From: RJH1
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Date: 20-Jul-18 |
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What is your "idea" traditional 3d class? To be as open at the beginning as possible, lets say traditional bows are single string bows with no letoff, like a recurve, longbow, selfbow, etc, not like and onieda. Xbows need not apply either haha. And lets assume 1 class total.
What you allow or restrict?
Bow material Sights Sighting methods Clickers elevated/adjustable rest kisser buttons stabilizers arrow material binoculars rangefinders max range on targets release styles/types and anything else I am not thinking of
So how would you do it?
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 20-Jul-18 |
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I would refer to the NFAA rules that would apply to compound barebow and barebow bowhunter. The problem is we have people making up rules to satisfy their own idea of what traditional is. Usually it disallows things that have been around for over half a century, deferring instead to new ideas of what it should be.
Our organizations thought this through very well in the early years, so I wouldn't fix what isn't broken. Freestyle, Freestyle Bowhunter, Barebow, Barebow Bowhunter. If you peruse the rules and classes it would apply just fine without trying to reinvent history.
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From: RJH1
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Date: 20-Jul-18 |
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Reposted with some commas, was supposed to be stacked but didn't come out that way
What is your "idea" traditional 3d class? To be as open at the beginning as possible, lets say traditional bows are single string bows with no letoff, like a recurve, longbow, selfbow, etc, not like and onieda. Xbows need not apply either haha. And lets assume 1 class total. What you allow or restrict?
Bow material, Sights, Sighting methods, Clickers, elevated/adjustable rest, kisser buttons, stabilizers, arrow material, binoculars, rangefinders, max range on targets, release styles/types, and anything else I am not thinking of
So how would you do it?
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From: Sipsey River
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Date: 20-Jul-18 |
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My opinion: Whatever rules or classes, there should be a legitimate reason for that class or rule. Rules and classes should not be based on the thought that "it has always been that way." Classes for adult men, longbow, recurve, self bow, seniors. Women's classes should be the same if there are enough participants to compete. All classes: No sights, no stabilizers, everything else is acceptable including elevated rests, plungers, clickers.
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From: M60gunner
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Date: 20-Jul-18 |
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I want to say use the KISS approach but that goes by the wayside when trying to attract shooters. We used NFAA rules at first but when club went with IBO we used their rules except for adding a few changes like all arrow materials in LB class at our Trad only shoots. One thing that I do believe in is whatever the Trad classes are for any given shoot should be posted on the club’s website and especially on any advertising for any events. That consideration saves a lot of bad feelings, trust me. Even if it should say “we follow ...... rules on equipment”.
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From: 3D Archery
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Date: 20-Jul-18 |
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Any bow that" 1) Bow: One Piece design 2) No attachments, elevated rest, Stabilizers, Grips, Plungers 3) No weights attached or built into the riser 4) Finger & Thumb ring only 5) Single nocking point (One above and below the arrow is okay) 6) Arrows, any type
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From: Therifleman
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Date: 20-Jul-18 |
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Barebow-- self bow, longbow, recurve. Shoot off the shelf. No plungers, rests, sights or stabilizers, no clickers or gadgets. Shoot however you want--- anchor where you want, fingers on string where you want.
Very simple-- all equipment is on same plain ( barebow). How you interface with it is up to you.
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From: jk
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Date: 20-Jul-18 |
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No problem with NFAA. My impression is that club/shoot officers can/do tweak them according to local situations.
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From: eddie c
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Date: 20-Jul-18 |
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Fun class: no scoring. shoot any distance from the farthest stake up to the target, must remain in the shooting lane of that target for safety reasons. I may have a competition with my friends but I don't care about trophies. I just want to shoot and have fun. sometimes I keep score to compare myself to others but not for a trophy.
