From: Justin
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Date: 01-Aug-18 |
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Every fall I convince myself I’m going to mount snuffers on my cedar arrows for November. Anyone else do this?
Justin
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From: tonto59
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Date: 01-Aug-18 |
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I have used Snuffers. As long as you don't mind a large hole in the Hide. And short blood trails. ;-) They are one of the best three blade heads ever made. Guess that's why bowhunter's still use them.
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From: Oly
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Date: 01-Aug-18 |
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I hunt with 125 grain Snuffers on my cedars... usually start shooting them in August in preparation for the bow opener in mid-September. IMO, one of the best BH's ever.
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From: Bowguy
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Date: 01-Aug-18 |
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Convince myself or do it? Snuffers aren’t made anymore so if you don’t have em forget it. There’s a brand or 2 similar but dif weights
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From: Orion
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Date: 01-Aug-18 |
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I've started using Snuffers for turkey, but come fall, I use Woodsmans, or Zwickey Deltas, or STOS, or Abowyer, or....
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From: David McLendon
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Date: 01-Aug-18 |
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Snuffers are the only 3 blade I use, I likely have enough to last me on out but I just bought some more yesterday. I can't help it, when I see them I buy them, what if I'm still hunting at 100 years old?
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From: born2hunt
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Date: 01-Aug-18 |
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Funny you mention this I literally just searched last night to find out they’re no longer made. Bummer. I have two left from years ago. Loved em. I guess the woodsman is the closest thing now. Never tried em but I hear good stuff.
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From: Stringmaker
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Date: 01-Aug-18 |
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Justin, I never have to convince myself to put them on any arrow . . . to me the best BH. Here are some!
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From: David McLendon
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Date: 01-Aug-18 |
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No longer made but they can still be found.
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From: David McLendon
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Date: 01-Aug-18 |
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You didn't think a Snuffer would work on Carbon?
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From: Justin
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Date: 01-Aug-18 |
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I’ve got about 20 of them
Going to put em to use.
Love old school
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From: David McLendon
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Date: 01-Aug-18 |
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Woodsman's and VPA's are good heads, but they only dream of the blood trail that a 160 Snuffer lays down, especially off 67# and a complete pass through.
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From: Bushytail
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Date: 01-Aug-18 |
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I put steel insert in some snuffers to get 200gr. I got 2 left. Got some deer with them. I would like to get a turkey with one someday. Maybe this fall.
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From: S. North
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Date: 02-Aug-18 |
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Strinmaker very nice bow and arrows
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From: MDW
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Date: 02-Aug-18 |
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Shot Snuffer's for several years. The heavy heads flew about like rocks, but you sure can't argue with the massive hole!
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From: Bowmania
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Date: 02-Aug-18 |
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Justin, I don't know if you tune with the ACS document - impacts and in you case comparing a snuffer and a field point of the same weight. But when Adcock wrote it he had a line in the broadhead tuning that went something like - "find the biggest, baddist broadhead you can find and tune with it. I use a 160 Snuffer. Then you can put on any broadhead as long as the weight you ended up with is the same and it will be tuned."
I figured if you tune with it, why not shoot it?
They're getting hard to find.
Bowmania
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From: jjs
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Date: 02-Aug-18 |
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Use them since 86 when a bud introduce me to them and haven't switch, the hole it leaves have always been impressive.
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From: Justin
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Date: 02-Aug-18 |
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Bowmania
The 160 flies very well. My finished arrow weight with broadhead is 600 grains. Using a vintage 64” recurve 75#
Arrows fly well. No planing like some 2 blades.
Justin
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From: Jarhead
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Date: 02-Aug-18 |
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if you ever transition to screw-ins... VPA has broadheads in a variety of weights. They are indestructible... and fly really well. Between me and the wife - we're 8/8 with VPA's. It's nice when you're trying to get your arrow to fly right and the best flight happens with your test tip at 200 grains... to be able to buy a broadhead that weighs the same. Good luck
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From: David McLendon
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Date: 02-Aug-18 |
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VPA broadheads are not indestructible, I had 3 break off right in front of the threads. I wanted to like them with Snuffers getting scarce but snapping off at the threads is a deal breaker for me. I look harder and buy more Snuffers.
