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Drag-A-Matic 2000

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Eric Krewson 06-Nov-18
Eric Krewson 06-Nov-18
76aggie 06-Nov-18
deerfly 06-Nov-18
indianalongbowshoote 06-Nov-18
Supernaut 06-Nov-18
DanaC 06-Nov-18
Franklin 06-Nov-18
Babysaph 06-Nov-18
LBshooter 06-Nov-18
Clydebow 06-Nov-18
Ihunts2much 06-Nov-18
GF 06-Nov-18
Jon Stewart 06-Nov-18
Murray Seratt 07-Nov-18
Tom McCool 07-Nov-18
Eric Krewson 07-Nov-18
indianalongbowshoote 07-Nov-18
eddie c 07-Nov-18
Eric Krewson 07-Nov-18
Jon Stewart 07-Nov-18
Kodiak 07-Nov-18
eddie c 07-Nov-18
DarrinG 07-Nov-18
RonG 07-Nov-18
babysaph 07-Nov-18
GF 07-Nov-18
1Longbow 07-Nov-18
tonto59 07-Nov-18
olddogrib 07-Nov-18
1/2miledrag 07-Nov-18
Silverhawk 08-Nov-18
Eric Krewson 08-Nov-18
Eric Krewson 08-Nov-18
babysaph 08-Nov-18
skinnyindian 08-Nov-18
Live2hunt 08-Nov-18
Eric Krewson 08-Nov-18
RonG 08-Nov-18
Live2hunt 08-Nov-18
Jon Stewart 08-Nov-18
Eric Krewson 08-Nov-18
Eric Krewson 08-Nov-18
Bentstick54 08-Nov-18
Live2hunt 09-Nov-18
BuzAL 09-Nov-18
Eric Krewson 10-Nov-18
Eric Krewson 10-Nov-18
1/2miledrag 10-Nov-18
mangonboat 11-Nov-18
Eric Krewson 11-Nov-18
timex 11-Nov-18
timex 11-Nov-18
Kodiak 11-Nov-18
Eric Krewson 12-Nov-18
From: Eric Krewson
Date: 06-Nov-18

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I finished my latest hairbrained invention, I call it the Dear-Drag-A-Matic 2000. Much better than the former deer drag-a-matic 600, this one had 100 feet of mule tape, variable working load of either 600 or 2000 pound pull and attaches to the tree straight on facing the deer. It has one drill driver and two 20V batteries to supply the power.

Don't know if it will work yet, I have to find a deer that wants to be dragged, not an easy task.

At 71 With back problems and a repaired hernia I may have ripped back open it is either come up with some dragging help or quit hunting.

From: Eric Krewson
Date: 06-Nov-18




You would think I would no how to spell DEER.

From: 76aggie
Date: 06-Nov-18




If it works like you think it will you may really want to call it DEAR.

From: deerfly
Date: 06-Nov-18




has potential, but needs some mossey oak camo paint before you can market it to the masses.

Could double as a hoist for skinning and butchering or getting your truck unstuck too.

Lots of possibilities as long as the drill and batteries hold up

From: indianalongbowshoote
Date: 06-Nov-18




good idea but that's what they make 4 wheelers for, best investment I ever made for getting deer out of the woods, doesn't matter how deep the ravine or how far in the woods they are if you have permission to use one you can get them out. Just carry some extra rope to add to winch cable for the ones that want to die in the deepest holler. I don't use mine for pleasure riding strictly a work 4 wheeler, have hauled hundreds of ricks of wood and probably a 70-80 deer out of the woods.

From: Supernaut
Date: 06-Nov-18




Great idea, hope it works. Wish I lived closer and you wouldn't need a Drag-a-matic. Hope it works and keeps you hunting!

From: DanaC
Date: 06-Nov-18




I'm recuperating from surgery, no heavy lifting etc. If that works I want one!

And could you do some sort of crane attachment to get the deer into the pick-up bed?

