Is the CD archery WF19 riser legal in the Trad recurve class. It seams like it meets the requirements.

~Wojo

Depends on how it is set up. Off the shelf, no stabilizer, okay. Otherwise you would be shooting in RU.

From the IBO website - Rules 2018 -

"TRADITIONAL CLASSES Bow weight restrictions shall apply in all traditional classes as in any other class. 1. Recurve Un-Aided (RU) A recurve or longbow shot with fingers directly contacting the bowstring using a glove, finger tab, or bare fingers. No sighting device of any kind may be used. A rest and plunger are all that may reside within the sight window of the bow. A clicker is allowed but must not be mounted in the sight window of the riser. There shall be NO markings on the bow or bowstring (intentional or accidental) that could be construed as sighting marks. All arrows shall be of the same material and be of uniform length and weight. String walking and face walking are permitted in the RU class. A stabilizer measuring 12” or less may be used in Recurve Un-aided Class (RU). RU archers will shoot from the orange stake.

2. Longbow (LB) A one (1) or two (2) piece longbow shot with fingers directly contacting the bowstring using a glove, finger tab, or bare fingers, Archers may use up to two (2) nock locating devices, but they must use the same nocking point and anchor point for each shot and the index finger must contact the string in the same place for each shot. The index finger must touch the nock of the arrow. Face and/or string walking are not permitted . No sighting device of any kind may be used. There shall be no markings on the bow or bowstring (intentional or accidental) that could be construed as sighting marks. No type of draw check or clicker may be used. Arrows shall be made of wood and shall be identical in length, weight, and color (allowances shall be made for normal wear). Arrows shall be shot off the hand or shelf of the riser. LB archers will shoot from the white stake. A longbow shot in LB shall confor m to the following specifications: 1. The bowstring, when the bow is strung, may only contact the nocks of the bow. 2 . No stabilizers, counterbalances, or weights of any kind may be attached or built into the bow; except a bow quiver clearly designed to hold arrows.

3.Traditional(TRD) A recurve or longbow shot with fingers directly contacting the bowstring using a glove, finger tab, or bare fingers. Archers may use up to two (2) nock locating devices, but they must use the same nocking point and anchor point for each shot and the index finger must contact the string in the same place for each shot. The index finger must touch the nock of the arrow. Face and/or string walking are not permitted. No sighting device of any kind may be used. There shall be no markings on the bow or bowstring (intentional or accidental) that could be construed as sighting marks. No type of draw check or clicker may be used. All arrows must be the same length and weight.

Aluminum or carbon arrows must have screw-in field points; wood arrows may have glue-on points. All arrows must have at least three (3) feathers or vanes no less than four (4) inches long. No stabilizers, counterbalances, or weights of any kind may be attached or built into the bow, except a quiver clearly designed to hold arrows. Arrows shall be shot off the hand or shelf of the riser only. An arrow side plate (if used) may only extend one (1) inch above the arrow. The shelf may be built up and the side plate may be built out with a hard material that has a minimal consistency of wood. The shelf and side plate may be covered with a softer material that is no thicker than 1/8 inch.

I read this same stuff. Seams like I am ok. I do not string walk. What I am confused about is this sentence.”no weights built into the bow” It kinda does...

~Wojo

I shot mine at the 2018 Trad Worlds. I shot it off the shelf and would have been in the REC class except I shoot a clicker so that put me in the RU class. It is my hunting bow with heavy arrows and all so I would have liked to shoot the Trad Hunter class but metal risers (and clickers) are not allowed in that class. Even shooting RU I had a great time and learned a lot.

God Bless.

Wojo14,

By built into weights, they are referring to removable,adjustable, interchangeable. I'm thinking your "kinda" refers to the riser,right?

DWinVA,

Where do you see a description of "Trad Hunter" class?

Hunter class is from the yellow stake with a maximum distance of thirty-five yards. You may use a compound, recurve or longbow with sights, as stipulated.

IMHO, the IBO has departed from bow hunter ethics, at least when establishing distances for traditional gear. As I see it, the maximum distances were established with McKenzie targets. Those had a generous vital area and, overall, were larger targets. The switch to Rinehart targets, with a smaller vital area, on a scaled smaller target, compounds the difficulty of attaining scores, as were seen on McKenzie targets. Also, I am told that the ten rings are larger than the McKenzie's, however their placement farther forward within vital zone, severely narrows the eight point space at the forward side of the vital area. With the slightest amount of quartering, as I've seen on courses, the vital area can become almost half of the total available, and the ten extremely hard to make. In those cases, a five point hit is preferable to a miss, hardly a hunters consideration.

The high financial cost of competing pales in comparison to the humiliation and second guessing of Traditional hunters ability to take live game, and I'm guessing there are some compound hunters that see this trend also. I've heard one of my competitors state that IBO wants to squeeze out traditional shooters. With the low count of competitors with traditional gear, that seems to ring true.