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From: M60gunner
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Date: 02-Aug-18 |
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I believe F&S Archery in Tustin, CA. still has some left. Not sure of the weight available. I bought a couple packs of the 160’s last year. Now if I can find me a slow, dumb, Javelin to stick one in.
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From: Stealth2
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Date: 02-Aug-18 |
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I have taken 4 deer and 2 bear using the 160 gr Snuffers. I now use them for turkeys and have killed 4. Large holes, easy blood trails. Unfortunately...no longer made. I still have one dozen left still in the package.
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From: David McLendon
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Date: 02-Aug-18 |
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A Snuffer 160 requires horsepower to perform as designed. Roger Rothhaar said that he considered 60# as about the minimum bow for the 160. I have used them with 83# in the past and 67# now and I can assure that they have never flown like rocks off my bows and rarely not a complete pass through. They do hiss, but that hasn't been a problem either.
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From: DarrinG
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Date: 02-Aug-18 |
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I shot them for years, from the big original 160's down to the 125's made by Thunder Valley. They all had that "hiss of death" as I've heard it called. I'm now shooting Woodsmans and the last of the 125 TV Snuffers. My Woodsman's hiss also. I've never had a deer come unglued because of the hiss in flight. If they do hear it, they haven't reacted until a big hole is in them already.
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From: ottertails
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Date: 02-Aug-18 |
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Big holes, lots of blood on the ground, Deer dropping dead in sight in nearly all cases, if not, short tracking jobs. Killed a bunch with the 160 and the 145 heads. Haven't used them in 12 years or more....have a few of each left over from the '80s....and a pack of 6 made by Magnus unused (keepin' 'em).:)
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From: Sawtooth (Original)
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Date: 02-Aug-18 |
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I wish that that Mr. Smith would either start up again or sell the MAgnus Classic name and equipment. I don't know all the circumstances surrounding the closing of his business, but the Magnus I's II's and snuffers are great heads that need to be brought back to the market. I have put a lot of meat on the table with Magnus II's.
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From: jrh24
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Date: 02-Aug-18 |
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About 20 years ago a pipe fitter I worked with, that also owned an archery shop, and I were talking broadheads. I told him I liked 3 blade Snuffers. He said he had some at the shop and they never sold any.(mostly compound shooters) Anyway, the next day he brings them to the job site and says "if you buy them all, you can have them for a buck apiece". My only regret is he only had 42 of them!! Ive been shooting them ever since and see no reason to ever switch. John
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From: Grabwad
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Date: 03-Aug-18 |
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I wish someone would make a three blade with the same dimensions.. solid would be great too! I’ve killed a bunch of animals with 145gr Snuffers!
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From: Bowmania
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Date: 03-Aug-18 |
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Big Jim made a broadhead that was better than the Snuffer. For two reasons, it was a solid blade and the tip was trocar. Actually there's a third. it was a tad longer, maybe a 1/4 and a little wider, so 4 reasons. I can't swear to the wider, I was comparing a sharpened Snuffer to an un-sharpened Big Jim. You don't need to sharpen the Big Jim.
I was going to do a review on them, but he ran out. He had VPA make them so they were really a high quality head. I was thinking of starting a thread to see if there was any interest in asking him to do another run.
I'll see if I can take a good picture and post it.
Bowmania
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From: Bowmania
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Date: 03-Aug-18 |
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Here's the Big Jim. Sorry about the quality of the picture, I took it with my phone instead of a camera. If you look closely at the tip you should be able to see the trocar.
Bowmania
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From: tonto59
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Date: 03-Aug-18 |
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The only bad point I can think of about Snuffer's is you have to clean all the vent holes after a good hit. They make a very big hole!
