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Hitting right revisited

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LBL Bows 13-Mar-18
LBL Bows 13-Mar-18
Bowmania 13-Mar-18
yahooty 13-Mar-18
LBL Bows 13-Mar-18
moebow 13-Mar-18
LBL Bows 13-Mar-18
aromakr 13-Mar-18
Crash 13-Mar-18
The Whittler 13-Mar-18
LBL Bows 13-Mar-18
Clydebow 13-Mar-18
sqrlgtr 13-Mar-18
JustSomeDude 13-Mar-18
Elderly OCR 13-Mar-18
fdp 13-Mar-18
Archer 13-Mar-18
Bowmania 13-Mar-18
LBL Bows 13-Mar-18
LBL Bows 13-Mar-18
firekeeper 13-Mar-18
Buglmin 13-Mar-18
Hal9000 13-Mar-18
fdp 13-Mar-18
fdp 13-Mar-18
JustSomeDude 14-Mar-18
From: LBL Bows
Date: 13-Mar-18




Well I'm getting kinda frustrated. I posted a thread Sunday about my arrows impacting to the right by two inches or more. I thought I fixed it by gun barreling instead of instinctive shooting, but the problem is back again. My arrows bareshaft and paper tune perfectly. I have tried so far, changing from closed to open stance, closed to extra closed stance, changing how I grip the bow, changing how I grip the string, making my strike plate thicker, gun barreling, instinctive, changed shoulder position, shot with a clicker (made the problem worse), and probably several other things. Running out of ideas to try!

From: LBL Bows
Date: 13-Mar-18




when I say they bareshaft prefect what I mean is that they fly like darts without kicking right or left, but they do group to the right along with my Fletched shafts. They are extreme foc arrows. Ours the first timbre I have tried them and they seem finicky

From: Bowmania Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 13-Mar-18




If your right handed put a stick match under your strike plate. Lift it up from the front to install it permanently.

To start use some electrical tape to tape it to the strike plate. That way you can tell if a hole match or half is needed.

And of course if you have a button, move it out left.

Clickers never make you shoot worse if you give them a chance.

Bowmania

From: yahooty
Date: 13-Mar-18




LBL, I've had the same problem lately. I've been playing with a new bow and the arrows are tuned well to it. I'll watch this post with extra interest.

I'll try the match stick trick today.

From: LBL Bows
Date: 13-Mar-18




Yahooty, are you messing with high foc arrows with it?

From: moebow
Date: 13-Mar-18




My 2 cents worth. Without seeing you shooting it is really hard (impossible) to diagnose the problem. I will suggest that it is MOST LIKELY something you are doing with your shot execution and NOT an arrow spine problem. You mention that it went away and then returned is the reason I suggest this.

You also give NO information that MAY help. Bow weight, arrow spine, arrow length, point weight, style of shooting,...

There are MANY things that can produce arrows to the right and frankly arrow spine is low on the list.

Arne

From: LBL Bows
Date: 13-Mar-18




I would like to post a video of myself shooting if someone could tell me how to do it. Why would bow weight, arrow spine, length, and point weight make a difference as long as the arrows are tuned to the bow?

From: aromakr Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 13-Mar-18




You do realize that arrows can and will group together fletched and bare if the spine is incorrect!!! Your shafts and arrows are the incorrect spine!!! they are too weak. As was suggested move the strike plate out about a 1/16" "Problem solved". And to your last question "Why would bow weight, arrow spine, length, and point weight make a difference as long as the arrows are tuned to the bow?" Because the spine is incorrect!!!

Bob

From: Crash
Date: 13-Mar-18




It gives points of reference to help diagnose problems that may be causing you to shoot to the right.

If the arrows are tuned, and you shoot your other bow(s) well, is this bow cut closer to center? That would throw off the instinctive eye until you adjust.

From: The Whittler
Date: 13-Mar-18




If you are a right hand shooter try lowering your brace height. Jut a few twists at a time should tell you.

