From: Candyman
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Date: 16-Aug-18 |
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Anyone with experience with the Sage? Do the limb weights run high or are they pretty much as marked?
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From: sheepdogreno
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Date: 16-Aug-18 |
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I don't have a scale but I bet my 50# sage draws every bit of 55 or even 60...very nice bows for the money though I wouldn't hesitate to buy one.
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From: Brad Lehmann
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Date: 16-Aug-18 |
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I think that they are all over the board. I weighed my 45 pounder last week and it is actually 43. My fifty pounder actually weighs 51.5 and my grandson's 30 pound bow scales at 31.7. This is measuring according to AMO standard with a scale that has been verified using test weights. My guess is that they round down or up depending on which number is closest.
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From: ny yankee
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Date: 16-Aug-18 |
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I don't know about "very nice" but a decent bow for the money. I don't have a scale either but both of mine seem very close to what is marked. Has not been difficult to tune arrows.
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From: Brad Lehmann
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Date: 16-Aug-18 |
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So, it is a crap shoot. Buy a forty five pound bow and it could be 42 1/2 or 47 1/2 if my theory is correct. Perhaps you can request an actual draw weight of the bow that you are considering. I've heard of some venders that will do that for you.
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From: Bassman
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Date: 16-Aug-18 |
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Some times they are spot on, and sometimes not.I have also noticed that some limbs have a single core wood ,and some have a double core.Still though i really like them, and for the money can not be beat.
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From: gluetrap
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Date: 16-Aug-18 |
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when I first got into trad I cheked out several bowyers all said within 2lb one way or another. if you wanted closer $$$. I would think 3lb on a factory bow very good imo...ron
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From: Fletch
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Date: 16-Aug-18 |
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A few years ago, Samick Sage and Journey ( amo 64”) were a bit “ wide “ in QC draw weights ( often higher in weights).
There is now ( in my view) a better option. Get limbs from southwestarchery.com. They make the updated version of the Sage ( 62” amo) with their “Spyder” bow, and the “Journey” is replaced withe their “Spyder XL” bow (64”). The limbs have tighter draw weight QC.
I have Samick Journeys and Spyder XL bows. Really like the Spyder XL. My 40# Spyder XL came in at 41#@28”, and 46”@ my near 30” draw weight ( on my scale). Pretty darn good. All fast flight string capable. They are better limbs than Sage limbs in my view.
If you draw 29” or more, consider the longer Spyder XL limbs. Very smooth. The shorter Sage limbs increase in draw weight quickly over 29” ( doesn’t “ hit a wall”, but has some stacking ).
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 16-Aug-18 |
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What gluetrap said. Even custom bowyers have a 'grace' of about two pounds. For a mass produced bow....1000's of them a week, seems a pound or two is pretty darned good. I guess if they put a + or - on the bow it would be better...like they did back in the 60's. If you're a perfectionist, then go to a custom and let them know you have to have it right on the money. Likely it will cost more than a Sage....which is a good and a popular bow nowadays.
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From: Fletch
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Date: 16-Aug-18 |
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I believe draw weight upper/ lower draw weight has a standard of either -2 to +3 lbs of stated draw weight at 28”, ( or -3 to +2 lbs?).
There is always variance, based on that industry QC spec. When draw weight is outside that approx 2-3 lb +/- spec, THAT is when you have an issue. I picked up a used set of 40# Samick Journey limbs 4+ years ago , but they measured 46# @ 28”, and 53# @ 30” ( and were marked 40#@28). Sold them, with the buyer knowing my findings.
Lancaster Archery used to check draw weight of limbs before shipping out, if requested. Very nice service option.
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From: Linecutter
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Date: 16-Aug-18 |
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You have to remember even Bear Archery and Pearson bows weren't always on the number. If the bow was let's say marked 50#, I believe if it was over by 1-2#'s or under by 1# it was still marked 50# and under the leather side plate the actual poundage was marked. If it was 3#'s over I believe it was marked with a plus sign, 50# plus, if over by 4#'s it was marked 50# plus plus. Now if it is marked 50# and it scaled 45# or 55# then you can call it miss marked. I have seen Martin Howatt's miss marked. Buddy had one marked 55#@28" and it scaled around 65#@28". The only reason he kept it was because his wife got it for him as a present. As George stated there is a grace area. You CAN'T hit them for the exact poundage every time, though we seem to think they can. It is not an exact science. DANNY
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From: grizz
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Date: 16-Aug-18 |
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I've had 4 sets of Sage limbs in 7 years and all scaled within 1#. AMO standard is I believe + or - 2#'s. I have no complaints.
