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Swap Bow Build-a-long

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Bobmeister 15-Dec-18
Bobmeister 15-Dec-18
Bobmeister 15-Dec-18
Bassman 15-Dec-18
Bobmeister 15-Dec-18
Bobmeister 15-Dec-18
Bobmeister 15-Dec-18
Bassman 15-Dec-18
bodymanbowyer 15-Dec-18
Jim Keller 15-Dec-18
crookedstix 15-Dec-18
Bud B. 15-Dec-18
Nemah 15-Dec-18
Bobmeister 15-Dec-18
Pa Steve 16-Dec-18
Dry Bones 16-Dec-18
BATMAN 16-Dec-18
Iwander 16-Dec-18
Canadian_Archer 16-Dec-18
Stoner 16-Dec-18
Bobmeister 16-Dec-18
Bobmeister 16-Dec-18
Bobmeister 16-Dec-18
Bobmeister 17-Dec-18
Bobmeister 17-Dec-18
Bobmeister 17-Dec-18
Bobmeister 17-Dec-18
Bobmeister 17-Dec-18
Bobmeister 17-Dec-18
Bobmeister 17-Dec-18
Bobmeister 17-Dec-18
Bobmeister 17-Dec-18
Benbow 17-Dec-18
Bobmeister 17-Dec-18
Bobmeister 18-Dec-18
Bobmeister 18-Dec-18
Bobmeister 18-Dec-18
chazz847 18-Dec-18
PEARL DRUMS 18-Dec-18
Bobmeister 18-Dec-18
Jim Keller 18-Dec-18
Bobmeister 18-Dec-18
Bobmeister 18-Dec-18
Bobmeister 18-Dec-18
bodork 18-Dec-18
woodinhand 18-Dec-18
PEARL DRUMS 19-Dec-18
LightPaw 19-Dec-18
Bobmeister 19-Dec-18
Bobmeister 19-Dec-18
Bobmeister 19-Dec-18
Bobmeister 19-Dec-18
PEARL DRUMS 19-Dec-18
VJ 19-Dec-18
Jim Keller 19-Dec-18
Rick 3 19-Dec-18
Pa Steve 19-Dec-18
bodork 19-Dec-18
Dry Bones 19-Dec-18
oldhunter1942 20-Dec-18
greyghost 20-Dec-18
Bassman 20-Dec-18
Bobmeister 20-Dec-18
Bobmeister 20-Dec-18
Bobmeister 20-Dec-18
Draven 20-Dec-18
bearfootin 20-Dec-18
Jim Keller 20-Dec-18
PEARL DRUMS 21-Dec-18
Huntdux 21-Dec-18
PECO 21-Dec-18
Stoner 21-Dec-18
MStyles 21-Dec-18
ductape 21-Dec-18
Supernaut 21-Dec-18
Oldbowyer 21-Dec-18
PEARL DRUMS 31-Dec-18
From: Bobmeister
Date: 15-Dec-18




Let me start off with a little background . About a year or so ago +- I had a recurve bow I made in the classifides and got a PM inquiring about it. I immediately recognized his handle and thought this guy makes awesome selfbows. So I said hey do you want to trade for one of your selfies? and he said yes butt he would half to build one for me. well off went my recurve to Pearl and a few months later I get this gorgeous osage selfbow in the mail. What a great trade with a great guy and the bow isn't to shabby either :>)

Well fast forward a year later this summer and I get a message from Chris asking if I would want to do another trade. Heck yeah I will! but I need to wait until the snow flies to get some shop time. Anyway he asked about a 62" three piece curve and this is the build-a-long for it. Now the riser on this bow was glued up and blocked out rough from some bows I made last winter.

From: Bobmeister
Date: 15-Dec-18

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The limbs will be Red Elm with Ebony diamondwood . Here is the material that I will cut the laminations from on the bandsaw.

From: Bobmeister
Date: 15-Dec-18

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Got the lams and wedges cut on the bandsaw and ready to grind to spec on the drum sander. These limbs will have a total .003" taper rate so I will use a .0015" taper sled to grind them.

From: Bassman Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 15-Dec-18




Because Pearl was a drummer he pairs those staves down with rhythm, and accuracy.

From: Bobmeister
Date: 15-Dec-18




Smile.....

You got that right Bassman.

From: Bobmeister
Date: 15-Dec-18

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Here are all the parts before glue up. Chris wanted to now if I could stain the the limbs darker to go with the Ebony in the riser. I used gray/silver water based stain from Binghams to accomplish the task.

From: Bobmeister
Date: 15-Dec-18




Forgot to mention that we will be running a strip of Stale-core down the center between the Elm core.

From: Bassman Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 15-Dec-18




Beautiful.

From: bodymanbowyer
Date: 15-Dec-18




Cool,so far :-) JF

From: Jim Keller
Date: 15-Dec-18




I love build a longs. Thanks

From: crookedstix
Date: 15-Dec-18




That dark stain on the red elm is downright elegant!

From: Bud B.
Date: 15-Dec-18




Following!

