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Brass nock set removal?

Messages posted to thread:
GF 11-Mar-18
Mpdh 11-Mar-18
hawkeye in PA 11-Mar-18
Knifeguy 11-Mar-18
George D. Stout 11-Mar-18
M60gunner 11-Mar-18
2 bears 11-Mar-18
Greyfox 11-Mar-18
KodaChuck 11-Mar-18
GF 11-Mar-18
1/2miledrag 11-Mar-18
Mpdh 11-Mar-18
Wolflord 11-Mar-18
Wolflord 11-Mar-18
Medicare Bhtr 11-Mar-18
Andy Man 11-Mar-18
rock74 11-Mar-18
Yeager 11-Mar-18
Yellow Dog 11-Mar-18
David McLendon 11-Mar-18
Red Beastmaster 12-Mar-18
George D. Stout 12-Mar-18
2 bears 12-Mar-18
Nrthernrebel05 12-Mar-18
Jon Stewart 12-Mar-18
Wild Bill 13-Mar-18
Viper 13-Mar-18
GF 13-Mar-18
Rick Barbee 13-Mar-18
Danny Pyle 13-Mar-18
GF 13-Mar-18
George D. Stout 13-Mar-18
GF 13-Mar-18
Backcountry 13-Mar-18
Backcountry 13-Mar-18
Mpdh 13-Mar-18
Popester1 13-Mar-18
Rick Barbee 13-Mar-18
2 bears 13-Mar-18
BOX CALL 13-Mar-18
Archer 13-Mar-18
GF 13-Mar-18
nocking point 14-Mar-18
PhantomWolf 20-Mar-18
From: GF
Date: 11-Mar-18




Quick one:

One of my bows has a brass nocking point installed, and I’d like to remove it.

I have pliers for installation, but have never tried to remove one before....

Best technique??

From: Mpdh
Date: 11-Mar-18




Try sticking a flat blade screwdriver in the gap, then twist. If the gap is too tight for the screwdriver, use a knife but be careful. Don’t want to damage the string or serving.

MP

From: hawkeye in PA
Date: 11-Mar-18




I'm assuming your nock set pliers rubber handles probably 3/8" wide. Saunders and a few other make a nock set tool that have flat handles and two holes for crimping. If you have this style place the nock set on the "hump" between the holes with the gap facing up. slowly close the pliers when the top "hump" hits the gap it will push it open letting you remove the nock set. Some of the newer flat handled two hole nock set pliers will open them up on the very front of the pliers. Hope your not to confused by now. Either case go slowly.

From: Knifeguy
Date: 11-Mar-18




Just use the nock crimping pliers, that's what I do. Use the rises between the crimping notches. One in the slot and squeeze gently until it separates and then use needle nose and a screwdriver to remove it from the string. Lance.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 11-Mar-18




What those guys said.

From: M60gunner
Date: 11-Mar-18




Slotted screw driver but be careful. Ran the driver into my hand once. Years ago I bought a tool for only one purpose, removing nock sets. It was a pro shop tool I found. Wasn’t cheap but no more blood.

From: 2 bears
Date: 11-Mar-18




What those guy said and never put one on again. Tied on nocks are much safer for strings and eyes. >>>----> Ken

From: Greyfox
Date: 11-Mar-18




All of the above. Luckily my son is my string Dr... He knows how to keep it in place and put a string on below. When I order strings from 3 Rivers, They put the nock and beaverballs on. Just open the box, assemble, practice and have it chicken fried.. Good luck.

From: KodaChuck
Date: 11-Mar-18




No screwdriver ever....use the nocking pliers for removal as previously described....tie on nocks....way better and easy to learn...I use .014 Halo for my nock points....5 turns up and 5 turns down pulling the tag end underneath the 2nd wrap. Youtube is helpful here.

From: GF
Date: 11-Mar-18

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Funny thing; I bought these 20-some years ago (25?) and installed one nock-set with them. This will be the first time I’ve tried to remove one, and unless I keep buying used bows, it will probably be the last.

Do you guys do this with the bow strung or un?

Just not 100% sure how to proceed still!

From: 1/2miledrag
Date: 11-Mar-18




That particular nock tool is not what the guys were referring too, but you can probably swing it. Get one edge of the jaw on the backside of nock and the other edge into the nock crimp opening. Try to get that edge worked between the string and the nock and start squeezing it open.

From: Mpdh
Date: 11-Mar-18




I’ve always done it with the bow strung.

MP

From: Wolflord
Date: 11-Mar-18

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Tile cutter is the only tool I've used that hasn't damaged strings.

From: Wolflord
Date: 11-Mar-18




I have also switched to tie on nocks.

From: Medicare Bhtr
Date: 11-Mar-18




Matt, I have the aforementioned Saunders nock pliers with the removal feature. You are welcome to them.

From: Andy Man
Date: 11-Mar-18




GF: I have removed with that same tool put one of the edges in the slot where the nock comes together and gently squeeze apart somme and twist then can grab an edge and pull off

From: rock74
Date: 11-Mar-18

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I used this when I was using brass now I tye on

From: Yeager
Date: 11-Mar-18




I second rock74's Tru-Fire Crimping/removal tool. Super easy with no chance of damaging the string.

From: Yellow Dog
Date: 11-Mar-18

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X3, best tool for brass nocks by far.

From: David McLendon
Date: 11-Mar-18




What will be next?