Though I qualified to shoot the World competition this year, as I did last year, the journey through this years competition has taken it's toll on my enjoyment of shooting. I'm back to my hunting gear, and while the competition has sharpened my skills, I don't need the pressure to make unrealistic shots that I wouldn't take while hunting. I'm still undecided about ever again competing for IBO championships.

The Trad Hunter, like Modern Longbow, is an additional class offered in the Traditional series of IBO events and shouldn't be confused with the Hunter Class you know from the regular IBO shoots. Trad Hunter forbids metal risers and elevated rests and is shot from the White stakes

Swampbowman beat me to it. Thanks.

God Bless.

The simple answer is yes, if set up for that class.

Bill, the Trad 'World' shoot has different classes from what we shoot hereabouts.

PS sorry we didn't get to talk more at New England, they designated me as 'Gopher' ;-)

And doesn't Traditional Hunter also specify a minimum draw weight?

I don't believe for a minute that IBO is trying to squeeze out Traditional shooters, rather, they find it hard to integrate us with compounders. They do offer us a separate 'World' event, with what I think is a better range of classes, as well as 'fun' shoots (at least here in the northeast.)

I have to admit, 25 yards is tough for many of us. 30 yards ? Just glad I'm over 60 ;-)

One more thing - setting up the white and orange stakes at a mixed IBO shoot, I have to consider *all* the shooters using those stakes, not just my fellow stick shooters. There are compound-shooting kids who clean my clock if I make it too easy!

30 yards is only 90 feet...the distance from home to first base or third base. In field archery that is still a 12" target with the smallish scoring area. At 35 yards they went to the 18" target...not sure what that is in centimeters. I'm wondering how we got to this point where 30 yards is a long distance.

Easy, George - we're not allowed to aim ;-)/2

Built in weight refers to taking g a Manufacturer riser and adding weight to it like pouring a hole full of lead or solder or something.

George,

You are comparing field targets to 3D targets, and they don't compare. Would you still see no problem if your target was ten inches at thirty yards, and maybe quartering?

DanaC,

Of course kids with compounds can beat you at those distance. That will only last until they reach seventeen, then reality sets in. Let them enjoy their advantage of youth. The separations between finger and release, and fixed and movable sights create categories not especially relative to hunting, and that is where IBO begins to drift away from bow hunting. I think that is very evident in most shooters having separate choice of gear for hunting and for 3D.

IBO stretching shots to challenge the best shooters, has discouraged attendance by the larger number of regular bow hunters.

Wild Bill, Of course 30 yards is close. We can all agree to that, BUT the encouraging fact is that Barebow is growing in both field and target archery while 3D is sustaining. We don't see increased numbers in 3D for IBO or ASA, but USA Archery is getting better and better attendance. I expect even more at the LAS indoor shoot and with Vegas offering a recurve BB class it will grow. Those folks, many of which are new and younger shooters, like field etc.

I am sorry this original post went sideways, but it's a simple answer. The CD risers are legal in IBO, period.

" IBO stretching shots to challenge the best shooters, has discouraged attendance by the larger number of regular bow hunters. "

And that right there is the heart of the matter. A lot of 'regular bow hunters' don't want a hard, chalenging course. Are they dropping out of 3D shooting in general? Yes. It's not just IBO. Our local league attendance has been dropping for years. Used to get 75 to 100 + shooters, nowadays 60 is exceptional, 40 is normal.

Guys buy a 'backyard buck' and set it at a 'comfortable' distance, shoot it enough to maintain a 'comfortable' skill level and stay prepared for hunting season.

And it makes sense! Attending 3D's, whether at a local level or IBO regional level, takes time and money. Plenty of both!

So, 3D seems to be sorting itself out, guys who shoot a few 'local' matches, and guys who really enjoy the toughest competition level and will travel to find it.

As the guy setting up courses, I have to ask myself, who do I want to attract to my shoot?

Anyway, as Jimmy notes, we are wa-a-ay off topic...

My original question was directed to the IBO Trad Worlds. I want to shoot in the Trad Recurve Class. Not in the RU Class. I just wanted to clarify if my riser is ok. If some of you are not familiar with the CD WF19 riser, it has a “hump” on the shelf and an adjutadable side plate(not a plunger).

See, I shoot “instinctive” to 30. 30-40. I guess it really doesn’t matter. RU and REC both shoot from the same stake. It would just be cool to compete with guys that don’t stringwalk. That’s all. FYI, I have nothing against stringwalking.

~Wojo

In the regular IBO I think I would fall in the TRD class(same as the REC class at the IBO Trad Worlds.

~Wojo

"In the regular IBO I think I would fall in the TRD class(same as the REC class at the IBO Trad Worlds. ~Wojo"

That is correct.

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