;-)

From: Franklin
Date: 06-Nov-18




You could easily get that to work...there are enough trees to get it where you want it. Even if you had to zig zag it...it beats dragging it.

From: Babysaph
Date: 06-Nov-18




I got one better. Wrap a rope around ypur deer and tie it to the 4 wheeler and out he comes.

From: LBshooter
Date: 06-Nov-18




I like it, let us know how it works.

From: Clydebow
Date: 06-Nov-18




Pay someone to drag it out.

From: Ihunts2much
Date: 06-Nov-18




Great idea! I was thinking about doing something similar a few years back. I was going to use a chainsaw engine to power it.

From: GF
Date: 06-Nov-18




Would work even better with some RC - that way you could walk alongside your deer, manage the speed and not just slam your way through the woods....

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 06-Nov-18




Don't think that is going to get the job done. Too many things against it working. Battery op drill and the terrain for a couple. Someone runs the drill who's going to guide the deer around thick brush and trees.

From: Murray Seratt Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 07-Nov-18




We do not allow 4 wheelers on our hunting grounds. Deer carts are recommended.

Murray

From: Tom McCool
Date: 07-Nov-18




Looks great! I love the fact you not giving up just because of a few physical challenges. Your inspiration should a least drag a few other guys out of their chairs and into the woods.

From: Eric Krewson
Date: 07-Nov-18




We have hollows around here that aren't 4 wheeler accessible, I only have a 2 wheel drive one that has limitations. All the management areas here are walk in only, no quads allowed.

Even on my place there is a hollow with over a 45 degree slope. I know any deer I shoot is heading to the creek bottom at the bottom of this slope. If I can pull a deer up the 50 yards out of the deep chasm it will be in a position I can get my four wheeler to.

Where I hunt there is no level ground, all hills and deep hollows.

I have a 20# weight restriction now because of an injury, I have to be resourceful.

From: indianalongbowshoote
Date: 07-Nov-18




4 wheelers don't hurt a thing as long as the people running them respect the property they are on, problem is there are a lot of morons running around the woods on them just like everything else.

From: eddie c
Date: 07-Nov-18




Eric, if i'm reading correctly, this is your second one. how well did the first one work? i like the concept.

From: Eric Krewson
Date: 07-Nov-18




I strapped the first one to the side of a tree, it had a tendency to slide around the tree. I also had 75# of stiff cable on it that wouldn't feed back on the spool evenly, with the winch sliding around the tree it would pack up on one side and wrap around the spool's shaft.

#1 was a 600# winch, at the time I didn't know there was a know there was a full torque setting on my drill. I would set it on what I thought was max torque (22) and it would torque out pulling a deer.

If you don't know it, there is a litte barber pole looking setting on your cordless drill past the normal torque setting. This is what I call "balls to the wall" setting, max power, no stopping it.

I forgot to mention, I will be using my winch to pull an ice fishing sled with the deer in it some of the time if the land is fairly clear, the sled pulls easily.

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 07-Nov-18




I can see it working with the deer on a sled in a cleared area. At some point the deer has to be at the cabin or at the back of a pick up. What is going to be your procedure at that point?

What drill are you using that is not going to quit working after ten minutes? Especially under all that torque. Not trying to throw water on your idea Eric, just being a realist.

From: Kodiak
Date: 07-Nov-18




I smell a burned motor in your future.

From: eddie c
Date: 07-Nov-18




if it helps you get the deer to where your 4 wheeler can access it, by all means go for it.

From: DarrinG
Date: 07-Nov-18




I like your resourcefulness. Whether it works well or not so good, you get an A+ for effort.

From: RonG
Date: 07-Nov-18




It should be fine dragging a deer not lifting it. I'm not sure two 20v batteries will be sufficient for any long haul. We are anxiously waiting to see if it will work, great job Eric

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 07-Nov-18




I own my land so I use em. I used to hunt some farms but the farmers kept using tractors running all around their fields.

From: GF
Date: 07-Nov-18




Just an FYI...

