Traditional Archery Discussions on the Leatherwall


31st Cloverdale Traditional Nationals

Messages posted to thread:
Vaguely 05-Mar-18
Earl Mason 05-Mar-18
Clydebow 06-Mar-18
David Mitchell 06-Mar-18
YH2268 06-Mar-18
otis 07-Mar-18
Clydebow 08-Mar-18
pops 08-Mar-18
Tradarcherychamp 09-Mar-18
01archer86 09-Mar-18
Danel 09-Mar-18
David Mitchell 09-Mar-18
otis 12-Mar-18
otis 15-Mar-18
BigStriper 17-Mar-18
BigStriper 18-Mar-18
moleman 1 18-Mar-18
BigStriper 18-Mar-18
otis 19-Mar-18
Clydebow 19-Mar-18
BigStriper 19-Mar-18
otis 22-Mar-18
Clydebow 23-Mar-18
nomo 23-Mar-18
BigStriper 24-Mar-18
BigStriper 24-Mar-18
BigStriper 25-Mar-18
David Mitchell 25-Mar-18
BigStriper 25-Mar-18
Clydebow 26-Mar-18
otis 31-Mar-18
BigStriper 01-Apr-18
otis 02-Apr-18
Vaguely 02-Apr-18
Vaguely 02-Apr-18
BigStriper 02-Apr-18
01archer86 03-Apr-18
Vaguely 04-Apr-18
BigStriper 04-Apr-18
01archer86 04-Apr-18
01archer86 05-Apr-18
Jimbob 05-Apr-18
01archer86 05-Apr-18
Vaguely 05-Apr-18
01archer86 05-Apr-18
BigStriper 05-Apr-18
Vaguely 07-Apr-18
BigStriper 10-Apr-18
BigStriper 11-Apr-18
BigStriper 13-Apr-18
Vaguely 14-Apr-18
BigStriper 15-Apr-18
ahunter55 15-Apr-18
BigStriper 15-Apr-18
otis 15-Apr-18
BigStriper 15-Apr-18
ahunter55 15-Apr-18
BigStriper 15-Apr-18
BigStriper 16-Apr-18
YH2268 16-Apr-18
Antlerart 17-Apr-18
Vaguely 18-Apr-18
sheepdogreno 18-Apr-18
Clydebow 18-Apr-18
sheepdogreno 19-Apr-18
Clydebow 19-Apr-18
HedgeHunter 20-Apr-18
BigStriper 21-Apr-18
sheepdogreno 22-Apr-18
otis 23-Apr-18
BigStriper 24-Apr-18
otis 24-Apr-18
BigStriper 24-Apr-18
Vaguely 25-Apr-18
Clydebow 25-Apr-18
otis 27-Apr-18
otis 30-Apr-18
Vaguely 05-May-18
BigStriper 06-May-18
BigStriper 08-May-18
BigStriper 09-May-18
otis 09-May-18
HedgeHunter 09-May-18
Vaguely 10-May-18
BigStriper 11-May-18
Clydebow 11-May-18
BigStriper 13-May-18
BigStriper 13-May-18
otis 14-May-18
BigStriper 16-May-18
Jimbob 16-May-18
ModernLongbow 16-May-18
YH2268 16-May-18
Jimbob 17-May-18
BigStriper 18-May-18
BigStriper 19-May-18
BigStriper 19-May-18
Vaguely 19-May-18
BigStriper 22-May-18
David Mitchell 22-May-18
BigStriper 23-May-18
dnovo 23-May-18
BigStriper 24-May-18
BigStriper 25-May-18
randy corder 25-May-18
BigStriper 26-May-18
Babysaph 26-May-18
BigStriper 28-May-18
randy corder 28-May-18
BigStriper 28-May-18
randy corder 28-May-18
Clydebow 28-May-18
BigStriper 28-May-18
Clydebow 29-May-18
otis 30-May-18
BigStriper 31-May-18
otis 02-Jun-18
BigStriper 02-Jun-18
otis 02-Jun-18
adrianarcher 03-Jun-18
Witherstick 03-Jun-18
adrianarcher 04-Jun-18
BigStriper 04-Jun-18
Clydebow 04-Jun-18
Danel 06-Jun-18
Clydebow 06-Jun-18
Clydebow 06-Jun-18
Danny Pyle 07-Jun-18
Clydebow 07-Jun-18
Danny Pyle 07-Jun-18
Clydebow 07-Jun-18
01ARCHER86 07-Jun-18
sheepdogreno 07-Jun-18
Vaguely 10-Jun-18
David Mitchell 10-Jun-18
HedgeHunter 10-Jun-18
Witherstick 10-Jun-18
YH2268 10-Jun-18
THarris 10-Jun-18
Witherstick 10-Jun-18
ModernLongbow 10-Jun-18
Danel 11-Jun-18
Clydebow 11-Jun-18
Clydebow 13-Jun-18
Witherstick 14-Jun-18
BigStriper 14-Jun-18
David Mitchell 14-Jun-18
HedgeHunter 14-Jun-18
BigStriper 14-Jun-18
Clydebow 14-Jun-18
BigStriper 14-Jun-18
HedgeHunter 14-Jun-18
Pappy 1952 14-Jun-18
Clydebow 14-Jun-18
Witherstick 15-Jun-18
Clydebow 15-Jun-18
Witherstick 15-Jun-18
Antlerart 16-Jun-18
Antlerart 16-Jun-18
Clydebow 16-Jun-18
Vaguely 16-Jun-18
ModernLongbow 16-Jun-18
Vaguely 17-Jun-18
Vaguely 19-Jun-18
BigStriper 20-Jun-18
HedgeHunter 21-Jun-18
Tradarcherychamp 21-Jun-18
Clydebow 21-Jun-18
Tradarcherychamp 21-Jun-18
HedgeHunter 21-Jun-18
BigStriper 21-Jun-18
HedgeHunter 21-Jun-18
From: Vaguely
Date: 05-Mar-18




