My foray into the carbon world continues. Settled on full length 600 with 145 gr points. Ended up at around 357 gr total weight, 9 GPP and 16.6 FOC.

Want to look into the skinny carbon arrows that are available. Many years ago before carbon was the in thing, I had some full length Bemans. Have no idea what spine they were, but they flew incredibly well. Need a place to start so looking for make/models of skinny's. Thanks!

Carbon express predator, easton axis, beman centershot to name a few. It really depends how much ya wanna spend. The best skinny ive shot is the carbon express maxima pro recurve. They guarantee .0025 straightness throughout the entire 32" shaft as most are only 28" straightness tolerance. Good luck, picking the carbon youll be happy with is tricky, it can get expensive with a quickness.

Widowmakers.

I like 'standard' carbons that take a .244 insert and 'S' or 'Super' nocks. Skinny enough, take a 5/16 head.

Also cheaper. If you look at comparable shafts from the same company the price goes up as diameter goes down. I'd rather spend the difference on good feathers.

Unless you're shooting long distances where cross-wind is an issue, I see no advantage to the skinnies.

I recently switched from from 600 to 700s & the selection of 700s is nowhere near 600s or stiffer I'm looking for a tougher & heavier gpi than the gt warrior & most are the skinny shafts Oslo the op didn't say but may have riser past center issues. another possible reason for skinny shafts

I am still, as far as I know, the Canadian distrutor for Widowmaker Smash arrows. Check out the Website for these arrows from Australia.

DDave

I did not read carefully. Widowmakers are heavier arrows for heavier bows and weakest spine rating is 400.

DDave

The daysixgear arrows are pretty impressive, micro diameter with very thick sidewalls, heavy GPI and very durable, but pricey, but the price works itself out since they are more durable. I'll be weaning myself off the Victory VAP bandwagon for them for my faster bows.

Black Eagle instinct. S 69 for 6 steel 100 grain outsert. 600 -350 spine

I like the Beman MFX Classic 600 I got on sale from 3 Rivers.They are 8 GPI and come with Easton HIT 75-50 gr inserts.Quite a bit skinnyer than Beman' 500 ICS Bowhunters I got for another bow or the Axis Trad 400.

If what you're shooting now works, Easton Axis in 600s should work. Might need to add a little more point weight though.

I believe if most people had a spine tester with a gauge for straightness, they wouldn't be shooting carbon. Arrows like ACC's and FMJ's are much straighter and consistent in spine.

That said, in archery there's always give and take, what you gain on one side of the fence you loose on the other. They're not as durable as a straight carbon, but more durable than aluminum.

Bowmania

Personally, the Victory Archery Carbon Trad is worth looking into. Either the .650 spine or .550 spine is heavier gpi then all the other .600 spined shafts and they make a great hunting arrow with a gpi at 10.5 for the .550 spine and 10.1 for the .650 spine. Use Ethics Archery half out for a tough lil arrow. I'm playing with the .550 spined shafts with 60 grain half outs and 125 grain heads out of a 48# recurve. I can build an arrow over 500 grains to use out of a 48# stick easy. I can do the same with the .650 spine from lighter bows as well.

I have to disagree with the FMJ. I like FMJ's, shot then for a very long time, still have several of the original ones Easton sent me in 2007. But in today's world, we're seeing carbons running .001, and I know of no one that can tell the difference in a .001 and a .003 carbon shaft. Spine consistency around the shaft is great on a lot of the high end shafts, just like the fmj. And with guys shooting carbon shafts with fixed bladed heads from modern bows at over 300 fps, any variation in spine would show when they shoot at 50, 60, or 80 yards.

I've seen FMJ's bend now, some with the HIT insert, some behind the HIT insert. The HIT insert was a good idea at the time, but now better components are being made that make carbon shafts almost indestructible. The fmj is a great shaft, no doubt about it, but just not the holy grail of arrow some wanna make it out to be.

I'm tuning some Black Eagle X-Impact arrows now. They are impressive.

Geez, do I ever need to learn some here. I've just been shooting Cabelas Arrows!

Arrows that 'impress' me are the ones that fly perfectly from the bow. Don't matter what they are made of, or how much they cost. Fat, skinny, pleasingly plump, average...slim jim. It don't matter. Find an arrow that works then learn to shoot the dang thing accurately. Carbon, aluminum, wood, carbon/aluminum, bamboo...it doesn't matter except for how well they fly and where they hit. But anyway have fun. ;)

Hard not to buy Easton, Beeman or Carbon Express arrows. I’m happy with almost all the traditional offerings.

Hard not to buy Easton, Beeman or Carbon Express arrows. I’m happy with almost all the traditional offerings. The CX Hetitage is almost a perfect balance between aluminum and wood..add the strength of carbon.

The CX Heritage carbons have worked very well for me. They are the only carbons I shoot. I got a friend who runs an archery shop. He says he would not shoot a CX arrow. Guess opinions are like tail ends.....everybody has one.

This guy speaks the truth! Watch out for those who speak with a forked tongue.

I believe if most people had a spine tester with a gauge for straightness, they wouldn't be shooting carbon. Arrows like ACC's and FMJ's are much straighter and consistent in spine. That said, in archery there's always give and take, what you gain on one side of the fence you loose on the other. They're not as durable as a straight carbon, but more durable than aluminum. Bowmania

I will add that any carbon can be difficult to pull from a foam target. As the Wenel brothers suggest, I wipe them with Armorall Silicone. This applies to ACC shafts that have carbon outside and aluminum inside.