#1 is the sled

#2 - Deer are heavy; rope is (comparatively) light

#3 - most of us have a harness with us anyway

If you strap a pulley to a solid anchor at the top of a hill, you can use your own weight to your advantage and drag down-hill while the sled goes up. Use a Prussic knot so you don’t lose any ground to back-sliding and use an extra sling and a ‘biner to anchor any time you need to stop to steer the sled, take a break, whatever.

This way, you can take a steep, direct route up the hill, rather than straining and sweating and swearing all the long way around...

From: 1Longbow
Date: 07-Nov-18




I like it better that the Butt out tool

From: tonto59
Date: 07-Nov-18




Good Idea Eric let us know how it works.

From: olddogrib
Date: 07-Nov-18




Didn't I see Wile E. Coyote use something similar unsuccessfully when I was a child? Oh well, "nothing ventured, nothing gained" as the saying goes. Good luck, at least if it disappoints I think the chances of bodily harm are nil.

From: 1/2miledrag
Date: 07-Nov-18

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I like the concept and your ingenuity. I use a Lewis Winch for all my pulling...can handle several thousand pounds. I did make the mistake of trying to pull a boulder and it skidded my F-350 pickup backwards instead.

From: Silverhawk
Date: 08-Nov-18




Do more missing.

From: Eric Krewson
Date: 08-Nov-18

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No long hauls expected, I hunt close to the road.

As for dealing with a deer when I get is to a manageable area on my place, it will be 4 wheeler out of the rough stuff and my little tractor after that. My land was dozed off about 50 years ago, the windrows and gouged out places are all over the hill side, to tippy for my narrow tractor.

Best toy I ever bought 12 years ago, mighty handy, in this case loading an osage log.

From: Eric Krewson
Date: 08-Nov-18




GF, with a 20# weight restriction I can't drag, even down hill.

The thing is, you young able bodied guys can't comprehend not being able to do the things you have done in the past. This past year has been an abrupt turning point for me as well, from hard charging athlete, gym rat with no quit in him to a wimp.

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 08-Nov-18




I know what you mean buddy. I tore my rotator cuff and feel helpless. I am cutting up my deer now.

From: skinnyindian
Date: 08-Nov-18




Talk to the local football coach or shop teachers and offer to pay a little to a few kids to help you drag. It's a good opportunity to introduce them to hunting and the outdoors and you get your deer out. It's a win for everyone.

From: Live2hunt
Date: 08-Nov-18




We had a capstan come-along for elk hunting that had a chainsaw motor on it with 100' of rope. Hook to a tree and let the rope coil as it comes toward you. Then move 100' and do it again. I think 1/4 of an old canoe would be a good thing to use as it would have the v-shape front to guide better through the woods.

From: Eric Krewson
Date: 08-Nov-18

Eric Krewson's embedded Photo



I walked out in my woods and took this picture of what I am dealing with, turned out to be a rewarding trip. We don't have many white oak acorns this year, I found a lone tree dropping acorns they were really hammering.

Anyway, here is the grade on my land down to the creek.

From: RonG
Date: 08-Nov-18




Eric I bought a Kubota B26 with front loader and backhoe about ten years and have loved it, wouldn't trade it for anything. You would not believe the work I have done with that little beauty. I was a John Deere man until they wouldn't fix a warrantee problem, so I traded it in on a new Kubota.

From: Live2hunt
Date: 08-Nov-18




Yep, the capstan come-along would work great there.

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 08-Nov-18




That is quite a steep grade. So while you are running the drill who is going to be guiding the deer around the trees? It doesn't look like a straight shot up the hill. You drill for a bit, deer gets hung up, you go down pull the deer around the tree, walk back up the hill and run the drill until the deer gets hung up again.

I guess I don't seeing it being very efficient. Guess I would call the neighbor out for help. He will only be needed a couple times a season.

Don't get me wrong Eric, I feel your pain. I turn 70 next Feb but I have 4 grandkids to do all my gutting and dragging.

