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The perfect shot

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JamesV 13-Mar-18
Jeff Durnell 13-Mar-18
buckabow 13-Mar-18
9/10 Broke 13-Mar-18
Elderly OCR 13-Mar-18
tradmt 13-Mar-18
Bowmania 13-Mar-18
Shotkizer 13-Mar-18
Riverwolf 13-Mar-18
GF 13-Mar-18
bodymanbowyer 13-Mar-18
George D. Stout 13-Mar-18
Orion 13-Mar-18
Orion 13-Mar-18
Orion 13-Mar-18
Orion 13-Mar-18
Orion 13-Mar-18
Orion 13-Mar-18
Orion 13-Mar-18
Orion 13-Mar-18
George D. Stout 13-Mar-18
George D. Stout 13-Mar-18
ground hunter 13-Mar-18
Rick Barbee 13-Mar-18
1/2miledrag 13-Mar-18
Shawn 13-Mar-18
George D. Stout 13-Mar-18
Shawn 13-Mar-18
Shawn 13-Mar-18
2 bears 13-Mar-18
Clydebow 13-Mar-18
Elderly OCR 13-Mar-18
2 bears 13-Mar-18
2 bears 13-Mar-18
Sawtooth (Original) 13-Mar-18
Muskrat 13-Mar-18
3Ditional 13-Mar-18
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GF 13-Mar-18
Arrowflinger 14-Mar-18
Jeff Durnell 14-Mar-18
Shawn 14-Mar-18
9/10 Broke 14-Mar-18
9/10 Broke 14-Mar-18
JamesV 14-Mar-18
9/10 Broke 14-Mar-18
RymanCat 14-Mar-18
tradmt 14-Mar-18
Rick Barbee 14-Mar-18
Jeff Durnell 14-Mar-18
RymanCat 14-Mar-18
Clydebow 14-Mar-18
2 bears 14-Mar-18
RonG 14-Mar-18
GF 14-Mar-18
JT- Ind 14-Mar-18
Rick Barbee 14-Mar-18
Shawn 14-Mar-18
2 bears 14-Mar-18
Sawtooth (Original) 14-Mar-18
Sawtooth (Original) 14-Mar-18
tradmt 14-Mar-18
Shawn 14-Mar-18
Sawtooth (Original) 14-Mar-18
monkeyball 14-Mar-18
2 bears 14-Mar-18
babysaph 14-Mar-18
GF 15-Mar-18
RymanCat 15-Mar-18
Rick Barbee 15-Mar-18
GF 15-Mar-18
From: JamesV
Date: 13-Mar-18

JamesV's embedded Photo



The perfect shot

From: Jeff Durnell Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 13-Mar-18




So, umm, yeah... that's why I practice with aerial targets.

From: buckabow
Date: 13-Mar-18




I've seen deer jump up like that after they were hit on the ground.

From: 9/10 Broke Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 13-Mar-18




Shot placement doesn’t get any better than that. Kudos to the archer.

From: Elderly OCR
Date: 13-Mar-18




It's definitely a leap after the shot. Maybe even the second leap.

Unless an animal is dropped like a stone it's going to do evasive moves.

From: tradmt
Date: 13-Mar-18




That's a great picture!

From: Bowmania Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 13-Mar-18




Amazing what photo shop can do these days. LOL.

Bowmania

From: Shotkizer
Date: 13-Mar-18




Agree with Bowmania. Definitely looks photoshopped.

From: Riverwolf
Date: 13-Mar-18




Could be wrong , but I believe that was a picture from someones trail-camera that captured this just after the shot .....

From: GF
Date: 13-Mar-18




Either post-impact or photoshopped. Leaning towards PS, because of the amount of blood showing at entry. Well, that and the fact that I can make out what appears to be a clipping path!

And what’s with those Rompola ears???

Pretty crappy penetration in any event... but looks like a large mechanical was used, so..

