So I am wondering if a newish bear grizzly can safely be shot with fast flight?

Any bow can be safely shot with Fastflight. It's hard to imagine a new bow that would not be able, or even to explain why.

I shoot Fastflight on a 52 year old semi recurve that has no tip overlays. I have over a thousand shots through it and zero marks on the string notches or any indication of any anomaly. I've been doing that on all my own bows for about a decade now.

Now that said, you should pick a string material you like and use it, and don't be afraid to try new things that have not been verified in actuality over time.

Thanks George, I really like shooting carbons and have struggled with the knocks sticking on the dacron strings, but the fast flight are great with the small knocks.

Pet bear the standard grizzly is not FF compatible but the super Grizzly is. I shoot b50 on a 2016 model Grizzly and it's very quiet and shoots and arrow with plenty speed

Zagnee, the bow I'm using it on is a 1966 Black Hawk Scorpion, made in East McKeesport, Pa. It has fairly narrow tips, just maple and colored glass with no overlays. I'm using 450x on it that is 10 strands with 16 in the loops. It just makes a nicer shooting bow altogether. It's also quiet as any material.

I check the loops about every two weeks to see if there is any wear or unusual reaction. So far, nothing after a lot of shots..over a thousand. I also have the same bow that I reduced in length due to a crushed end. I sawed off both tips by about an inch, and reshaped and cut new string nocks. That bow is also shot with a BCY-X string and shoots great. That bow should break at some point since it was in relatively rough shape, but it keeps on going with (so far) no sign of disaster.

Bear says no. But it's your choice.

Thanks for all the comments guys!

If it's a warranty issue, you may want to think about that. If the warranty is up, then I would use what I like.

George is right. I have a 1974-75 Bear Grizzly and with Dacron the bow has hand shock and it just doesn't shoot well. I shoot it with D97 or equivalent string and no hand shock and it feels like a entirely different bow, it's great.

That is easy to say (go ahead and use fast flight on a non fast flight bow) gents when it’s not your bow. I will say that he should use what the manufacturer recommends. Just my thoughts. Better safe then sorry.

I've been shooting D-97 on 40-year-old Bear TD red tip limbs for a half dozen years or more now. Reduces limb vibration and adds to performance. IMO, low stretch strings are easier on bows than B-50, provided the loops are sufficiently padded.

Not telling him to do it, I'm telling him I would do it and not to listen to everyone's horror stories...which are 90% what they heard from their cousin's, uncle's great aunt. Once the bow is out of warranty I would sure use low stretch.

I've shot this stuff for near a decade now, and likely a lot more than any one else here shoots...except for the competitive guys. I don't want to hear rumor this and that, I have the positive experience..on old bows with zero tip protection. So I speak of what I experience, not what my cousin's, uncle's great aunt said.

But whatever, you should shoot what you're comfortable with and have confidence in. I didn't buy in to the hype and found out for myself. My gain.

It's interesting how some peoples opinions have changed when you read their older posts from many years ago. Use what you like, it's your bow.

Try numerous different string materials and find out what you like best first hand.

Thanks for all the comments guys,

Here's an interesting old AT thread

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/sho wthread.php? t=3892753#/topics/3892753?page=1

And here's one from 2009 on TradTalk with opinions from guys like Rusty Craine and Bill Stewart

http://tradtalk.com/forums/showth read.php?t=17538#/topics/17538? page=1

This happened this morning (4/20) after setting up an archery golf course for a shoot tomorrow. This was not a Bear bow. A 52# bow with tips not set up for ff using a 16 strand ff string. Need I say more

Wow.Therin lies the risk.

I have a newer Grizzly. Bear rep told me FF string is not recommended but I still put one on. No problems at all and shoots much better. I do what's I am comfortable with and to me it's worth the risk. Rep gave no supporting data just said not recommended.

marc sorry to see your bow got damaged. Glad you didn't get hurt.

Dear Fast Flite Shills:

Please tell us that you have been using fast flite on any old bow you resell on Ebay.

(Bet if you do this, your resale price drops like a rock.)

I’ve shot BCYX on older Bear T/D limbs with no issues. Bow performed better and was quieter. I’ve personally never heard of an issue as long as the loops are padded well.

Sometimes they blow up, sometimes they don't. Only you can decide if it's worth the risk.

Most of the time it is just fine. Right up to the time it isn't. They seldom give any warning. Manufacturers say no. Odd, every picture I have ever seen of a cut tip or shattered bow,someone asks what makes you think it was fast flight it might have broken anyway. Different folks shoot different,different bows,arrow weights,number of shots,a dry fire. Temperatures vary greatly within the reach of this site.Bow storage,the list is endless. Bottom line, it is your bow. B55 has given me no problems and I have never had a bow fail. I am only 76 so maybe I'm due. I do want to try some of the newer material but I will carefully choose the bow it goes on,to see if all the benefits are worth while. Good luck,>>>----> Ken

I ripped the tip off a Carrol's Gentleman Jim TD 35 years ago with dacron....now what?

35 years ago??? I guess it is too late to do a post mortem. I hope you have found a replacement. I just don't know "now what" unless we go back to sinew. I have a number of bows still going strong after 40 to 50 years. After seeing the picture above,and that is not the first one,plus the reps. frowning on it. I may just stay with B55.Have a good evening. >>>----> Ken

The Gentleman Jim bow was actually repaired is is still shoot able. Just saying if the bow gets damaged it may not be the type of string fault. I was against low stretch strings for many years until George and Rick convinced me to try it. I used an 8 strand D97 padded to 16 in the loops on a 50# Super Kodiak. I figured I would not be out a lot of bucks if the bow broke. It was like a totally new bow as to the performance improvement, less noise, and felt better on draw and release. I then tried the same string set up on Bear Mag Tds, and the Bear 59er reissue. The only bow I have not put a low stretch string on is my 1954 Bear Kodiak II. No reason either way ...just haven't done it.

I have received pm's for information about the bow. It was a McKean model bow that I built about 15 years ago with none ff tips. I kept the bow as a loaner using B50 string until about a year ago when a friend needed a bow. When he took the bow I agreed to put a ff string on for him and since then he has put on thousands of shots until this happened.

I will say that I do agree that there are other factors that can be in the equation. In this case he has a 30 inch draw and he had been shooting some very light weight arrows trying for distance.

Just some information to help us make our decisions

Marc.

Yes Sir, It works fine right up until it fails. A very low percentage fail. Some bows the performance issue is probably worth worth the risk. It is not difficult to beef up the tips but for sure pad those string loops. >>>----> Ken

Marc, thanks for the added info, I blew up an ACS a couple years ago and it looks very similar to this failure and was shooting the string that came with bow. I think I had it stored improperly more than anything. I definitely felt it was something I did, though I don't really know what.

A long draw on a short bow puts a lot of stress on the limbs and is probably as responsible for limb failures as any string that's on it, though the string always gets blamed.

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