From: LBL Bows
Date: 13-Mar-18




That makes sense, but i did try making my strike plate thicker and I tried gun barreling instead of instinctive shooting. What would happen if you're shoulders were too open to the target?

From: Clydebow
Date: 13-Mar-18




If your bare shafts are hitting to the right, they aren't perfectly tuned.

From: sqrlgtr
Date: 13-Mar-18




Have these arrowz always shot to the right or did this all of a sudden start?If yhey have always shot to the right I would guess wrong spine but if it just started??????

From: JustSomeDude
Date: 13-Mar-18




2 inches right at what distance? It's entirely possible that you are just point to the right. Or collapsing your bow arm, or plucking....

From: Elderly OCR
Date: 13-Mar-18




Or more obviously, you are not pointing where you think you are pointing.

If you shoot more than two arrows in a row that go in the wrong spot, you are just being stubborn.

From: fdp
Date: 13-Mar-18




This is a very interesting post.

So, Lee, you indicated initially that the earrows you are shooting are perfectly tuned to your bow. Now, it SOUNDS as if you are saying that the arrows group together, but the group is 2" to the right of where you are aiming. If that's the case, that's not tuned arrows. That's MATCHED arrows. MATCHED arrows, regardless of spine and weight will all group in the same spot (might not be the spot you want) as long as they are all pointed at the same spot when you release.

If the arrows are indeed grouping right, then they are weak. That said, we are only guessing, because we know nothing about the bow, the arrows, etc..

So, to see what is going on for sure, walk out to your target, and put a vertical line down the middle from top to bottom.

Now, walk back t 15 or so yards, put an arrow on the string, draw to anchor, ensure the ENTIRE arrow from the string to the point is pointed at the vertical line and shhot. Repeat this 6 times. ENSURING the whole arrow from nock to point is lined up with the vertical line.

If the arrows group to the right of the line, they are weak, if they group to the left of the line they are stiff.

From: Archer
Date: 13-Mar-18




fdp These are fleched arrows correct? Not second guessing you here just wanted to know for me personally. Thanks

From: Bowmania Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 13-Mar-18




ftp, Bob, you can lead them to water, but if they won't drink???????

Bowmania

From: LBL Bows
Date: 13-Mar-18




Guys thanks for your help so far. The arrows are paper tuned so that they shoot bullet holes. They also fly like a dart without fletchings, Not coming out of the bow knock left which would indicate that they are weak in spine. This means the arrows are tuned to the bow. I already said at the beginning of the thread that I tried making my strike plate thicker. It did not solve the problem. I will try the vertical line trick tomorrow

From: LBL Bows
Date: 13-Mar-18




This problem is happening with my other bows as well and with different arrows. It's something in doing arne is right

From: firekeeper
Date: 13-Mar-18




I get that fairly often... I think it's in my release mostly... plucking.

From: Buglmin
Date: 13-Mar-18




When I start doing this, it's my bow grip and elbow. Line everything else up and I'm shooting fine again. You know when things ain,t lined up right. This is gonna make some guys mad, but not everything is a spine issue. I can make a bare shaft show either weak or stiff just by changing how I grip the bow.

From: Hal9000
Date: 13-Mar-18




Occasionally I would fight lefts, spine to stiff was the problem. But now, if anything I fight rights, even with arrows over spined for my setup. Almost always, it is a grip issue, string direction in relation to the arrow.

From: fdp
Date: 13-Mar-18




Buglimin, changing the grip is effectively the same thing as changing the side of the string you see the arrow on in your sight picture. I can do that as well.

From: fdp
Date: 13-Mar-18




"string direction in relation to the arrow." Yep.....

From: JustSomeDude
Date: 14-Mar-18




LBL,

Pay close attention to this part of FDP's advice: " ensure the ENTIRE arrow from the string to the point is pointed at the vertical line and shhot. Repeat this 6 times. ENSURING the whole arrow from nock to point is lined up with the vertical line."

Even if it isn't the way you normally shoot, you will then see if the arrows are going where you are aiming.

People tend to jump straight to tuning when 90% of the time, the arrow isn't really pointing at the target.





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