From: bodymanbowyer
Date: 13-Mar-18




Yeppers, works every time.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 13-Mar-18




Save it to file and blow it up. The deer's eyes look glazed over...meaning it's already dead. And, there would be some blur if that was caught on a trail cam...unless it was at 500th of a second. And of course, it's perfectly centered in the photo. I'm not buying what they're selling. The hit was obviously good though, but my 42# bow would penetrate much better than that.

From: Orion Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 13-Mar-18




Can't put my finger on it, but i've seen that pix on the net before.

From: Orion Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 13-Mar-18




Can't put my finger on it, but i've seen that pix on the net before.

From: Orion Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 13-Mar-18




Can't put my finger on it, but i've seen that pix on the net before.

From: Orion Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 13-Mar-18




Can't put my finger on it, but i've seen that pix on the net before.

From: Orion Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 13-Mar-18




Can't put my finger on it, but i've seen that pix on the net before.

From: Orion Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 13-Mar-18




Can't put my finger on it, but i've seen that pix on the net before.

From: Orion Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 13-Mar-18




Can't put my finger on it, but i've seen that pix on the net before.

From: Orion Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 13-Mar-18




Can't put my finger on it, but i've seen that pix on the net before.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 13-Mar-18




Save it to file and blow it up. The deer's eyes look glazed over...meaning it's already dead. And, there would be some blur if that was caught on a trail cam...unless it was at 500th of a second. And of course, it's perfectly centered in the photo. I'm not buying what they're selling. The hit was obviously good though, but my 42# bow would penetrate much better than that.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 13-Mar-18




Save it to file and blow it up. The deer's eyes look glazed over...meaning it's already dead. And, there would be some blur if that was caught on a trail cam...unless it was at 500th of a second. And of course, it's perfectly centered in the photo. I'm not buying what they're selling. The hit was obviously good though, but my 42# bow would penetrate much better than that.

From: ground hunter
Date: 13-Mar-18




I would have got a pass thru, which I normally do,,,, ha ha

something not right with that photo................

From: Rick Barbee
Date: 13-Mar-18




It's not photoshopped.

I remember seeing this photo long ago, WITH accompanying video.

The guy's trail camera caught the video of the shot. Pretty cool.

Heart shot whitetail deer will often kick, and even jump like that.

Around here we call it "The Heart Shot Kick", and if/when they do it you can pretty well count on a quick kill.

Rick

From: 1/2miledrag
Date: 13-Mar-18




Orion, slow down on the caffeine bro!

From: Shawn
Date: 13-Mar-18




Yeah George even got wired out a bit. It is a trail cam pic and not photo shopped at all. Still don't think it is perfect either but darn good shot placement. Perfect to me is double lung and a pass through. Those heart shot deer can run a long way in a matter of seconds. I have some trailcam pics that would amaze with the detail!! Shawn

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 13-Mar-18




I've seen them jump like that, but it just seemed too perfect. Well you learn something every day.

From: Shawn
Date: 13-Mar-18

Shawn's embedded Photo



Here is a trail cam pic. Not a real expensive camera either!! Shawn

From: Shawn
Date: 13-Mar-18

Shawn's embedded Photo



Another!!

From: 2 bears
Date: 13-Mar-18




Excellent shot with camera and bow. Plenty of penetration to reach through. The movement at the jump could impede the penetration as well as the far side leg bone.

The eagle pictures are stunning. >>>----> Ken

From: Clydebow
Date: 13-Mar-18




Orion, Quit putting your finger on it!

From: Elderly OCR
Date: 13-Mar-18




Trail cam pics vary wildly in clarity.

It looks almost like a flash went off when the light didn't reallyrequire it and the glazed eye look is the tapetum lucidium illumination. I've taken some pics of my cat that look like that.