From: Nemah
Date: 15-Dec-18




What's Stale-core? RKK

From: Bobmeister
Date: 15-Dec-18




Sorry I ment Stabil-Kore.

From: Pa Steve
Date: 16-Dec-18




This is going to be great. Red elm is one of my favorite veneers. Way under used imo. Thanks for taking us along Bobmeister.

From: Dry Bones
Date: 16-Dec-18




Watching impatiently. :D

-Bones

From: BATMAN
Date: 16-Dec-18




I'm with ^ DRY BOANES X2 ! BLESSED BE!

From: Iwander
Date: 16-Dec-18




Amazing as usual Bob. The only additional improvement I can imagine is a "Bobcat" quiver. Steve

From: Canadian_Archer
Date: 16-Dec-18




Super Sexy !

From: Stoner
Date: 16-Dec-18




Got my popcorn, waiting patiently.....hurry up already. LOL. John

From: Bobmeister
Date: 16-Dec-18

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Preparing for glue up I weigh out the EA-40 to the proper amount on a scale. When I do a pair of limbs with these amount of laminations it requires 64 grams of bow-snot.

From: Bobmeister
Date: 16-Dec-18

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When applying the glue I put down butcher paper with the glossy side face down (it has wax that can contaminate the gluing surface). You can see in the background one limb already in the form with zip-ties. The zip-ties will be pulled after partial air up.

From: Bobmeister
Date: 16-Dec-18

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How come my pics are coming out sideways??????

Ok every thing looks good, aired up zips pulled and ready to put to bed in the hotbox for four hours at 175*.

In this particular form I can build a 60" one piece bow, LIF limbs ( medium or longs) or bolt down limbs as we are doing here.

From: Bobmeister
Date: 17-Dec-18

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Limbs are out of the form and ready to be cleaned up..

From: Bobmeister
Date: 17-Dec-18

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Using the edge sander I will clean off the excess glue down to the wood and glass.

From: Bobmeister
Date: 17-Dec-18

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After the boogers are cleaned off we need to check flatness . The cast iron cabinet saw top works perfect for this.

From: Bobmeister
Date: 17-Dec-18

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The flattest side is selected and put down on the conveyor bed on the drum sander. I will proceed to grind from 1.75" wide down to 1.58" wide making sure that I flip them end to end and side to side every time I make a pass. This will ensure that they come out nice and parallel for layout and fitment.

From: Bobmeister
Date: 17-Dec-18




Back to the edge sander to square up the butt end of the limb, I will take off about a 1/16" to clean it up.

From: Bobmeister
Date: 17-Dec-18




Using the drill press and drilling jig I made we will drill the 5/16" limb bolt hole and the two 1/4" indexing holes. There are a lot better ways of doing this but I have just never gotten around to building the tooling for it.

From: Bobmeister
Date: 17-Dec-18




We've got holes, lets see how they bout up.

From: Bobmeister
Date: 17-Dec-18




We have dead nuts straight four point contact on the straight edge . I love when things come out square true and accurate :>)

No further fitting will be necessary, we can use centerline of the limb for profile layout and they will track straight.

From: Bobmeister
Date: 17-Dec-18




Now we can cut the limbs to length. I have clamped the port-a-band saw in the vise and will trim the ends and then lay out the profile shape and cut it close to the but not on the layout line. Then sand to the line on the edge sander.

I use the port-a-band because it has a bi-metal blade and cuts fiberglass really well, also saving the blade on the 14" bandsaw witch are a lot more expensive.

From: Benbow
Date: 17-Dec-18




What fun! That'll be a real looker! Ben

From: Bobmeister
Date: 17-Dec-18




I just couldn't wait so I mounted them up and pulled it to 28" on the tiller blocks. 58.82# @ 28" keep in mind I sill haven't profiled them yet. Chris wanted between 48-52 so it will come down to around 51-52# when all is done.

From: Bobmeister
Date: 18-Dec-18




Tips and overlays have been glued on and limbs rough profiled. So it's time to file in the sting groves. I will use a 5/32 chainsaw file and some abrasive cored to clean them up smooth.

From: Bobmeister
Date: 18-Dec-18




Just realized we need a string for this thing. Here I'm putting together a 16 strand BCY-X two-tone (green and brown) endless loop and served with .025 Halo serving . Nocks should fit perfect with this combo .

From: Bobmeister
Date: 18-Dec-18




Got it braced , tiller looks great and the 59" string gives it a 7-5/8 brace height.

Pressing Onward and Forward to start shaping a bow out of all this square stuff we've glued together............

From: chazz847
Date: 18-Dec-18




Looks good!!

From: PEARL DRUMS
Date: 18-Dec-18




Bob, that bow is amazing. I cant wait to get my hands on it and let some arrows fly. The dyed elm looks every bit as good as I had hoped. It will melt right into the side of a tree when I'm hunting with it. Im moving on your side of this swap as well. Got some great WDB skins from Mr. Yancy. Gotta have skins on wiggly osage limbs!

From: Bobmeister
Date: 18-Dec-18




:>) I love wiggly ......

From: Jim Keller
Date: 18-Dec-18




Looks great!!