From: Eric Krewson
Date: 08-Nov-18




I saw a video where a guy put a noose around a deer's neck and put a half hitch around the deer's nose where it would drag nose first with everything trailing behind. It looked like this package wouldn't hang up as much.

Another guy put his drag rope through the bridge of the nostrils for the same streamlined deer package to drag.

I do have a cleared path up to my backyard from just above the spot in the picture, not much to hang up on but still not tractor accessible.

Over the years I have probably drug well over 100 out, a lot of mine and some for other people, I know about the hang up challenge.

From: Eric Krewson
Date: 08-Nov-18




I suspect short pulls will be the ticket, bounce from tree to tree selecting the clearest path from point A to B.

From: Bentstick54
Date: 08-Nov-18




I’m in a similar situation Eric. While I am only 64, I have respiratory issues, and have a very hard time dragging uphill like you. The only place I have to hunt on private property looks about like yours. It’s 1-1/2 hour drive from home and many times I hunt by myself. Sometimes I have young, big, and strong youngsters with me. I can usually drive up to the edge of the timber where the slope starts, so I had a similar idea. I picked up an ATV winch that my brother is welding me a plate to mount to my truck receiver. I have rigged up 4ga cable to run from truck battery to rear of truck and added a plug to plug the winch into. Even if I have to go up and done a time or two to get deer around a tree or rock, I wont be dragging a 200# deer up a 60 degree slope. (I only weigh 150#). It may not work but I figure it’s worth a try.

From: Live2hunt
Date: 09-Nov-18




I'm tellin you guys, you should look at that capstan system. You aren't limited in how much rope you use. If you want 100 yard of rope, you can do it.

From: BuzAL
Date: 09-Nov-18




Think I got him talked into the "call yer buddy" plan.

But you know how folks are with their huntin' spots. ;-)

From: Eric Krewson
Date: 10-Nov-18

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First test, I need to weld the nuts on the drive shaft as because they turn lefty loosey in a pull.

I took the drive nuts off, put the hand crank on and could easily pull my 450# four wheeler up a moderate grade. I did have the mechanical advantage of the lever but it took almost effort to turn it.

From: Eric Krewson
Date: 10-Nov-18




My 600# winch tightened the nuts on a pull, the extra gears changed the 2000# winches direction.

Do you guys thing JB weld is strong enough to lock the nuts in place?

From: 1/2miledrag
Date: 10-Nov-18




I have limited experience with JB Weld, but based on my experience I'm going to say no. What about the stuff for threaded bolts/nuts? Maybe the red and not the blue.

From: mangonboat
Date: 11-Nov-18




Eric, if you are putting your socket on the bolt head of the bolt you are using as a drive shaft, why not drill a hole through the nut and bolt at the other end and use a tiny cotter pin to keep the nut in place? The threaded end of the bolt is under minimal torque so it shouldn't be a structural issue.

From: Eric Krewson
Date: 11-Nov-18




I thought about using roll pins through the nut and shaft as they are stronger. If I weld the nuts on I can't use the hand crank if I want to.

From: timex
Date: 11-Nov-18

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From: timex
Date: 11-Nov-18

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From: Kodiak
Date: 11-Nov-18

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From: Eric Krewson
Date: 12-Nov-18




Duh, I am slow sometimes. All I have to do to get the nuts to tighten on a pull is to wind the mule tape on the spool in the opposite direction.

I did some scouting in my ghillie suit yesterday evening. I ran about 15 deer out of the field walking in. They came back about 30 minutes later but were on high alert. Several does came within 25 yards of me but they were walking stiff legged, stomping their feet and looking hard for me. They never picked me up in my ghillie suit even though I was sitting in the open.

I can't bow hunt because of a hernia weight restrictions, M/L opens today but it is raining cats and dogs, I don't hunt with one of my flinters in the rain. The wired deer I saw yesterday would have jumped the string on a flinter making them hard to hit where you would want to, if at all.





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