From: 2 bears
Date: 13-Mar-18




Didn't think of it but yes a flash freezes motion pretty well. Ken

From: 2 bears
Date: 13-Mar-18




Didn't think of it but yes a flash freezes motion pretty well. Ken

From: Sawtooth (Original) Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 13-Mar-18




Orion, let me make sure I got this straight------ you can't put your finger on it, but you've seen it before? :)

I think the picture is legitimate. Nothing phony about it to me. Deer jump up when they bound away. lots of blood upon entry- yeah, blood comes out when you poke sharp things in. Bad penetration? Not hardly- that arrow is buried up in the offside shoulder- which means it had to destroy everything in between. Indeed, a perfect shot. Some of you Know-it-alls (one in particular) are actually a long way from it.

From: Muskrat
Date: 13-Mar-18




Does look like a laying down dead deer, glazed eyes, no blur in photo, perfectly centered, too much blood at entry wound at moment of shot. Location and angle of arrow entry doesn't appear any shoulder or leg bone impeding penetration, yet only half of arrow in deer. Edges of deers profile don't look quite right either. I have to agree with those above that smell a fake, I think its a phony picture.

From: 3Ditional
Date: 13-Mar-18




Must've had several flashes lined up in a row to light up the whole deer to not show any shadows from the ear, arrow, and on the right rear leg. Still, that's a perfect shot.

From: WildernessBuck
Date: 13-Mar-18




I have tears from laughing so hard,you guys are killing me. That is a cool picture,it looks real to me.

From: GF
Date: 13-Mar-18




I will say this much: if I were to hit just like that on every animal I ever shot at, I would be a Very Happy Camper.

I remember getting lousy pictures (in the days of film) when my shutter speed was too fast for the flash; often, anything less than 1/60 sec would catch the shutter mid-frame. Not sure how that shakes out in digital, but unless the smear snapped at the height of that crow-hop, I don’t think that you can get adequate exposure AND a fast enough shutter to catch that action so clearly.

But I’m not much as a photographer, so what do I know?

From: Arrowflinger
Date: 14-Mar-18




Some of you guys can't give credit for anything. Someone gets a great photo and you have to jump in and say it is a fake. And you may get better penetration with a 42 pound recurve but not when your arrow hits the off side shoulder....

From: Jeff Durnell Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 14-Mar-18




I was just joking around in my first post, but I 100% believe it's a real photo. I've seen them do exactly that when heart shot... jump 6-8' straight up in the air, mule kick, one buck I shot almost did a front flip. He looked like he was doing a handstand when his front feet finally hit the ground. I watched him drop within 30 yards.

If the archer waits for the facing front leg to extend forward during a step before he takes the shot, it opens the chest up farther, and that's a good thing. The far side front leg though is coming back at that time and the arrow may hit the leg bone stopping it. But the damage is already done. Dead deer jumpin.

From: Shawn
Date: 14-Mar-18




Guys remember pic wad taken in low light, that is why the eyes look like they do. This photo wad probably taken one second after the hit. Nothing unusual about it. Dead deer for sure!! Shawn

From: 9/10 Broke Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 14-Mar-18




I believe it’s a feel good thing to dispel what others say. Seems to happen here a lot.

From: 9/10 Broke Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 14-Mar-18




I believe it’s a feel good thing to dispel what others say. Seems to happen here a lot.

From: JamesV
Date: 14-Mar-18




I don't know anything about this photo other than I thought it was interesting and maybe some of us might enjoy seeing it.

James

From: 9/10 Broke Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 14-Mar-18




And James I would say through the boiler room = perfect shot.

From: RymanCat
Date: 14-Mar-18




I have looked at this a number of times and read the comments and been reserved until now myself before I commented.

i can see where someone would think eyes are glassed over. I don't care if anyone says they seen this before either and unless they can show where they seen it before then it could be fake news? LOL

my only question is if this was a shot of the camera then why is there so much blood splattered that I question if the arrow just went in as the still shot picture was taken?

I have heart shot animals that din't jump like this sideways mine all jumper straight up in the air not side ways.

It really don't matter its just something to talk about is all anyways don't you think.

