Traditional Archery Discussions on the Leatherwall


Swing Draw perfection

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Sam Dunham 09-Oct-18
George D. Stout 09-Oct-18
Sam Dunham 09-Oct-18
Jeffer 09-Oct-18
fdp 09-Oct-18
Longcruise 09-Oct-18
Jeffer 09-Oct-18
Mountain Man 09-Oct-18
Jeffer 09-Oct-18
Mo0se 09-Oct-18
Sam Dunham 09-Oct-18
Mo0se 09-Oct-18
2 bears 09-Oct-18
Sam Dunham 09-Oct-18
fdp 09-Oct-18
Sam Dunham 09-Oct-18
Mo0se 09-Oct-18
Liquid Tension 09-Oct-18
fdp 09-Oct-18
Sam Dunham 09-Oct-18
DT1963 10-Oct-18
Bowmania 10-Oct-18
trad47 10-Oct-18
trad47 10-Oct-18
trad47 10-Oct-18
Elderly OCR 10-Oct-18
dean 10-Oct-18
Sam Dunham 10-Oct-18
dean 10-Oct-18
dean 10-Oct-18
Sam Dunham 10-Oct-18
dean 10-Oct-18
Sam Dunham 10-Oct-18
Elderly OCR 10-Oct-18
Sam Dunham 10-Oct-18
Babysaph 10-Oct-18
Draven 10-Oct-18
Elderly OCR 10-Oct-18
Sam Dunham 10-Oct-18
Greencb 10-Oct-18
Elderly OCR 10-Oct-18
Elderly OCR 10-Oct-18
Sam Dunham 10-Oct-18
Elderly OCR 10-Oct-18
Jim Casto Jr 10-Oct-18
B arthur 10-Oct-18
Sam Dunham 10-Oct-18
Sam Dunham 10-Oct-18
Mo0se 11-Oct-18
Sam Dunham 11-Oct-18
From: Sam Dunham Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 09-Oct-18




Yes, the Swing draw can be done with perfection and top form as is the case with this Man shooting a Hill style Bow.

He shoots three under and read somewhere he shoots 9-inch groups at 80 yards.

Notice he stops and aims at full draw and is past Champion at World 3D.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 09-Oct-18




I want to see 9" groups at 80 yards. That would be good for a freestyle archer and an ILF recurve.

From: Sam Dunham Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 09-Oct-18




Calvin Smock, 2018 Eagle eye winner.

From: Jeffer
Date: 09-Oct-18




https://youtu.be/cRdtoiBTD0w

My daughter Lucy

From: fdp
Date: 09-Oct-18




I wouldn't really call either of those a "swing draw" as it is normally described on here.

Calvin may come along in a little bit though and describe his technique himself.

From: Longcruise
Date: 09-Oct-18




He has great form and I'm sure is a highly accomplished shooter.

Not sure that meets a definition of the "swing draw", but will defer to those with more knowledge than I.

From: Jeffer
Date: 09-Oct-18




She does some shooting in this video with her 50# Ausable.

From: Mountain Man
Date: 09-Oct-18




Sam that gentleman is an excellent archer And he gets it done his way with great results

But that a hybrid of true swing draw,,,locked bow arm very little cant standing straight up,3 under and bringing the arrow to his head not his head to the arrow That’s a hybrid technique of tournament stance with a little swing draw,,as in Hill style or technique

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=98fuYYD5LOM

From: Jeffer
Date: 09-Oct-18




No Calvin is not using a swing draw. He can sure shoot though.

From: Mo0se
Date: 09-Oct-18

Mo0se's embedded Photo



That first pic you put up is Dave Wallace, one heckuva nice guy who still earns it the hard way. Shot with him and a Friend at IBO World Championship in Pipestem this year. 65 years young shooting a 50# bow of his own making. They don't come any more legit than Dave. I'm in the blue shirt, Dave in the middle and Cody on the end.

From: Sam Dunham Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 09-Oct-18




Lucy is my champion!

I cannot compliment her enough!

Pray God watches over her and blesses her in every way.

From: Mo0se
Date: 09-Oct-18




By the way Dave is a fierce competitor, he scored very well this year. You can't throw a shot with Dave around. Calvin is good people too. He's one of the reasons I took up competitive longbow. Calvin made us fresh walleye outside his camper in Pipestem, it was delicious!

