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Recommend an Elevated Rest

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GF 09-Oct-18
Rick Barbee 09-Oct-18
DarrinG 09-Oct-18
fdp 09-Oct-18
Draven 09-Oct-18
2 bears 09-Oct-18
Draven 09-Oct-18
HedgeHunter 09-Oct-18
GF 09-Oct-18
HedgeHunter 09-Oct-18
Rick Barbee 09-Oct-18
Babysaph 09-Oct-18
HedgeHunter 09-Oct-18
George D. Stout 09-Oct-18
GF 09-Oct-18
Rick Barbee 09-Oct-18
GLF 09-Oct-18
Draven 09-Oct-18
George D. Stout 09-Oct-18
M60gunner 09-Oct-18
2 bears 09-Oct-18
Frisky 10-Oct-18
dean 10-Oct-18
Tom McCool 10-Oct-18
GF 10-Oct-18
76aggie 10-Oct-18
GF 10-Oct-18
George D. Stout 10-Oct-18
GF 10-Oct-18
Bowmania 10-Oct-18
NOVA7 10-Oct-18
dean 10-Oct-18
dean 10-Oct-18
dean 10-Oct-18
GF 10-Oct-18
2 bears 10-Oct-18
George D. Stout 10-Oct-18
dean 10-Oct-18
PeteA 10-Oct-18
GF 10-Oct-18
Kanati 10-Oct-18
Wildhog 11-Oct-18
Bud B. 11-Oct-18
dragonheart 11-Oct-18
GF 11-Oct-18
murph 11-Oct-18
JRW 11-Oct-18
GF 11-Oct-18
jk 11-Oct-18
PeteA 11-Oct-18
George D. Stout 11-Oct-18
Hatrick 11-Oct-18
GF 11-Oct-18
Hatrick 22-Oct-18
Zbone 22-Oct-18
Katman 23-Oct-18
Katman 23-Oct-18
DanaC 23-Oct-18
From: GF
Date: 09-Oct-18




OK - first things first: I don’t care if you don’t use them, don’t like them, or think they’re out of place on a “traditional” bow. If you’ve got nothing constructive to add, we can argue about something else on some other thread. I checked the Debate-Free box for a reason...

And with that out-of-the-way…

I’m starting to set up the Thunderbird, and I had a thought to go with an elevated rest so I could shoot vanes on a rainy day if I were to have a notion...

I know some of you like the old Bear Weather-rest, but is it as good with vanes as with feathers?

I was kind of thinking about something along the lines of the old Flipper rest.... assuming that they’re suitably weather-proof. Target-grade accuracy with hunting-class reliability sort of thing...

Any favorites?

From: Rick Barbee
Date: 09-Oct-18




NAP FlipperII

Thank me later. 8^)

Rick

From: DarrinG
Date: 09-Oct-18




Yes, the Bear Weather Rest shoots vanes off my bow as good as feathers.

From: fdp
Date: 09-Oct-18




Flipper II

From: Draven
Date: 09-Oct-18

Draven's embedded Photo



For one of my bows I made a homemade elevated rest using the below "how to"

https://tradbow.com/make-toothbrush-rest/

Image from the site is here.

From: 2 bears
Date: 09-Oct-18




Flipper or the Hoyt stick on. I make them all now but there is one of the Hoyt plastic stick on rests that has been on my practice bow for many years. Pretty sure it is Hoyt the name is worn off. It has the little side plate cushion as well. I shoot any of my bows a little better with one. I just won't put them on a self bow or longbow. Many like the Bear but the rubber never seemed like the arrow pass was as smooth. Felt it on the draw probably made no difference on the shot. >>>----> ken

From: Draven
Date: 09-Oct-18




PS I just shoot vanes with this bow.

From: HedgeHunter
Date: 09-Oct-18




Closed cell foam covered in seal skin shaped like a feather rest.

HH~

From: GF
Date: 09-Oct-18




Thanks, Rick - I was hoping you’d chime in!

And the Flipper sounds like the unanimous winner ;)

Glad I was on the right track..

From: HedgeHunter
Date: 09-Oct-18




Flippers on hunt Trads are not a really forgiving options for a number of reasons. Hunt with one.

From: Rick Barbee
Date: 09-Oct-18




Just FYI:

I used the Flippers, and the Center Flippers for many years, and used them for both all my target shooting, and all my hunting.

I've hung the bat/arm, and turned it completely backward on them a few times. I just flipped it back forward where it belonged, and carried on.

I was using them primarily on a 98# recurve with 600 Plus grain arrows. They were taking a beating, but I never broke one, and never had one fail.

Rick

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 09-Oct-18




Heck Draven no wonder my patients have rotten teeth. All the toof brushes are on bows.