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From: Dave Lay
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Date: 03-Aug-18 |
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So did big Jim stop having them made ? And what weights were they available in ? The fella that commented on the 160 snuffer dropping like a rock either isn’t tuned right or is normally shooting very light arrows
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From: Bowmania
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Date: 03-Aug-18 |
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Dave, the one in the picture is 250. I know Jim had 300 which I'm pretty sure was screw in. There were others, but I was late finding out about them.
Bowmania
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From: Bowmania
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Date: 03-Aug-18 |
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Dave, the one in the picture is 250. I know Jim had 300 which I'm pretty sure was screw in. There were others, but I was late finding out about them.
Bowmania
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From: Justin
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Date: 03-Aug-18 |
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Nice pics!
Surprised someone hasn’t picked up with making the snuffers. Sad to see them go. I’ve got 20. Ought to last the rest of my life.
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From: Grabwad
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Date: 03-Aug-18 |
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250 without an insert.. I’m shooting 200gr heads. I’ll need a 150 glue on or so
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From: Grabwad
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Date: 03-Aug-18 |
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If he made a 200 screw in with 1.5” cut, I’d send them thru a deer.
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From: Stealth2
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Date: 03-Aug-18 |
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Shawn...I remember when you and Curt were here in my shop picking up your Kwyk Styk. I also remember sharpening up a few Snuffers for you. Glad they worked...LOL. When I bowhunted Bears with Rothaar back in '86 he showed me his method of sharpening them up, then I showed him mine. We both could get our heads shaving sharp but we agreed there was a few out there, no matter how hard we tried...couldn't shave hair...but still sharp enough to kill.
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From: rraming
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Date: 03-Aug-18 |
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Just read something that said if you sand the back of the vent they will not hiss, maybe, not as much. I have 6 mounted for this year, 145 grain. Surewoood Shafts, total weight 600
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From: Jim
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Date: 03-Aug-18 |
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You can never go wrong with a Snuffer. Just make sure you have the poundage to push them.
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From: DarrinG
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Date: 03-Aug-18 |
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I have seen some guys dismiss the 125g Snuffers (that Thunder Valley made (did Magnus make the 125's also?). And lots of guys say have the poundage to back up a 160 Snuffer. I've killed deer with both the 160 and 125 grain heads, and I don't dismiss the 125's if I'm shooting lower poundages. The 125's at 1 1/4" cut is no slouch either. I've had excellent success with them in the past with 45# bows.
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From: Ranman
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Date: 03-Aug-18 |
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I made up some 125gn screw in Snuffers for my 45# Whip. They fly great, and will be in my quiver this fall.
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From: David McLendon
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Date: 03-Aug-18 |
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There's nothing stopping VPA from making a better head than a 160 Snuffer, they just don't. Surely they realize that a 1 1/2" diameter hole is better than 1 1/8". You have to wonder why that is, 'cause me and a whole lot of others would buy a lot of them.
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From: David McLendon
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Date: 03-Aug-18 |
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I guess they are trying to out live the Snuffer, Screw'em I have a stash and I have a plan to live and hunt to 100. I challenge VPA to surpass the performance of the 160 grain Snuffer within 1 year, and a 1 1/18" diameter radius ain't gonna do it. Win me over, I'm waiting...
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From: Glunt@work
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Date: 03-Aug-18 |
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VPA does make a 1 1/4" diameter. I can't recall a shot where I think 1/4" more would have made a big difference and penetration should offset some of the diameter difference. That said, I have used Snuffers with only one bad experience where the tip curled. I got rid of the needle point after that.
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From: David McLendon
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Date: 03-Aug-18 |
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Size Matters, That sounds bad I know, but it's a fact.
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From: David McLendon
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Date: 03-Aug-18 |
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The designer of the 160 grain Snuffer recommended a minimum draw weight of 60#, when propelled by that weight and above penetration has never been an issue. More of an issue is finding your arrow somewhere past the other side of what you shot. The big Snuffer was never intended for lightweight bows.
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From: Wapiti - - M. S.