Plus why should we give credit to putting an arrow where it belongs in battery box anyways its expected to be done that way isn't it.

When things all come together like it should the result is quick recovery but if not it could be a sleepless night what do ya think. Every been there I sure have.

I would say the perfect shot is one that kills the prey quickly regardless where the shot ended up. We know the ideal double lung and passed through but in this game of inchs things just aren't always perfect.

From: tradmt
Date: 14-Mar-18




I shot a doe quartering away, arrow went through the top of the heart and she instantly left a very large splash of blood, in fact I saw the blood splash out around the fletching.

Don't know if the photo is real or not, I would say it's a pretty good fake if it is. Some here are probably just jealous that a compound shooter with a mechanical killed a bigger buck than they did.

From: Rick Barbee
Date: 14-Mar-18




RymanCat must be feeling better.

He's stalking comments looking for opportunities to say "Fake News" again. Glad you're feeling better Glenn. :-)

This picture was a frame capture from a video.

If you look closely, you can see that a lot of that blood looks as if it is in an upward flow, and not all is actually on the animal.

That is because the frame capture is of the animal returning to the ground "after" the jump, and not in the upward direction of the jump.

Like I said - I remember when this was first posted (several years ago), along with the accompanying video. I watched the video several times. It was pretty cool.

Rick

From: Jeff Durnell Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 14-Mar-18




To me, it looks like the blood droplets several inches to the right of the arrow aren't on the deer, they're flying in the air with the deer in the background.

I too have seen blood come spraying out of the wound almost instantaneously, arrow in/blood out.

Any Real Killer has surely shot enough deer through the heart to have seen them jump like that before ;^)

I almost had a video for you that day Glenn. I had a video camera in the stand with me the time I shot a buck in the heart and he jumped straight up in the air and mule kicked. A buddy of mine was in a tree 10-15 yards behind me and he saw the whole thing. I tried to get him to carry the camera that night but he didn't want to. I didn't want to either ;^)

From: RymanCat
Date: 14-Mar-18




Not feeling better yet I wouldn't say I wish I did. A tad stronger than last week which was super bad and snowed in with little heat was so cold in house had to wear all my wools and bundled up like I was outside.

Go to neuro tomorrow. Haven't been able to drive in 1 month jut to weak barley stand up and not without cane to lean on. This is very difficult dealing with it.

From: Clydebow
Date: 14-Mar-18




Where did you find that pic? Is there a link?

From: 2 bears
Date: 14-Mar-18




Have any of you--blurry pictures- game cameras are not that good- wrong shutter speeds-multiple flash posters seen the Bald Eagles in flight pictures? Fantastic pictures well worth a look at the thread. You can see the feathers on the flapping wings. A crow and an eagle in the same frame. >>>----> Ken

From: RonG
Date: 14-Mar-18




I don't understand why the person didn't nock and shoot a second arrow while the deer was in the air.......Amateurs!!!!

From: GF
Date: 14-Mar-18




Ken - a LOT would depend on the quality of the camera, I'd think. The good ones adjust shutter speed to the available light, so those shots of the eagles taken in good light can come out crisp like that...

But that's just about photography... nothing to do with the shot in question, necessarily.

From: JT- Ind
Date: 14-Mar-18




The jumping deer pic has been floating around the internet for roughly 15 yrs now. Its definitely Photoshopped, the original owner of the "pic" admitted to it years ago. Its is a neat pic though. If a person was going to do it now with the better photoshop programs out there, the quality would be much better and it would be hard to to tell the difference.

From: Rick Barbee
Date: 14-Mar-18




OK then.

This one may very well be a fake, but it definitely reminded me of the one I am thinking about.

The one I am thinking about is/was almost exactly like this one, and most certainly real.

Like I said, it's been a while since I saw, and watched the video.

