feb-19 |
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SM -
There's absolutely NO advantage unless you're trying to save on feathers. Only catch is they have to be exactly 180* apart, if not, flight characteristics will suffer.
Viper out.
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From: Jim
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Date: 13-Feb-19 |
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Here we go again.
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From: 2 bears
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Date: 13-Feb-19 |
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O.K. there is Zero problem putting them 180 degrees apart. Fletch one feather--pull the arrow of the indexer turn the arrow 180 degrees --put it back on the indexer ---- add the second feather. No way for it to be off. If you don't see the advantage of them fitting in a bow quiver or laying flat,you haven't experienced it. ClEARANCE locate the top feather at 1: o'clock the bottom 180 degrees at 7: o'clock. for right hand Wala ZERO interference. To achieve 1 & 7 set the indexer at the cock feather and rotate it one notch to where the first hen feather would have been. install feather then rotate the SHAFT 180 degrees. Leave the indexer where it was. So simple I can do it quicker that I typed this. >>>>-----> Ken
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From: Orion
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Date: 13-Feb-19 |
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Viper and Jim X 2
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From: Dan W
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Date: 13-Feb-19 |
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Why beat a dead horse when you could be shooting a dead cow? (At least that's one that has a chance of achieving lift-off).
- I tried 2-fletch some years ago, and really put some effort into it. They did fly quite well 95% of the time (just field pts.) But when they didn't fly well- oboy, a whole 'nother ball game indeed- not just a little wobble or 1" off target, but great, spiraling giant propeller pinwheel flights. Very amusing to spectators, but after a few of those it was back to 3 or 4 fletch for me, no matter what size feather.
I could go back and try again; my techniques have cleaned up a lot over the past few years and I understand my equipment better, but bottom line I think Viper's right. Just used to like how they sat in the quiver & the time + $ savings preparing them. 180* apart was very easy. Yes, I'm a cheap and impatient old curmudgeon; but at least I now know my limitations.
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From: yorktown5
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Date: 13-Feb-19 |
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Aw Jerry, Tony, George et. al. we have to give some slack to those without enough time on the Wall to know about beating dead horses....just because we've been there-done that we can't assume others have absorbed our infinite wisdom of all things archery, ok?
Fletching exists to correct less than perfect arrow flight. A perfectly tuned and constructed arrow, released perfectly, in theory does not need fletching at all. BUT, we ain't perfect, nor are the components we use. So feathers act as rudders to offset erratic flight. Two fletch will work ok IF exactly 180 degrees opposite, with the same weight and are of identical shape) otherwise the arrow is out of balance. Three fletch or even four lessen the perfect balance problem.
So to Tony's point, two can work but as a practical matter, are not better/more accurate and are not quite as good at repairing the flight of a less than perfect human's release.
RickR
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From: okiebones
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Date: 13-Feb-19 |
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It works fine .
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From: 2 bears
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Date: 13-Feb-19 |
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The second arrow down those feathers appear to twist 1/2 Around the shaft.The others look different. I attach them all the same at exactly 180 degrees,slight off set or helix. 4" matching wing,parabolic,slight offset or helix,at 180 degrees. They fly just fine. Fletched that way might surprise you. Sloppy release or sloppy arrow building is hard to cover up.>>>-----> Ken
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 13-Feb-19 |
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yorktown5, this isn't Preston's first rodeo, he has been here awhile. But yes, there is always someone new and few people use, or know how to use the archive. Carry-on.
As for 2 fletch, yes...it's been talked about a lot, and is simply a personal choice...nothing more, nothing less.
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From: Therifleman
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Date: 13-Feb-19 |
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As Ken pointed out 2 fletch has an advantage with regard to feather clearance. Some form issues and/ or shelf configurations can benefit from its use. As always test with your broadheads to make sure it does what ypu need it to do.
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From: wmb238
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Date: 13-Feb-19 |
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I aim with my arrow like a shotgun barrel. With two feathers my sight is not obstructed. My zwickeys and grizzlies fly well.
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From: hockey7
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Date: 13-Feb-19 |
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Check out Jim Neaves of Centaur bows...it's all he uses, and with big broadheads.
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From: SB
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Date: 13-Feb-19 |
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I would think NO Fletch would be better than two!......especially for all you guys that like to waste your time bare shaft tuning!
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From: sir misalots
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Date: 13-Feb-19 |
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Funny how a thread can spark such emotion. I guess it was word "argument" in the title ;^)
George , you are correct.I may not have as many saddle sores to prove it , but I do feel like ive been rode hard and put up wet ...if that matters. lol
Shoot straight!
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From: fdp
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Date: 13-Feb-19 |
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The answer is to try them yourself and see what you decide.
Really it doesn't matter what any of us think or do.
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From: 3arrows
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Two fletch is harder to find when target is missed.
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From: Sawtooth (Original)
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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I think two fletch looks stupid on the arrow. And seriously- who is so broke that they can’t afford one more feather per arrow? AND where fletch clearance is concerned— really? If that one feather makes your arrows fly worse then you were doing something wrong anyway. BUT!!!! Until I start buying everybody’s fletching for them what I think does not matter. It’s just my opinion.
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From: Bowmania
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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I'd like to ask what's the advantage of clearence?
It's just an indicator or an untuned arrow. So if you need 2 fletch for clearence, I'd say go back to shooting a bare shaft and your fletched - two fletched in this case.
Bowmania, that's an odd question!!! What have you put in your coffee?.
Well, you get my point. Clearence is not an advantage or disadvantage for a two fletched arrow. The hole keeps getting deeper! LOL.
Bowmania
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From: 2fletch
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Twenty or so years ago I went through an experiment with 2 fletching. I was into primitive archery and was making self and backed bows and primitive arrows. After a seminar by James Parker and Vincent Minor I was inspired to experiment with some raw materials that were available. First thing on the list was to make an arrow out of dog fennel and to use 2 fletch. I shot that arrow at a 20 target 3-d tournament with surprising results, hitting all targets with no damage to the arrow.
My conclusion was that this would work well in a bind, but was no substitute for a good 3 or 4 fletch. It was more sensitive to a poor release, to contact with leaves or vines between you and the target, and to any damage to the fletching. You can often shoot damaged 3 or 4 fletching with no negative results. That's like having a margin for error.
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From: 2 bears
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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Todd the clearance idea is addressed to new folks and the tuning impaired. Every one is not a pro or has 50 years experience. Many on this site still say bare shaft is a waist of time. Every one should read the op's post. He saw good flight with 2 fletch. He stated the advantages and asked for thoughts. I am assuming he expected thoughts from folks that had actually tried it. Why all the argument? If you like it fine if you don't that is fine too. If you try it you might like it. One thing is certain either you will or you won't,until then you will never know. It is not a new thing. the first time this came up I believe I stated I saw an example of 2 fletch in an American Indian museum. I tried it. I like it not for all occasions. I still shoot 3 fletch too.Have a good day. >>>>-----> Ken
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From: Nemophilist
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Date: 14-Feb-19 |
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"LOL" Bow season better get here quick.
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