From: skeet
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Date: 26-Nov-18 |
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I have a black widow pma that is 51 lbs at 28 inch draw. I draw 26 3/4 and have been having a heck of a time finding the right arrow. So far my best luck has been a Easton 400 shaft cut to 28 inches with 150 up front but it still isn't perfect. was thinking of trying a 350 spine what are your all opinion. Thank you for any advise
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From: bergie
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Date: 26-Nov-18 |
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go to a Beman 500 center shot I love them
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From: timex
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Date: 26-Nov-18 |
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I'm no expert but I think your going the wrong way.your pulling roughly 48# I think .600s 28- 29" & 150-175 points would be close
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From: Mountain Man
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Date: 26-Nov-18 |
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Not a carbon guy but I’d go down on stiffness not up Your an inch and a quarter under draw weight so 46-47# What are the 400’s doing that they aren’t perfect Try a 500
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From: 2 bears
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Date: 26-Nov-18 |
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You are going the wrong way. With that short of a draw it should be too stiff. >>>----> Ken
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From: Andy Man
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Date: 26-Nov-18 |
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500 with 175 grain point
cut 27 or 27 1/2
BW PTF here 49#@26" and draw 26" bare shaft good
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From: DanaC
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Date: 26-Nov-18 |
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500's but start at full length, trim a little at a time.
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From: Orion
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Date: 26-Nov-18 |
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Yep. Shafts are too stiff. Either add another 100 grains up front or go to a .500 shaft.
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From: Bender
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Date: 26-Nov-18 |
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I believe the previous suggestions are correct. But check this out:
https://www.fenderarchery.com/blogs/archery-info/basic-tuning
Using the information there you can determine for your self exactly which direction you need to go for your next set of arrows.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 26-Nov-18 |
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There are always exceptions to every rule, but your arrows are too stiff and rather than fight it with tip weight, why not get the right arrow to start. Maybe 10% of the people shooting that same setup can shoot a 400, but most won't. The above suggestions of 500 or even 600 are valid.
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From: Rick 3
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Date: 26-Nov-18 |
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Get some 500's (I like GT's). Cut the arrows to 29" and put on a regular insert and nock with a 125 gr point and bare shaft tune at the shop (if you have a good one nearby). Cut down the arrow 1/4 of an inch at a time to get your spine correct. I would almost bet that the first cut down to 29" will be perfect.
I shoot a 54# recurve at 29" draw and a 29.5" GT 500 Traditional is perfect. When I shoot a 400 I have to leave the shaft full length, use a 50gr insert with a 50gr weight and a 125gr point.
Good luck!
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From: skeet
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Date: 26-Nov-18 |
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Thank you all for the advise I really appreciate it
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From: sheepdogreno
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Date: 27-Nov-18 |
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start with full length 500s..i like beman ics bowhunters they are cheap and durable to boot...and full length is something like 31.5 inches gives you plenty of tuning room.
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From: Jim
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Date: 27-Nov-18 |
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Skeet, before you go buying a bunch of that carbon, come by the house and try some of mine that I don't use..........Jim
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From: DanaC
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Date: 27-Nov-18 |
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I got to say, I always get a laugh out of suggestions to 'cut first, *then* shoot.'
Start full length!! You may find that the arrows are *still* too stiff, and it's easier to deal with if you haven't chopped two inches off them. (Or just re-sell 'em.)
The first time I ordered cut-to-length carbons they were so stiff I had to use way more tip weight than I wanted. If you want 200+ grains up front that's fine. Otherwise, it's better to 'sneak up on' the correct length.
If and when you do decide to cut, start with small increments. Half as much as you 'think'. It's easy to cut again, impossible to un-cut.
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From: David McLendon
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Date: 27-Nov-18 |
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Carbon tends to react quicker to a change in length than to a change in tip weight so cut small and take your time leaving them slightly weak on bare shaft due to fletching stiffening them up a bit. Once cut you can't put it back and when you think you have it right, shoot your bare shafts for a while before fletching, like a week to really be able to tell. It'll help you in more ways than one as you may learn more about your form and release that feathers hide. I number my shafts during the time that I shoot them bare so that I can identify any that might be consistently acting differently.
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From: Skeets
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Date: 27-Nov-18 |
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My handle is "Skeets". I don't shoot carbons at all. I shoot a BW PLX, 43 lbs at 28" cut to 27.5" with 175 grn tips. I shoot 1916 aluminums and a 2016 works. I usually sign off as "Skeet" but I will have to change that! Skeets
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From: jk
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Date: 27-Nov-18 |
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Full length bronze inserts will reduce spine, increase front-of-center, and make the arrow tougher. Just a thought. No more aluminum for me.
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From: deerhunt51
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Date: 27-Nov-18 |
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Don' forget to try cock feather in on those 500 spine arrows if you don't get perfect flight. Sometimes it works great!
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From: skeet
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Date: 27-Nov-18 |
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Thanks again everyone for the great advise. I'm going to have my dad bring me a few 500 up tomorrow of my nephews and will bare shaft them. Thanks
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From: Bassman
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Date: 27-Nov-18 |
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I shoot a 31.5 inch long full length 400 ICS hunter out of my Bear 42lb. Kodiak with 160 gr head that tunes great.Cuts my gap down, and gives me a 460 gr arrow. For me perfect for hunting.If you haven,t already cut all your 400,s to 28 inches, try a full length arrow ,and adjust your tip weight. No reason why you shouldn,t be able to tune that bow properly with that combo unless you are dead against shooting a full length shaft.
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From: Jim McCann
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Date: 27-Nov-18 |
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I recently did a tuning session (several, actually) with my Black Widow PMA II, 51#s at 30 inches draw length.
I'd been messing with some 5575s I had for many years and that were built for a heavier BW bow that was stolen from me.
My rookie guess was that GT 340s might really do the trick for me since I want to use a heavy insert and a BH of 160 grains or so.
Put a GT brass 100-grain insert into the 340 shaft and left it at 32 inches. I started with a 175-grain field tip, and I was prepared to have them cut the shaft a wee bit at a time until I was satisfied the shafts went where I wanted them and they were straight as an arrow in the target.
Got lucky. The bare shaft flew rather well, over and over albeit a slight hair right nock. Located a rare 160-grain field tip and it hit the target straight each time. Couldn't ask for anything more.
Fletched some up. Just shot them for about an hour and had a blast! They fly wonderfully and I was slapping feathers at 20 yards.
I'm new to tuning arrows to a recurve, but I'm a believer on having other size shafts on hand to test and to be prepared to cut the shaft down a very little bit at a time if need be.
I guess I'd suggest anyone buying a new bow just spend the extra cash and buy an arrow test kit along with it.
Just my humble opinion. YMMV
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From: skeet
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Date: 06-Dec-18 |
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Got some 500 spine arrows cut to 28 inches 125 up front flew beautifully thank you all
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