Rick

From: Shawn
Date: 14-Mar-18




Glenn go to you tube, watch the videos. Hit stop a split second after the arrow strikes. Tons of shots and lots of blood is spilling at the hit. I have video of killing deer that was self filmed and have blood flow almost immediately. Nothing at all fake about this!! Shawn

From: 2 bears
Date: 14-Mar-18




Thanks Matt. I used to fancy my self a wildlife photographer. 35 MM SLR with lens out to 400 MM,doublers,all the filters,remote shutter release,and tripod. Then things went digital and all my equipment was worthless. I am just not up on it anymore. Fake or not most of the reasons for saying so are wrong. >>>---> Ken

From: Sawtooth (Original) Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 14-Mar-18




Color me hard-headed, but to me it's real. My thoughts are that 1) the deer was arrowed somewhere TO THE RIGHT OF THE FRAME- the deer reacted by jumping straight up, or "mule-kicking". The picture is actually the deer COMING BACK DOWN. Ears, tail, legs and body all suggest this. 2) the arrow, regardless of what it was shot from, is lodged in the offside side shoulder, the reason for poor penetration. Nevertheless, a fine shot. 3) Blood- Is it uncommon or impossible to have that much blood at the point (or very near to) the point of impact? No, it is not. SOme blood trails take a few yards to get going- other times it is immediate. In this case, it seems immediate. I'm not a forensic expert or a crime scene investigator. I've just done a good amount of hunting. I hate to seem argumentative, but to me the picture will pass for authentic. I don't even know why I care to defend what I think about it, Maybe it's because I'm at work and not super busy. THat must be it.

From: Sawtooth (Original) Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 14-Mar-18




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDsjbtz6jAg&t=287s

I'm not sure if that link will work, I've never posted a link before. However, this is a guy from GA. pretty well known around here. Same situation as the OP's picture---- deadly arrow, mule kick, and copious blood at impact. THe only difference- Chris' arrow went on through. THis a great video. I hope the link works.

From: tradmt
Date: 14-Mar-18




Yeah but, you can tell Stout didn't shoot it with a 42# bow because the right leg is still attached. No doubt a 1916 and a Razorhead would have vaporized it.

From: Shawn
Date: 14-Mar-18




LOL!! tradmt!! Shawn

From: Sawtooth (Original) Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 14-Mar-18




hahaha LQTM! yeah, but only once every third year.

From: monkeyball
Date: 14-Mar-18




Watch it from the very beginning.

From: 2 bears
Date: 14-Mar-18




Well said Sawtooth. >>>----> ken

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 14-Mar-18




That is an old photo

From: GF
Date: 15-Mar-18




In that case, Ken, I’m going to have to profess Ignorance… Sounds like you know a lot more about photography than I do. I’m just a guy who got a number of slides back with half of the frame blacked out by a shutter that was too fast for my flash on the old K-1000…

Probably my fault for shooting Kodachrome 60 for most of the time, but the color was just too good to pass up!

From: RymanCat
Date: 15-Mar-18




I have seen blood like this several times as well when I was close and had good light to see but this just looks flukie. If it has been around this long then that explains the poor camera shot quality.

It really don't matter anyways does it just something to talk about.

Wait a minute though what about an ass shot you know the Texas heart shots? LOL

Which Texan dreamed that saying up.LOL

From: Rick Barbee
Date: 15-Mar-18




[[[ Wait a minute though what about an ass shot you know the Texas heart shots? LOL

Which Texan dreamed that saying up. ]]]

Most likely wasn't a Texan. Just some Texan wannabe.

I give you "Tex Gribner". 8^)

Rick

From: GF
Date: 15-Mar-18




“Most likely wasn't a Texan. Just some Texan wannabe.”

JMO, it was quite possibly a Coloradan - we’re raised from birth to despise and ridicule All Things Texas. And kicking Denver’s @$$ in the Super Bowl didn’t help anything....

LOL...

All in good fun. Well, not the part about the Super Bowl, but other than that, it’s nothing like the MN-IA border war....





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