From: 2 bears
Date: 09-Oct-18




They all have talent and are very good. I would tend to call that, raise bow to perfect stance hold anchor and release.:^)>>>---> Ken

From: Sam Dunham Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 09-Oct-18




Great Pic Moose! You are all good "Legit" archers and top notch highwater guys.

From: fdp
Date: 09-Oct-18




She is an outstanding archer.

From: Sam Dunham Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 09-Oct-18




Yes, Jeff, Calvin is a co-owner of CD archery and "danceswithsquirrels" has been all over the US and the World with that longbow.

From: Mo0se
Date: 09-Oct-18




I've known Cal for along time! I tried to buy one of his sentimental 21st bows a few years ago. It worked! At the World Championship in TN. I brought it home. The next day he called saying his bowyers business burned down and needed his bow back. What do you do? You send it back to him! I have a copy of his bow now since 21st is no longer in business made by Gregg at Javaman. Good stuff!

From: Liquid Tension
Date: 09-Oct-18




Why these gentleman wanna have Repeatable Form, Anchor, Aim, pull thru the shot ,& hit what their Aiming @ is beyond me? Whenever you see great form you’ll see minimal movement. Machine like very impressive!

From: fdp
Date: 09-Oct-18




The amount of movement is essentially all the same regardless of the style used.

Shooting using either method, you have to raise the bow and point it at the target. 2 different raods to end up at the same place.

The main difference comes in the time at anchor, again, based on the term "swing draw" as it is normally used here, meaning as in "Hill" style shooting.

From: Sam Dunham Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 09-Oct-18




Agreed that the swing draw can be used by any archer no matter how they shoot.

From: DT1963
Date: 10-Oct-18




Always enjoyed videos by Jeffers, glad to see him posting. How's your shoulder?

From: Bowmania Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 10-Oct-18




Well, after 30+ years of a swing draw, I got shoulder problems followed by TP. OR maybe it was the other way around.

Chiropractor asked me how I shoot and explained why it was a problem. Drawing in a straight line is better for you body.

Bowmania

From: trad47
Date: 10-Oct-18




????? I have been told that shooting straight line draw is hard on your muscles.. Hence the reason for rotational draw. Can some explain to me what exactly is swing draw??

From: trad47
Date: 10-Oct-18




Or the “push pull” that Fred Bear supposedly shot? Whatever the draw style backtension is paramount. Don’t seem to see it Wallace Shooting. Static release?

From: trad47
Date: 10-Oct-18




Or the “push pull” that Fred Bear supposedly shot? Whatever the draw style backtension is paramount. Don’t seem to see it Wallace Shooting. Static release?

From: Elderly OCR
Date: 10-Oct-18




Interesting watching Calvin shoot. He does many things completely wrong according to the experts but when he hits the mark it's all forgotten.

He locks on target and seems fixed in position and then he starts dropping down about three inches and looses with everything plummeting towards the ground and has a static loose too. Go figure.

From: dean
Date: 10-Oct-18




kiss the boys goodbye and amaze a few girls, spread draw and swing draw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np8u69YfSA8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UenseC5ZIR8

From: Sam Dunham Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 10-Oct-18




Very dangerous!

From: dean
Date: 10-Oct-18




Not as much fun as shooting a full pop can off of some ones head, but yes, some of that, 'do not try this at home' stuff. This is dangerous. https://vimeo.com/87160095

From: dean
Date: 10-Oct-18




Before you get your panties in a wad, I didn't shoot a pop can off of anyone's head. One day my neighbor told someone that i could shoot a beer can off of his head. Then he changed his mind, because he didn't want to waste a beer and changed it to a Pepsi. i didn't want to waste the pepsi, not a beer drinker, so I got a gallon plastic milk jug. The other guy, a salesman, comes up with felt tip pens and drew a face on the milk jug. I set it on a folding chair with the Pepsi on top. My neighbor said, "watch this, he could shoot that right off my head if he wanted." I shot the face on the milk jug right between the eyes, then opened the Pepsi which dramatically squirted all over the place. Well we sat in shade and drank out selected brews, Mel kept asking whether I shot the milk jug on purpose or if I missed the Pepsi can and hit the jug by accident. When my Pepsi was was gone, I went back stood on the 18 yard mark and shot the Pepsi can for him.

From: Sam Dunham Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 10-Oct-18




1. The insinuation that I wear "panties" is juvenile.

2. Do we need a video of your shooting prowess via your claim?

3. talking of shooting anything remotely close to a human is reckless.