From: Red Beastmaster
Date: 12-Mar-18




The end of my crimping tool has a string slot and a wedge. Just open the jaws, line up the string guide and wedge at top and bottom of the nock, and squeeze. The nock is spread open and falls off.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 12-Mar-18




I bought my pliers in 1966. I used crimp on nocks until the late 70's when I saw how to tie them myself courtesy of a Herter's catalog. I can tie on a nock set in about two minutes with dental floss, and a 97 cent canister of it will last me a couple years with lots of nock sets made.

From: 2 bears
Date: 12-Mar-18




George even though you use tie on nocks yourself,you sure belittled my caution against using them. "They can't use brass nocks but can shoot pointy sticks" "The law team of shyster bilkum and rheamus" "brass nocks are way down on the list---lightening strikes and driving while texting" something to that effect. I just pointed out a lost eye. Don't feel bad, others defended them too. Fact is they have caused injuries and damaged strings. Maybe you just like to draw me out. That is O.K. I like your debates and on occasion I learn something. I like tie on nocks and will never use another brass crimp on. Everyone is free to choose. Shoot straight brother. >>>----> Ken

From: Nrthernrebel05
Date: 12-Mar-18




I use the one rock74 usesd

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 12-Mar-18




GF: Just squeeze them open enough to slide the metal nocking point up to the string and off the serving. Then carefully pull the strings thru the opening in the metal nock. Do this un- strung. I have done it before with out an issue.

Bear collectors may be interested in those pliers.

From: Wild Bill
Date: 13-Mar-18

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Hi GF,

I install/remove mine while strung.

From: Viper
Date: 13-Mar-18




Guys -

If you're going to be using brass nocks (and that's all I use these days), you need a decent pair of nock pliers. Most will work, some are just easier to use than others. And no, more complicated doesn't equal better.

Viper out.

From: GF
Date: 13-Mar-18




So you're saying I bought the cheap-os?

LOL

And I did get it loose. Now I just need to tie on a temporary 'til I get the height right.....

From: Rick Barbee
Date: 13-Mar-18




If I do a video on how to do it (install & remove) with just a regular old pair of pliers, would you buy it?

8^)

Rick

From: Danny Pyle
Date: 13-Mar-18




I have been using brass nocking points for 25 years and have never had an issue

From: GF
Date: 13-Mar-18




"would you buy it?"

No, but if YouTube puts an ad on it in pre-roll, I'll click on it and you'll make a buck. Or maybe half-a-buck... LOL

While we're talking about nocking points...

The one that I just took off was too high. Caused a big, high kick with a bare shaft and I had to nock about 1/4" below it to get reasonably good flight. Brought it down a shade more than that and still seeing some kick high... should I bring it down a little more?

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 13-Mar-18




2bears, That's pretty much all that was used back when I started. Our club had about thirty-couple archers and all of them used crimp-on nocks. I don't intentionally try to belittle anyone, but I have to say that I never, ever once in all my years saw an injury with a brass nock. Sure, I suppose it can happen. I use dental floss now because it works and I'm cheap.

From: GF
Date: 13-Mar-18

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You know what they say about pictures! LOL…

The loose point indicates where the brass nock-set was; the right-hand/bottom side of the square is on the shelf, so this was pretty far up there...

From: Backcountry
Date: 13-Mar-18




I agree with George.

From: Backcountry
Date: 13-Mar-18




I mean, the part about him being cheap!

From: Mpdh
Date: 13-Mar-18




Did you set it that high, or was this on the string when you bought it? That looks close to an inch.

MP

From: Popester1
Date: 13-Mar-18




Same as hawkeye in PA.

From: Rick Barbee
Date: 13-Mar-18




LOL Matt.

Unfortunately youtube has revoked my option to make money on ads in my videos.

They say I need at least 4000 subscribers to get it back.

I'm not that popular. 8^)

Rick

From: 2 bears
Date: 13-Mar-18




It sure was high. It still looks like 3/4" which is still, to most folks, toward the high end. I can't read your scale just going by mine.The top mark is 5/8" Arrows flying and hitting the target should have the final say. >>>----> Ken

From: BOX CALL Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 13-Mar-18




Make sure you get the right size nock according to string strands size.a small nock on a big string is like putting five pounds of flour in a two pound sack.won't close rite.

From: Archer
Date: 13-Mar-18




Pulling them off I use two fine needle nose pliers. Place one tip on the crease and th other on the back. Repeat with the other set in the opposite direction and twist it open. If you do it right it won’t hurt a thing and you can reuse the nock several times. That’s how I adjust my nock and then I’ll put a permanent Tye below ,remove the nock and put a permanent Tye above. Make sure your needle nose have grips and are not smooth. Good luck.

From: GF
Date: 13-Mar-18




Yep - that’s how it came to me... First few shots with it were Dead Nutz, so I never thought about it ‘til I noticed the nock-high bare-shaft. Then when I measured it, I about fell outta my chair.... I wondered if maybe the previous owner was a 3- under shooter???

Don’t know if they have to locate higher..

Working much better at the new height.

From: nocking point Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 14-Mar-18




What Knifeguy said

From: PhantomWolf
Date: 20-Mar-18




Hey Guys,

While doing some wiring here at work this morning and getting ready to attach a small cable tie it dawned on me that the cable tie would make a great nocking point.

So for the heck of it I clamped a small 5 1/2" black cable tie on a piece of 18 gauge wire to kind of simulate a serving and it looks like it would work great. Easy to adjust before fully tightening at correct height for perfect arrow flight.

If I wasn't so technology challenged I'd take a picture but I'm pretty sure most of you can grasp what I did.

Anyways thought I'd pass the idea along. I'm going to try it on my latest Stilldub string from Barry.

Ralph





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