Traded for a 66" High Sierra. How are they for speed, quietness, smoothness etc? Seem to be a very nice looking bow.

Anyone?

They are great bows. I have two friends that shoot them, and both think they are great. Both kill deer and elk with them every year. Ron is a great guy. Come to think of it, he took my last Michelob Lite from my fridge one year when he was hunting on of my friends property here. He traded a bow for hunt. It's been a while, but if I remember correctly, he killed a nice 9ptr.

I had one and it was great looking and shot good too. My problem is I like very low grips, and even though he made it lower, I just couldn't get used to it, so I'm still shooting my I.L.F. Dalaa riser at the moment.

Well I guess you will find out if you already traded. )) Most of it will be feel and Norm makes a great bow. Not sure what else you may be looking for since quiet is a tuning thing, and smoothness is a personal thing. My best guess is you will love it as long as it fits.

Quiet has to do with tuning and really nothing to do with bow design.

Not may cases of one bow being substantially faster then any other aslong as both are similar design and contain similar materials.

Smooth that you are talking about is a subjective thing based on how it feels to you. Very few bows actually DON"T have a smooth force/draw curve if you measuer them and weigh them.

Although I am a widow man my first good recurve was a Fox (miss that bow) my roommate has one they are great bows. They are fast in my experience and shoot great if I didn't shoot widows that is what I would have still may have another some day. My roommate shot a eight point this year with her low poundage Fox. Widow

Isn't a Fox about as nice as they get?

Really nice bows. I had one and regret selling it. Very quiet design. Unlike what FDP said some bows are quieter than others ands due to design. Tuning affects quietness but some are just quieter. The High Sierra was to me a very quiet bow.

"Unlike what FDP said some bows are quieter than others ands due to design".....uhhh, no. I've never seen that in 40 years of doing this. Not unless it had something loose flopping around on it.

Years only have to do with age not overall wisdom. So your saying that design can effect speed but not sound? To say that design can effect all characteristics of a bow except one is not very practical. Sure all bows can be made quiet to an extent but some lean to be quieter than others through design.

Physically, it is possible to make almost all bows similarly quiet, but you may have to make sacrifices in other areas to achieve that. Materials used, limb design, takedown areas, and nock design can all affect noise.

Ok...here's the deal. Yes, some bows are inherently more quiet then others.

And years do add to overall wisdom 9if only be default) as those years have afforded me the opportunity to shoot and handle lots of bows. Do lots of force/draw curves to know how many bows out there ACTUALLY stack, as well as take measurements on lamination tapers and so on, to see what difference taper rates do or don't make in how a bow performs.

For example, the quitest design of them all is a straight, all wood bow, with a reasonable brace height.

Now, that being said, many D/R longbows, and virtually all recurves let the string contact the limb at some point.

There are folks that have to use cat whiskers or puffs on a straight bow to keep it quiet. That's not the bow, that's the release of the person shooting the bow more often then not.

However, if one wishes to believe that a particular bow, based on it's design, is going to be quieter then another for EVERYONE that picks it up, that's peachy. It's wraong, but that's ok.

The ONLY way for someone to know how quiet ANY bow is going to be when they shoot it, is to shoot it. Period.

So you do believe that design affects all aspects of the bow except for harmonics but yet you kind of contradicted yourself. If you truly believe that design does not affect noise then you need a few more years of that wisdom ;).

We were not talking about the human interaction that causes a bow to have a higher level of noise just the design. Sure if you pluck the string it's going to be louder.

Well....this kind of a silly discussion, but I'm bored so...

I guess you could say I did kind of contradict myself, because I didn't quantify my statement about straight limbed self bows by prefacing with "in my opinion/experience".

However, you CAN'T remove the human element, unless the O.P. intends to shoot the bow froma rest, which was mot indicated.

I have seen many instances when one person could shoot a bow and it was dead quiet. Someone else can shoot the same bow and it sounds like a .22 rifle going off. And I would be surprised if you haven't seem the same thing. Also, it isn't neccessarily the release, it can be the grip, the finger placement on the string, the way the pressure is applied in the finger placement etc.. That's one of the reasonas there is no cut and dried set the bow up this way and it will shoot dead quiet and lights out for anybody that picks it up.

Now, if there is some type of evidence out there, showing this particular bow being shot from a mechanical rest, comparing the noise to other bows of same or similar design, which proves it is inherently quieter, I would love to see it.

Dinner is ready, I'm going to eat now.

I think you have an issue with reading comprehension. You keep going back to the human aspect of the shot and from one shooter to the next. Anyone can make a bow quiet with changing string purchase, string material, arrow weight, string silencers etc.

Your statement that I find completely ludicrous "Quiet has to do with tuning and really NOTHING TO DO WITH BOW DESIGN." Again you are stating that bow design affects everything but harmonics. I think you know this to be true cause you said as much in your previous statement. "For example, the quietest design of them all is a straight, all wood bow, with a reasonable brace height."