31st Cloverdale Traditional Nationals TRADITIONAL BOW PACKAGE RAFFLE The 2018 Bow Raffle info: TimberHawk bow by Scott Mitchell Includes: $900 toward custom bow from Timberhawk Bows Inc. Bow case from Rhino Products, A quiver from Selway Tickets can be purchased at the shoot or by email prior to shoot: cloverdalenat@hotmail.com Drawing will be Saturday, June 9, 2018 @ 6pm Attendance not required to win

From: Earl Mason
Date: 05-Mar-18




TTT

From: Clydebow
Date: 06-Mar-18




Jim, I won the Bear takedown a few years ago when I bought three tickets right before the drawing. I don't think I could ever get that lucky again, but I'm still going to buy tickets!

From: David Mitchell
Date: 06-Mar-18

David Mitchell's embedded Photo



I love Cloverdale....in rummaging through my "junk" box recently, I decided to do something with my collection of buttons from Cloverdale so I strung them on a nylon strap and hung them on my bow rack as a reminder of all the fun I have had there over the years.

From: YH2268 Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 06-Mar-18




You just gotta love the Cloverdale shoot!!!! Such a great course, with hard working club members that make this one of the best shoots that there is. See you all there again in June!!!

From: otis
Date: 07-Mar-18




TTT

From: Clydebow
Date: 08-Mar-18




David, I'll try to get there with the beer a little earlier this year!

From: pops Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 08-Mar-18




Cloverdale is my favorite shoot.

From: Tradarcherychamp
Date: 09-Mar-18




we have our reservations made, Cloverdale is one of our favorites

From: 01archer86
Date: 09-Mar-18




I love this event! I cant wait!!

From: Danel
Date: 09-Mar-18




Nice collection David! The Bear bow to the left of the buttons looks out of place. What would you take for it? ;)

From: David Mitchell
Date: 09-Mar-18




HA! My 59er is not for sale. :o)

From: otis
Date: 12-Mar-18




Back up. If you can't make it to the shoot, tickets can be bought on line. Check out Jim's info on the first post. The winner of the donation last year by Big Jim was a internet purchaser.

David

From: otis
Date: 15-Mar-18




TTT

From: BigStriper
Date: 17-Mar-18




Great time for sure,look forward to camping out with all my friends.See you in June if not sooner David (Otis).

Kurt

From: BigStriper
Date: 18-Mar-18




TTT

From: moleman 1
Date: 18-Mar-18




Great. Shoot, I try to make it every year if just for a day.

From: BigStriper
Date: 18-Mar-18




Paul I started going to Cloverdale in 2010 and have been every year since,it's a Great time for me and my friends.

Kurt

From: otis
Date: 19-Mar-18




Kurt, I'm going to the Kentucky Tradfest and the Classic. Might see you at one of those.

David

From: Clydebow
Date: 19-Mar-18




Nancy and I will see you!

From: BigStriper
Date: 19-Mar-18




I'll be looking for you David,see ya soon.

Kurt

From: otis
Date: 22-Mar-18




Same to you Kurt.

David

From: Clydebow
Date: 23-Mar-18




I'm guessing the weather will be perfect

From: nomo
Date: 23-Mar-18




Clydebow, likely good weather for Cloverdale. ;~)

From: BigStriper
Date: 24-Mar-18




What,no rain.That would be Great.