From: Bobmeister
Date: 18-Dec-18




Shaping the limb butts I bolt them down to this little jig thats the right angle then round the end to bend them in to the riser nicely .

From: Bobmeister
Date: 18-Dec-18




After the limbs are shaped and sanded I will start shaping the riser. I layout a line on the back and start to take off every thing that I don't want with the edge sander, the off to the spindle sander and some other specialty tools. Then some file work and the 5" orbital palm sander starting with 100 grit then 220 grit.

From: Bobmeister
Date: 18-Dec-18




Getting close , all sanded just need to do some fine tillering , put some arrows through it until I'm satisfied .

Next I will show how I stipple the grip....

From: bodork
Date: 18-Dec-18




That's just one beautiful bow! Love the riser!!

From: woodinhand
Date: 18-Dec-18




OUTSTANDING!!!

From: PEARL DRUMS
Date: 19-Dec-18




That riser combo is a thing of beauty. Im going to be strutting around like a rooster with that jewel in my hand.

From: LightPaw
Date: 19-Dec-18




Amazing - Thanks for sharing!

From: Bobmeister
Date: 19-Dec-18




First I draw out the exact shape I want then use a 1/16 round bitt in the dermal and make a trench all the way around.

From: Bobmeister
Date: 19-Dec-18




Next I draw out some reference lines so I can develop a pattern and they keep me on track so the pattern will come out uniform .

From: Bobmeister
Date: 19-Dec-18




Then using a 3/32 round bitt I start filling in the field trying to stay parallel with the reference lines. Takes about 45 minutes to do a grip.

From: Bobmeister
Date: 19-Dec-18




Then you get something like this when done.

From: PEARL DRUMS
Date: 19-Dec-18




GOOOOOD gravy Mr Davis!!!!!

From: VJ
Date: 19-Dec-18




Great job Bobmeister!!! really love the way you utilize one form to do multiple layups.. Your mosaic accents are super also... love to see a build along on those!!

From: Jim Keller
Date: 19-Dec-18




Man, that's a beautiful bow. Enjoy that one Pearl. Thanks for taking us along. Jim

From: Rick 3
Date: 19-Dec-18




That is BEAUTIFUL!!!! Great Job!

From: Pa Steve
Date: 19-Dec-18




No wonder Chris is excited. That bow is beautiful. Excellent craftsmanship. Thanks for taking us along.

From: bodork
Date: 19-Dec-18




You sure you didn't take a Blacktail riser, sand the finish off, and then stippel it? Take that as a compliment because that riser is off the charts! Love it!!

From: Dry Bones
Date: 19-Dec-18




Amazing. Gotta love that look. Waiting to see the whole package together.

-Bones

From: oldhunter1942
Date: 20-Dec-18




I have one of your recurves, great little bow.

From: greyghost
Date: 20-Dec-18




Awesome looking bow

From: Bassman Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 20-Dec-18




A work of art,very nice.

From: Bobmeister
Date: 20-Dec-18




Its had a lot of shop time at 6 yards but we need top take it for a test drive around the block.

20yds

Seems to like 30" FMJ 400 with 50gr inserts and 125gr point.

Riser is cut 1/8" past centerline so a stiff arrow works nice.

From: Bobmeister
Date: 20-Dec-18




Let me give you a TIP don't eat the yellow snow.....

From: Bobmeister
Date: 20-Dec-18




All done Chris its 51.4#@28

Merry Christmas to every and hope you enjoyed the ride.......................

From: Draven
Date: 20-Dec-18




Great looking bow!

From: bearfootin Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 20-Dec-18




WHAT. !!!! You gonna trade that thing.. Very nice job.

From: Jim Keller
Date: 20-Dec-18




That’s about as pretty a riser as I’ve seen. And that grip looks perfect. Great job. Jim

From: PEARL DRUMS
Date: 21-Dec-18




You hit that out the park. That riser combo and dyed elm is a perfect pair. I have a bunch of .400 & .500 FMJs I can try. I may stick with woodies though. I just love the warmth of them.

You are putting the heat on my butt! I need to get yours done ASAP :)

From: Huntdux
Date: 21-Dec-18




What a piece of art. Amazing!

From: PECO
Date: 21-Dec-18




Very well done!

From: Stoner
Date: 21-Dec-18




OH MY, Well done sir. John

From: MStyles
Date: 21-Dec-18




Top craftsmanship, well done!

From: ductape
Date: 21-Dec-18




That's just a down right beautiful bow. Excellent work Bobmeister!

From: Supernaut
Date: 21-Dec-18




Beautiful bow and I really enjoyed the build along, thank you sir!

From: Oldbowyer
Date: 21-Dec-18




Bow looks great Bobmeister

From: PEARL DRUMS
Date: 31-Dec-18




I received the bow a few days ago. It shoots every bit as good as it looks. Im a total wood arrow addict. I shot some FMJs and some 23/64 73# woodies. I'll stick with the wood for now. They are more quiet and every bit as accurate. The bow with the wood shafts is nearly as silent as a well tuned RD bow would be. Fabulous work Bob! Thanks again and again.





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