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Date: 04-Aug-18 |
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I've used the Magnus 2 blades before with good results.Will be trying the 3 blade Snuffers as soon as I can.
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From: Bowmania
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Date: 04-Aug-18 |
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Let me ask you guys a question. If you were going to get into the broadhead business (for profit of course - hard to believe I'd have to mention that) would you manufacture a broadhead that's 1 1/8 inch wide that's good for women and kids AND COMPOUNDERS or a man's broadhead that's 1 1/2 inches wide and good for stickbows?
I'm wondering how many would be supporting Big Jim's broadhead now that they're both gone. I've been talking to Ron at VPA on cost and manufacturing of broadheads. I have to give Big Jim credit to do what he did. I hope he has another run of BH's. Now, he could call them the RMH head. Roger's Memorial Head. Rothaar's Memorial Head.
Grabwad, Have you ever thought of this? You buy say a 200 grain screw in. The're expensive. In two years you need a 250 grain head because of a change in what ever. What are you going to do with your 200 grain screw in. If you had a 160 Snuffer (any kind of glue on) you could make it weight 200-235-260-285 etc. I have a Snuffer that weighs 360 and could make it a tad over 400.
Shawn, I understand you thoughts on VPA rip off, but are you taking in consideration the width difference. Big Jim took all the good parts of a VPA and made it better for guys like us.
David, I've killed a lot of whitetails with 50 pounds. If it wasn't a pass through the off shoulder blade stopped the head. Not really fair, but I'll be hunting with a Snuffer this year and pushing it with 39 pounds, but you know what I shoot. THe length of the head really helps the width in penetration. It's approaching a Mechanical Advantage.
Bowmania
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From: Grabwad
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Date: 04-Aug-18 |
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I love glue on heads for that reason. I change our inserts to get the weight I’m looking for.
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From: Dave Lay
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Date: 04-Aug-18 |
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As said above VPA makes a 1 1/4 head in 200 grain and maybe 175 screw in. But the head is a little shorter than the standard 3 blade of that weight. Didn’t VPA make the head for big Jim ?
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From: David McLendon
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Date: 04-Aug-18 |
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Todd, I'm not saying 50# wont carry a 160, I'm just repeating what Roger said, that he considered 60# a reliable minimum for the 160. I have recently re-aggravated a non-archery left shoulder (drawing arm) injury in the weight room. Things were going really well one day and I thought a little more would be better, bad decision. Consequently I have a 55# hybrid LB which is much lighter for me, that will be carrying the 160 Snuffer. I don't figure these small NC deer will be able to tell 5# difference.
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From: DanaC
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Date: 05-Aug-18 |
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Snuffers have stood the 'test of time'. If someone is worried about putting one on a carbon arrow, use aluminum! xx16 shaft should drive through, xx17 or xx18 if you're shooting heavy enough to tune it well.
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From: Sawtooth (Original)
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Date: 05-Aug-18 |
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Tradmt- really good point. I can go along with that. Some of my best blood trails have been from narrow grizzly heads.
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From: David McLendon
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Date: 05-Aug-18 |
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There are 5 more in the mailbox this morning that I need to walk down and pick up, just not enough coffee yet. ;)
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From: David McLendon
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Date: 06-Aug-18 |
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I'd suggest buying up all tht you can find as I do.
Here is the response from VPA after I contacted them about building a 1.5" diameter 3 Blade like the 160 Snuffer:
Hello David, Thank you for your inquiry. In the past, we have produced snuffer sized broadheads for Big Jim's Bow Company, but the glue on weighed 250gr and the screw-in weighed 300gr. Since our broadheads are machined from a solid bar of steel, they are going to weigh more than a multi piece head like the snuffer and the cost will be significantly higher because of the machine time and material.