From: dean
Date: 10-Oct-18




So you go commando? Really now anyone can hit a pop can at 18 yards. I am surprised how PC you are.

From: Sam Dunham Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 10-Oct-18




Yes, I shoot at cans. I pick them out to pick them up that way on the dirt road.

I stump too, lots of flintrocks in my country though.

I rove for small game and take them for the pot yes.

I eat squirrel here all the time when in season. I love BBQ rabbit.

I do not know what "PC" is an abbreviation for?

From: Elderly OCR
Date: 10-Oct-18




Pretty Constipated.

From: Sam Dunham Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 10-Oct-18




You know I wish Jeffer would prep Lucy with some 3D targets and take her to the World 3D shoot. I would put in a sponsorship for her and work on getting her more sponsors.

Would like to see her give the Women at the shoots some competition and learn even more from them.

Sandy McCain would be all in to help too and she is a World class lady and Hunter/Archer.

I would like to do this if Jeffer and Lucy are up for it?

Could I get some more feedback on this idea?

I think Lucy has what it takes to be a future champion.

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 10-Oct-18




Ok. I'll bite. What us swing draw?

From: Draven
Date: 10-Oct-18




babysaph, swing-draw is an archery shooting sequence that aligns the arrow toward the target using an upward motion (swing) for bow hand and pulling the string (draw) in same time. Once at full draw the arrow is launched toward the target without hesitation, the entire shooting sequence being described as fluid. The promoter of this form was Howard Hill. He considered it as the most efficient way of shooting the bow when hunting. John Shultz described this shooting sequence in a video that ended somehow on youtube.

From: Elderly OCR
Date: 10-Oct-18




It's when you fall out of your treestand from excitement and are dangling from your harness or belt. Then while swinging back and forth you make an excellent snapshot on an 8 pointer.

First you swing and then you draw.

Any more questions?

From: Sam Dunham Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 10-Oct-18




Babysaph, do not understand the broken sentence structure.

From: Greencb
Date: 10-Oct-18




Dave Wallace is the Man.. As Jeff said he is shooting a D bow with wood arrows and he is good enough to keep most the RU guys at bay.

Do not associate any mystical Trad garb to Dave. He shoots split/gap, He holds at full draw like a man no snap shooting junk and he has ice in his veins when shooting under pressure.

I am amazed we do not hear more about how a guy with a hunting weight D bow and wood arrows can compete.

From: Elderly OCR
Date: 10-Oct-18




I was breaking it down for him.

From: Elderly OCR
Date: 10-Oct-18




"He holds at full draw like a man"

lol

From: Sam Dunham Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 10-Oct-18




Elderly, do you even shoot a Bow?

What do you and what is your interest here other than hovering and mocking?

You do realize that you are not funny, or the least bit entertaining to others.

No substance.

From: Elderly OCR
Date: 10-Oct-18




Longer than you I'm sure. Heck I've been building and shooting them for 45 years and I'm not even 50.

My interest here is in standing up for my style which is also shared by many others on here. I also find you hilarious with your blustery posturing.

I'm not sure why you're speaking for others.

Why I've even made GDS spit coffee on his keyboard.

From: Jim Casto Jr
Date: 10-Oct-18




GDS,

Can't speak for the 80 yards, but at 60 he'll shoot 9" groups consistently all day long. I've watched him do it. When shooting a 20 yard blue face, I'll have a flyer now and again- -maybe 2 feet to the left. When Dave has a flyer, it may be as much a 2 inches. He'll probably average in the 270's with that Hill-syle longbow.

He's a phenomenal shot, but then he's worked hard to get that good too.

... and Sam, he's not only a past IBO World Champion (several times), he's the current World Champion.

From: B arthur
Date: 10-Oct-18




Wow, I'll refrain from swearing this time! Come on gentlemen.

From: Sam Dunham Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 10-Oct-18




Thanks, brother Jim. I did not know Dave was the reigning man, gives us old guys hope.

From: Sam Dunham Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 10-Oct-18




Elderly, maybe you should post something "Archery related" so we would know you actually do have an interest?

You certainly are failing at your attempts at being a Comedian!

From: Mo0se
Date: 11-Oct-18




It doesn’t matter how you get to your anchor anyhow.

From: Sam Dunham Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 11-Oct-18




Nope, what matters is what you do after you anchor.





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