FMJ shafts are thinner than ACC shafts and since the carbon is inside and aluminum outside no problem pulling from targets. The silicone makes them even easier to pull.

Considering the healthy assortment of arrow types around here, it is my conclusion that I should shoot one of the above. There may be something new on the market that I have no need to know about. There are enough arrows around here to last however long I may live, as long as I do not exceed 100 years old AND continue shooting until the last day.

I have reached a similar point that my grandfather announced to me one day - enough fishing tackle to easily last the rest of his life.

I gave every XX75 and XX78 to my friend’s 12 year old son who is the next generation archer and bow hunting fanatic. He is in arrow heaven.

Buglmin, You know your correct. I did my testing on shafts that can be bought for 150 or less. And I really don't like the FMJ, because of the dumb HIT.

Spine is much better than it used to be. The first 2 doz carbons, I bought I floated before fletching. And I was very late into the carbon scene, they had a seam.

I did test one set of shafts close to 200 bucks with a straigtness of .0025. I'll take an ACC and spend the extra 50 on tequila or maybe the champagne of bottle beer. Those bottles do have a spine, but I always use a felt tip to mark the bottle and my hand so it's in the same spot each time.

You can tell it's -25 below in WI.

Bowmania

Another shaft to consider if you're ok w a little more weight are the black eagle instincts.

Ive had great luck w the old beman mfx. I really like the skinny carbons.

Some other old skinny ones were the Cabela's SST, AFC, both are discontinued now but can still be found occasionally on Ebay or other places. I personally shout the STT 240 and AFC 2400 and have a lifetime supply of them. Also have some AFC 2540 and AFC 2300 that I no longer shoot.

I think I am an Easton Axis guy. I use them for 3d and hunting. I also have a set of Black Eagle Instinct Trad shafts I tuned as hunting arrows but I do not like "outserts".... I used the 80gr AL ones.

Not to hijack the thread but I had so much trouble getting any of the outserts to seat properly. I am an engineer so I understand fitment and there is just not enought quality control or size tolerance. I had to sand and sand the shafts down to fit the outserts. I really like the final Black Eagle arrow I ended up with BUT the Easton Axis is a lot easier.

Bill

Bowmania -

Great idea to spring for refreshments. Try Bollinger champagne, better than the famous Don Perignon. $50 will cover it.

If you like Canadian whisky you may wish to try Forty Creek Barrel Select. It is from a small distiller in Ontario. By far the smoothest and best tasting of any whisky, whiskey, or bourbon. For some unknown reason the Ohio liquor control board took it off the list and so no longer sold here. $50 will buy 3 bottles.

Whatever you get I’ll be glad to invite you over for fishing or shooting and a stay in the cabin by the house.

Stay warm.

Ok I will he the one to agree with Bowmania. Any arrow (most skinny carbons) thay have the HIT inserts do not hold up well to stump shooting or rocks (if you live in NM). I broke every arrow that I shot thru a bush or stump right behind the point. Any deflection of the point and the arrow shaft will take the impact and crack.

I went back to a standard size arrow because the point and insert can handle deflection better than the shaft.

Good luck!

Rick 3 - count me in too. I also agreed with Bowmania. Don’t leave me out here in the cold.

Did you try reinforcing the arrows with a section of arrow shaft for the last inch or two? Arrows should not require a rebuild before shooting so they don’t break for stump shooting.

Same here with the regular size arrows - some I have shot hundreds of times with no breakage.

Black Eagle Instincts would probably be bad bets for ethafoam or artificial backstop material...because of the bulbous outsert. Nice looking tho, and cheap. I didn't buy mine...somebody lost it at the range.

Sorry Fisher! Didn't see you there... I didn't try to foot the shafts, but I would be worried that thay would defeat the purpose of skinny arrows. It would also cause more issues with pulling arrows from a foam target.

Take Care!

Beman centershots are thin diameter and penetrate great

Todd, I loved the fmj, still think it's a great shaft. We shoot a lot of arrows through a shooting machine, and if every arrow was the same in a dozen, they would all group together, hit in the same hole.... But not all do.

I'm shooting Element Archery's Fire and Ice shafts now, have for two years. Yessir, they are only .004 in straightness, but the spine consistently is a lot better than a lot of higher dollar arrows. And with the carbon weave, one of the toughest shafts I've used and had the chance to beat up.

As for bring hard to pull out of a 3D target, I've yet to see a carbon shaft now days that's tough to pull from a target. In the 90's, we used soap and silicon spray on our carbon arrows. Haven't had to do this now for a few years. We used to float test shafts in the bathtub, Randy Ulmer showed me this in the 90's when we used aluminum for 3d's. Now, I sit at the archery shop and play with spine testers and shooting machines.

And fyi, I do have several dozen FMJ's, love the autumn orange, have a few dozen in the 5mm before they dropped them. The Deep Six is a great shaft, if you use a good half out that allows you to use regular tips instead of the deep six stuff.

And George, pleasantly plump?

I’ve shoot HIT insert Beeman shafts into concrete at 200 FPS..there is no problem with HIT inserts.

Trader take a look at Deer Crossing Archery. The make a SD hunter arrow ( not sure if they make a 600 spine) but the 500 has a OD of .232 and a ID of .166. They make a aluminum outsert 30gr and a stainless one that is 120 gr. I bought some shafts and the aluminum 30gr. Outserts and I’m very impressed with these arrows. Worth a look.

I never thought about what might happen to my Axis arrow if I missed... Hasn't happened yet... LOL

Ha, it's cold out.

Bill

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