VPA Team Vantage Point Archery 260.478.8722
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From: JFH
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Date: 06-Aug-18 |
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The only broadhead I,ve shot since going trad in 1992. Use 125,145 and 160s depending on what head/arrow/bow combo shot best. Shot through a big Ohio doe with my daughters 42# recurve,2014 shafts and 160 snuffers. Sharp and good flight is more important than bow horsepower............. Still hoarding about 2 dozen each.
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From: BigJim
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Date: 08-Aug-18 |
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BigJim is a Stickbow.com Sponsor - Website |
Twice I have had VPA make the 1 1/2" heads for me. Call it a nock off if you want, but it was never a secret who made them.. infact, all I told them was that I wanted a really big BH and they designed it. The first one was huge! but at 400g.. they would be even more difficult to sell. They were available in 250g glue on and 300g screw in. Nearly indestructable! The only way to make them lighter was to vent them or shorten them... I guess they could make the blades thinner as well... not an option in my opinion.
It took years to sell each batch that I had made. I have killed many critters with them as well and I have a life time supply of used heads for myself.
Every time I would run out, I would get requests to have another batch made. It's just not worth it for what little money is to be made and to take years to sell.
The VPA head is one of the best on the market and they offer more sizes than most anyone. They just don't offer the real large diameter because they don't sell as well.
David Mclendon, I was amazed to hear you say that you broke 2 as I have never heard a negative word about VPA broadheads and they survived many animal and ground hits from my 80Lbs and up bows without as much as a bend.
My experience is that people only seem to want things when they can no longer get them.
BigJim
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From: Justin
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Date: 08-Aug-18 |
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Have been thinking of dedicating my 2018 season to Roger and using the big snuffers.
Justin
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From: Shoe
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Date: 08-Aug-18 |
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The snuffer will always be one of the best 3 blades ever used. I would sure like to find a pack of 145 glue on. Having dropped some in poundage, the 145's are a little smaller. I had the privilege of meeting Roger back in the day at his home in Oceola, Ohio when he was cranking out snuffers in his basement.
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From: Justin
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Date: 08-Aug-18 |
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Lucky u!!
I only knew him over the phone. What a gem!!!
Justin
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From: Tajue17
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Date: 11-Aug-18 |
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Roger did say to use a minimum of 60# with the 160's but I have used 160 snuffers from a 48# LB with no problems my shots averaged maybe 15 to 17yds with a perfect bare shaft tuned carbon arrow. this year I will try one from a 47# selfbow with 560grain finished woodies...... I'm only taking a good broadside shot from the ground with this and based on experience with big snuffers I think I will be fine..
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From: David McLendon
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Date: 11-Aug-18 |
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BigJim: " David Mclendon, I was amazed to hear you say that you broke 2 as I have never heard a negative word about VPA broadheads and they survived many animal and ground hits from my 80Lbs and up bows without as much as a bend."
It has happened twice for me. I got a PM here from someone who has had it happen, and Patrick Kelly (PDK25) started a thread "Do as I say not as I do" over on TG and mentions that it has happened to him. In that thread another person posted that they too have had them snap off ahead of the threads. After checking back to that thread I note tht the guy who PM'd me posted on Pat's thread. I'm stocked up on Titanium adaptors for my Snuffers so threads are not an issue there.
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From: Buckdancer
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Date: 11-Aug-18 |
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Help - try as I mite I can't get mine sharp .rada wheel .files ect . Guess I'll use my grizzlys
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From: Car54
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Date: 11-Aug-18 |
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Buck dancer, have you tried the Rick Barbee way of sharpening three blade broadheads on YouTube? It does work well.
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From: Buckdancer
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Date: 11-Aug-18 |
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Thanks for the pm Dave . And thank you car 54 I'll check it out
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From: Hermon
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Date: 15-Aug-18 |
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Has anyone asked VPA if they could make a vented 3 blade, around 1 1/2" diameter? Would be a nice replacement for the snuffer I would think.
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From: Jimbob
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Date: 15-Aug-18 |
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I had really good luck with game recovery when using a snuffer. The problem was I kept bending the blades on them if I hit bone. I don't know If I got a bad batch or if that is a common problem.
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