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From: Bowhunter
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Date: 16-Aug-18 |
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I don't work for 3 Rivers but when I ordered limbs for my Bear Takedown from them, I told them what weight I wanted at my draw length. They called me the next day and said they had weighted several limbs and found a set like I wanted. Told them to ship them out. Thought that was pretty neat.
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From: Brad Lehmann
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Date: 16-Aug-18 |
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It would be simple to just mark them at what they scale. I'm not sure why they think 40 or 45 is a magic number. I like 47. If they are making thousands a week, it shouldn't be too hard to request a 47 and take a 46 or 48 if that is all that is in stock. My point is, they are scaling these bows at the factory and if they would just mark them accurately the dealer and consumer can work out the details.
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From: Draven
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Date: 16-Aug-18 |
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I can imagine a guy catching falling limbs from the testing press and marking them up based on what the other guy was yelling to him from the testing press sit. And after that another guy who was pairing them based on number written by that guy. And at the end of the day the Samick Sage limbs will be $ 150 / pair. Yeah right.
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From: 76aggie
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Date: 16-Aug-18 |
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I have two sets of limbs for my Sage, 40 and 55. I have not put them on a scale but both of them seem to be close to the marking. Not sure the factory ever even "scales" them at all, but it would be nice for them to do so and put the actual number on the limbs.
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From: Draven
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Date: 16-Aug-18 |
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ILF solved this problem, you want the right number, play with your ILF connection.
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From: Longcruise
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Date: 16-Aug-18 |
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"I've had 4 sets of Sage limbs in 7 years and all scaled within 1#. AMO standard is I believe + or - 2#'s. I have no complaints."
The AMO standard is exactly what is being overlooked in this topic. Google it up.
The bigger production companies round them per AMO standard but a lot of smaller and custom companies mark actual weight.
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From: Brad Lehmann
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Date: 16-Aug-18 |
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Draven,
They mark them now. Pretty simple to just write the correct number instead of rounding.
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From: Candyman
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Date: 16-Aug-18 |
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Thanks guys. I am not concerned about a pound or two. A lot of times when you read old posts you hear the negatives about a given product. My concern was that the weight might be over or under by four or five pounds either way. Two pounds would work for me. Thanks for the info.
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From: Draven
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Date: 16-Aug-18 |
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Brad, I think the way someone establish the weight is based on thickness of material used. I imagine they have separated batches of wood and glass strips sized for specific poundages and whatever difference at the end is in relation with how good the size of the limb layers were.
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From: fdp
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Date: 16-Aug-18 |
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AMO CONVENTIONAL BOW WEIGHT MARKING STANDARD
In accordance with the AMO Bow Weight Standard, the manufacturer has the option to mark his bow with actual draw weight at 28” (26 1/4” DLPP) draw or to use the following bow weight markings, especially on hunting models and middle, and low end bows.
Example: Bows weighing 19 - 20 -21 lb. - will be marked 20 lbs. Bows weighing 22 - 23 lbs. - will be marked 20X lbs. Bows weighing 24 - 25- 26 lbs. - will be marked 25 lbs. Bows weighing 27 - 28 lbs. - will be marked 25X lbs. Bows weighing 29 - 30 - 31 lbs. - will be marked 30 lbs.
All other conventional bow weights not shown would follow this same formula
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From: Longcruise
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Date: 17-Aug-18 |
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For bowyers who mark actual weight, they will still be open to some flak from buyers who weigh them on scales that vary a bit. Last year I weighed a new bow built by a very reputable bowyer using correct AMO method. The bow was marked 47# and came in at 41# on my scale. I checked my scale with a known 35# weight and it was right on.
The bow was a beauty both aesthetically and in it's performance characteristics. The missing 6# were irrelevant to my purposes.
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From: Birdy
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Date: 17-Aug-18 |
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I may be the odd man out but I never liked the sage. Could t sell mine fast enough. I think the black hunter is a much better economy bow
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From: Birdy
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Date: 17-Aug-18 |
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I may be the odd man out but I never liked the sage. Could t sell mine fast enough. I think the black hunter is a much better economy bow
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