From: HedgeHunter
Date: 09-Oct-18




I shot em for years. Nithing is more forgiving than a solid rest for hunting to be sure. Fire and forget solid.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 09-Oct-18




I've used stick-on rests for over fifty years now and never had one come off, and never had one break. I don't know what you need to shoot arrows from but a Hoyt stick on will work just fine and costs $2.50 each at Lancaster Archery for the regular or hunting model. They still use them occasionally in Olympic archery as well.

The Flipper II is also pretty much bullet proof, and those of us who have shot stick-on rests pretty much have tried many of them. They will hold up just fine until you want to change them.

From: GF
Date: 09-Oct-18




I just went and browsed Lancaster.... all of the Flippers appear to mount through a hole such as would accommodate a Berger Button...

What happened to the stick-on version???

From: Rick Barbee
Date: 09-Oct-18




Looks like Lancasters & 3Rivers no longer carries them, but you can still get them straight from NAP for $6.99.

Rick

From: GLF
Date: 09-Oct-18




In the late 70s and early 80s around here flipper 2s were the only rests anyone used on compound and recurves.

From: Draven
Date: 09-Oct-18




Babysaph I blame their lack of skills! How many toothbrushes someone has to cut to make a rest? PS that was unexpected! Good one Babysaph!

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 09-Oct-18




Just buy it from the maker, NAP.

https://www.newarchery.com/product/flipper-rest-ii/

From: M60gunner
Date: 09-Oct-18




I use the good old brush rest. Started using one back in 1972 when I wanted to use vanes for hunting in wet weather. Had one fail once, about 15 years ago. They are cheap as well. I trim them on the bottom so it sits closer to the shelf. No issues with vanes. I have used Blazer vanes, NAP vanes, AAE and Bohning vanes over the years. I get mine from Black Widow or 3 Rivers.

From: 2 bears
Date: 09-Oct-18




I forgot the brush. I like them too. The flipper and Hoyt work fine though. I agree with George and Rick they work. If they scare you for $2.50 you carry a spare in your quiver. I did I like insurance but I never needed it. You can see exactly where to stick the new one on. Nothing changed. One model comes with a hole for the plunger. It works just fine with out one. That is the one I copy using the plastic store display racks. I believe George does too. Then you can have as many as you want for free. The brushes and feather rests are also fairly easy to make. Well you will need a little two sided tape which makes it easier for spares or barge cement if you do all your work at home.>>>----> Ken

From: Frisky
Date: 10-Oct-18




Forget the Flipper rest. Just get the $2.50 Hoyt Super Rest George mentioned. It's the best elevated rest. I still am using one I installed on a 76er around 1978.

Joe

From: dean
Date: 10-Oct-18




I like the Para rests, not sure they make them any more, still have a couple on the shelf.

From: Tom McCool
Date: 10-Oct-18

Tom McCool's embedded Photo



From: GF
Date: 10-Oct-18




“ I still am using one I installed on a 76er around 1978.”

Maybe you should shoot more often???

:p

From: 76aggie
Date: 10-Oct-18




Another Hoyt stick on rest guy here on some bows. Not all. I also shoot off the shelf and off feather rests as well. I'll be hunting with one tomorrow. Never had one fall off yet.

From: GF
Date: 10-Oct-18




@Dean - what’s the Para? The others, I’m familiar with....

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 10-Oct-18




The Para Rest is a brush rest with a leather self-adhesive backing.

From: GF
Date: 10-Oct-18




Thanks, George!

From: Bowmania Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 10-Oct-18




Haven't the dopes ever brushed their teeth with a bow!!!

GF, Nice disclaimer to start out. Hope it works, but I doubt it.

I've been shooting a Spig ZT rest. I wouldn't call it a great hunting rest, but I have it wrapped in mole skin and haven't had a problem.

I was having trouble tuning my ILF rig with a strike plate and rug, more or less because of time constraints. A buddy said try this - the ZT. I had it tuned in 6 shots.

Bowmania

From: NOVA7
Date: 10-Oct-18




Owen Jeffery always used an elevated rest

From: dean
Date: 10-Oct-18

dean's embedded Photo



pararest

From: dean
Date: 10-Oct-18

dean's embedded Photo



From: dean
Date: 10-Oct-18




The pararests that I have are plastic. I use them on my Grooves recurve with the cutout. the rest brush is long enough that I can mount it inside the cut out and still have enough brush to support the arrow. Back in the 60s when they were mounted on leather, the guys used to trim them a little shorter. They are not as affected by cold as the Bear rest nor rain like feather rests. Those vertical feather rests give excellent arrow flight, but they can be compressed with heavy narrow arrows like efoc carbons. With the Para rest on the Grooves, that bow will shoot any spine arrow I want. No fun at all, it takes all of the fun out of spine selection.

From: GF
Date: 10-Oct-18




Gotta LOVE that hat, Dean!

Spig as in Spigarelli, correct?