Harmonics are created by a vibrating string or column of air. Essentially, based on harmonics, and the theory you are promoting, any 2 bows, of the same design, made from the same materials should have the same harmonics when held in the same fashion,with the string plucked the same way. Perhaps that's true.

However, the difference in the way the bows are held, the string is plucked, where the string is plucked etc. have more affect on the harmonic tone then the materials that the object (in this case a bow) are made from.

So, again, if there is some sort of evidence out there, that indicates the the "harmonics" of this bow, and understand I'm a big Fox fan, are any more or less quiet than any other bow of the same design, or that these "harmonics" make the be any easier or difficult for everyone to shoot quietly, I would love to see them. I'm pretty sure that eveidence doesn't exist.

How can you discuss the quietness of a bow, without including the human aspect if this evidence isn't avaialble?

And here is your statement "Anyone can make a bow quiet with changing string purchase, string material, arrow weight, string silencers etc. " Kind of what I said in the beginning with out listing the individual things to be considered. Those things are are all part of tuning.

Again for those in the back of the room.

You stated in your first post "Quiet has to do with tuning and really nothing to do with bow design."

Then your last post, "So, again, if there is some sort of evidence out there, that indicates the the "harmonics" of this bow, and understand I'm a big Fox fan, are any more or less quiet than any other bow of the same design, or that these "harmonics" make the be any easier or difficult for everyone to shoot quietly, I would love to see them. I'm pretty sure that eveidence doesn't exist."

So you do admit that a bows design does have influence over it being quiet or not. In your last post you point out "of the same design". Why worry about it being of the same design if design has nothing to do with any attributes of sound?

So, design does have influence over harmonics, or the sound made at the shot, with out including any factors of the shooter. Thus, FDP can admit that everything else being equal one bow can be quieter than another due to design.

Any bow can be tuned to be as quiet as it can be and the shooter can impart bad mechanics to influence sound as well. That's not the subject. It's design.

I like my Fox Breed.It must have good harmonics because its quiet.Good tillering and the narrow deep cored limbs dampen out quickly.It has a SBD string and wool puffs.

Many things play a part in how quiet a bow shoots.Pretty sure design and near perfect tillering should get some credit.

I am sure the Sierra is a very nice bow.The Royal Crown I shot was very nice at Kalamazoo this year and the Tripple Crown I had was also very nice shooting.

And this is for everybody in the room. Although most don't care I'm sure. You stated in your post that design affects the noise a bow makes. I'm not admitting or denying that affects noise.

I'm challenging you, on 2 different occasions, to provide evidence of this fact.

And you haven't done it. You are the own who brought the word harmonics into the conversation not me. Again, I am trying to get you to provide evidence of the harmonics not to be affected by human interaction which can't be ruled out since the bow is being shot with human influence.

You still haven't provided ANY evidence that the harmonics created by the design of this bow or any other serve to make iany inherently quieter than any other bow, or bow design. Which is the argument you are trying to make.

And the reason to compare like designs is because to not compare like designs is well....just stupid.

This statement " "So, again, if there is some sort of evidence out there, that indicates the the "harmonics" of this bow, and understand I'm a big Fox fan, are any more or less quiet than any other bow of the same design, or that these "harmonics" make the be any easier or difficult for everyone to shoot quietly, I would love to see them. I'm pretty sure that evidence doesn't exist." is asking you to provide evidence to support your ppoint. Which of course you still have not one.

Have the one piece Maverick- best recurve I have shot

ultra nicely made too

FDP you are a broken record with a comprehension issue. Read slow and twice if needed.

Your 1st post you say design does not affect a bows quietness.

Your 3rd post points out that you truly don't believe your first post.

The argument has nothing to do with the human interaction or a specific model bow. It was only about DESIGN and that it can affect the sound a bow makes and one design can be quieter than another if everything else is equal. as for testing and data, you don't need that. Your argument is like saying speed has nothing to do with design.

So to recap, You have admitted that design does affect sound or harmonics. Either that or you can't remember what you said or understand what you write.

I got you the definition of harmonics since you think the word was use incorrectly.

noun plural noun: harmonics 1. MUSIC an overtone accompanying a fundamental tone at a fixed interval, produced by vibration of a string, column of air, etc., in an exact fraction of its length. 2. PHYSICS a component frequency of an oscillation or wave.

A quiet bow is my top priority in a bow, I had several bows (Cascade Golden Hawk and BW TF11) that sound like a .22 cal going off and I did everything to shut it down. What was strange I was just visiting BW shop right after Beck sold it and the showroom TF11 was very quiet shooting 3 under but they wouldn't sale it and I bought the same model off the Classified and it went down the road. I had a Fox and it was a sweet shooter but had to drop # due to rotators or I would still have it, craftsmanship was excellent.

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