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From: 2 bears
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Date: 20-Jul-18 |
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Fun class: Shoot whatever you want,however you want,from any place in the lane you want. Archers class: Stock Longbow or recurve as they come from bowyer. No assists,weights,sights,or plungers. Use the digits of your hand,fingers or thumb,with protection only.Glove or tab handheld. Pull the string anyway you want. Typical / average hunting ranges for the species of target out to the occasional 30 yarder. Safety being the only dominating rule. That is the class I shoot when by myself. >>>----> Ken
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From: larryhatfield
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Date: 20-Jul-18 |
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If you are going to have rules, just follow USAArchery's rules for their traditional championships. They make sense and do not favor anybody.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 20-Jul-18 |
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If you're shooting for fun, you already have a class at 3D shoots...it's the non-competitive class. ;) The classes in these new "Trad" venues are fine the way they are.
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From: Rick Barbee
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Date: 20-Jul-18 |
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I would follow the IBO Trad rules with three minor changes.
(1) I would change the fletching rule to read a (minimum) of 2 X 1" in all classes.
(2) I would not have any rule (in any class) regulating how, or where the archer addresses the string on the bow with his, or her fingers.
(3) I would not have any rule (in any class) regulating how, or where the archer anchors for the shot.
Rick
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From: DanaC
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Date: 20-Jul-18 |
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For every restriction proposed, there's a question - why not? No stabilizers? Howatt Super Diablos had 'em 40 years ago. No elevated rests? How many old recurves were actually designed for shooting off the shelf? (Dam' few!)
Too many people take their ideal of 'traditional' from Fred Asbel's description of -his- ideal bow.
And then there's the whole notion of combining shooting 'method'restrictions with equipment restrictions.
I'd like to see a class for 'period' bows, say from 1955 until the advent of the compound (Allen/Jennings era.)
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From: dean
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Date: 20-Jul-18 |
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There should be tree stand shots and shooting from a stall, so Frisky can join in on the fun. No yardage discussions and time limits at the shooting line. i don't like the ones that require toeing a stake, Toeing a stake makes assumptions that all shooters will be right handed, are tall enough to clear the stake, which is often a pole. At one shoot , I switched to left hand and sat on the ground and hooked my foot on it, to get under a branch and to not slide down the hill. I was accused of cheating because my toe was not touching the stake. My accuser a pro rep said I'll show you what to do with these. He slid down the clay mud hill on his back, when his deep squat failed him.
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From: Babbling Bob
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Date: 20-Jul-18 |
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Whatever someone shoots with as long as it has one string, or a "bio" class (Bring-It-On) class".
Everyone likes the word "bio" today, so a bio class would be environmentally friendly class with any feature you like to put on your bow. All materials used for the bow or arrows should be natural and biodegradable, or recyclable. This would would include almost everything we use now (plastics, wood, feathers, and metals). Each target and stakes would be made of recycled materials.
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From: WB
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Date: 20-Jul-18 |
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I like NFAA rules. I'd hate to see participation tank if the rules became to restrictive.
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From: JusPassin
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Date: 20-Jul-18 |
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I used to worry more about this stuff. I'm pretty much over it now.
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 20-Jul-18 |
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I saw have more classes so more people can get a trophy.
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From: JamesV
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Date: 21-Jul-18 |
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Over the years I have seen rules and equipment restrictions used to protect the resident champ.
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From: gluetrap
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Date: 21-Jul-18 |
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2 classes 1.barebow any rest ,plunger whatever.. imo a tuned arrow off the shelf will work as good as any. 2. unlimited,every thing go*s. if you got it ? bring it! let the cry babies get over it :) what B.saph and especially JamesV said.
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 21-Jul-18 |
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In our politically correct society we have gotten so all participants need a trophy. They add more classes to get more participants.
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From: Bill Rickvalsky
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Date: 21-Jul-18 |
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However you want to classify equipment is fine by me. The only reason for separation by equipment should be if such equipment provides an advantage over shooting without it. And equipment should be the only basis for classifications. How you use the equipment should not matter. People can get very good at any number of different methods of use.
My ideal class would allow for a single stick with a single string and nothing attached to either of them. Simple as that. I don't even care if recurves and longbows are in the same class.
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