From: 2 bears
Date: 10-Oct-18




Pararest Soooo easy to make with a ladies eyelash brush a small piece of leather and two sided tape. I always used cheap tooth brushes but they are harder to cut and grind. It is amazing what you learn when you have more time than money. I never want or lack for anything archery related. >>>>-----> Ken

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 10-Oct-18




Your hat looks like a Saxon Para Rest.

From: dean
Date: 10-Oct-18




You guys are just jealous, it had a plastic bill under the cloth, I had to use a side cutter to hack it off. The thing fits and stays on my head. it is not real cat or fox fur, if it was, my nose would be running and my eyes swelled shut.

From: PeteA
Date: 10-Oct-18




Weather Rest - But with about a 1/16 of an inch cut off bottom to the rest and flipper arm. It keeps the rest closer to the bottom to the shelf and makes the flipper arm a little more flexible. Got this idea from Barry and Gene Wensel. Works great. Next time I get to Cos Cob I'll show you GF.

From: GF
Date: 10-Oct-18




I’d been wondering when you’d show yourself down there! Saw Groundstalker tonight at the monthly... he has a new idea for a novelty shot that sounds interesting...

I was thinking to install the rest as low as possible... not sure if that might compromise the performance with vanes, but it makes sense to me...

I’m really looking forward to shooting this stubby little bow a lot more. The speed of it was a little bit surprising...

From: Kanati
Date: 10-Oct-18




Bear Weathrest. My dad used one on his bows and NEVER had a problem .

From: Wildhog
Date: 11-Oct-18




I like the Hoyt Hunter rest.

From: Bud B.
Date: 11-Oct-18

Bud B.'s embedded Photo



Another vote for the Flipper II.

From: dragonheart Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 11-Oct-18




Brush rest made from a toothbrush. Great arrow flight, the arrow does not fall off under a pressure shot, last for a LONG time.

From: GF
Date: 11-Oct-18




Nice shootin' Bud!!

From: murph
Date: 11-Oct-18




Flipper II or the Hoyt Super pro is real nice. Check the big auction on finding them too.

From: JRW
Date: 11-Oct-18




GF,

Lancaster has tons of stick on rests.

http://www.lancasterarchery.com/bow-accessories/arrow- rests/recurve-finger-rests.html

From: GF
Date: 11-Oct-18




Saw those, thanks - just so many options and most of them look like they're intended for target recurves, so I thought I'd poll the hunters....

THX!

From: jk
Date: 11-Oct-18




IMO if your arrows fly well off the shelf with feathers they'll fly just as well off the shelf with small soft (small, soft) vanes (unless you're living with the drag of rug rest).

If you need large feathers or large vanes to get good flight your setup is way out of tune.

Try vanes with your current setup.

From: PeteA
Date: 11-Oct-18

PeteA's embedded Photo



Hey GF, I hope this image downloads. It will give you an idea of how I trim the rest. You also want to use the thinest possible adhesive tape to mount the rest.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 11-Oct-18




GF, don't be fooled by delicate looks, especially on the Hoyt Super Rest. I've never had one fail or come off. There are lots of good ones though.

From: Hatrick Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 11-Oct-18




PeteA, thanks for posting that picture. I wasn't exactly sure what you meant but the picture tells it all. I use the Bear Weatherest on my 52" Wing Thunderbird hunting bow. I have to try that the next time I change the rest out. I really like the Weatherest.

From: GF
Date: 11-Oct-18




Hatrick -

Is it pure coincidence that I want to put this rest on a 52” Thunderbird?

Pete - that’s good thinking; seems a good idea to keep the bow as centershot as possible to allow more spine tolerance... and I like the idea of keeping it low, too. I’ll probably give them a go, just because they’re too cheap to not see how I like ‘em.

From: Hatrick Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 22-Oct-18




GF - the old 52" Wing Thunderbird makes a GREAT little hunting bow. If you haven't already done it, I think you'll be very pleased with the performance if you decide to use the Bear Weatherest. I use a BCY X string on mine as well. I have a 45 and 46 pound 52" Thunderbird. I would love to get my hands on a 50 pounder.

From: Zbone
Date: 22-Oct-18




Believe it or not but some Olympic shooters actually still use (or did recently) the Hoyt stick on... Haven't looked into it recently, but I think the woman's Gold Medalist used one in 2012 London...

From: Katman
Date: 23-Oct-18




How about the good old springy rest, works well for me and pretty much bombproof.

From: Katman
Date: 23-Oct-18




Oops, forgot you need a stick on. Sorry.

From: DanaC
Date: 23-Oct-18




I like the AAE ST-300, they also make a version that works with a plunger but I haven't tried that.

http://www.lancasterarchery.com/aae-st-300-hunter-arrow-rest-rh.html

I also use and like the cheap 'brush rest' that 3 Rivers sells -

https://www.3riversarchery.com/brush-rest-elevated-arrow-rest.html





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