Kurt

From: BigStriper
Date: 24-Mar-18




What,no rain.That would be Great.

Kurt

From: BigStriper
Date: 25-Mar-18




to the top for another good shoot.

Kurt

From: David Mitchell
Date: 25-Mar-18




NO RAIN??? That just wouldn't be Cloverdale. ;O)

From: BigStriper
Date: 25-Mar-18




David Mitchell the first year I went to Cloverdale was 2010 and my buddies were talking about how it rained every year so I bought some Gore Tex Hiking shoes. I told one of my buddies that I was looking at the High top hiking boots but I went ahead and bought the low tops.He told me I should have bought the High tops,so I went back and bought them to,LOL.They have been pretty handy.We sure have a great time at that shoot.

Kurt

From: Clydebow
Date: 26-Mar-18




The weather was perfect last year for the anniversary shoot. Just didn't really seem fitting though, but not disappointed in the least!

From: otis
Date: 31-Mar-18




TTT

From: BigStriper
Date: 01-Apr-18




I know we need a little rain in our life but I think we have had enough for a while,see ya all at Cloverdale.Unless I see ya sooner,LOL.

Kurt

From: otis
Date: 02-Apr-18




Heading to Kentucky Friday then onto Tennessee to Twin Oaks. Kurt, you going to Tradfest?

David

From: Vaguely
Date: 02-Apr-18




Back up

From: Vaguely
Date: 02-Apr-18




Back up

From: BigStriper
Date: 02-Apr-18




David I won't make it to the Trad Fest but I will be at Pappy's for sure.I'll be looking for you there.Hope you have a good time in Kentucky.

Kurt

From: 01archer86
Date: 03-Apr-18




I know there are no stabilizers allowed, but are barebow weights allowed? Its just added mass...

From: Vaguely
Date: 04-Apr-18




01archer86, Could you post a picture of your bow with the weights? That would help us out. Thanks, Jim

From: BigStriper
Date: 04-Apr-18




I don't think any thing can be screwed on to the riser Jeff,a heavy riser might be alright but I don't think any type of extra weight is allowed?Somebody let him know.

Kurt

From: 01archer86
Date: 04-Apr-18

01archer86's embedded Photo



From: 01archer86
Date: 05-Apr-18




?

From: Jimbob
Date: 05-Apr-18




Hey is that Town Hall Archery in the picture with the green bow?

From: 01archer86
Date: 05-Apr-18




Yep thats mine. Ive been a been a full time employee at Town Hall for 3 years now. I was curious if Barebow weights were allowed at Cloverdale or not.

From: Vaguely
Date: 05-Apr-18




Jeff, Looks like your weight is screwed into the stabilizer bushing on the riser, so sorry but that would not be allowed. Many would call that just a short stabilizer. Thanks for posting the picture. If you have any other questions you can pm me here or contact me at cloverdalenat@hotmail.com

From: 01archer86
Date: 05-Apr-18




Sounds good. Thanks. Thats all I needed to know.

From: BigStriper
Date: 05-Apr-18




Great shoot,looking forward to it.

Kurt

From: Vaguely
Date: 07-Apr-18




Back up

From: BigStriper
Date: 10-Apr-18




TTT

From: BigStriper
Date: 11-Apr-18




Back up

From: BigStriper
Date: 13-Apr-18




Up again. Kurt

From: Vaguely
Date: 14-Apr-18




TTT

From: BigStriper
Date: 15-Apr-18




back up for Otis and a great shoot.

Kurt

From: ahunter55
Date: 15-Apr-18




what state for those who have no idea about trad. shoots. Club, area, range or where can one find "all" the details. Thanks..

From: BigStriper
Date: 15-Apr-18




Deer Creek Archers at the Cloverdale Conservation Club---- Recurve, Longbow, Selfbow 31st Cloverdale Traditional Nationals--2885 E County Road 700 S- -Cloverdale, IN.46120 ----June 8-9-10 2018 ---- 50 Targets plus a 25 target practice range. NO SIGHTS--NO STABILIZERS--NO MECHANICAL REST-NO RELEASES---- If you need more info--Google -- Cloverdale Traditional Nationals 2018.

Kurt

From: otis
Date: 15-Apr-18




Thanks Kurt and Jim for keeping this up to the top and answering questions. Been away from the computer for a few days.

David

From: BigStriper
Date: 15-Apr-18




No problem David,got to keep it up top for a good shoot.See ya at Pappy's.

Kurt

From: ahunter55
Date: 15-Apr-18




thank you Bigstriper..

From: BigStriper
Date: 15-Apr-18




ahunter55,we got to keep people posted about these great shoots.

Kurt

From: BigStriper
Date: 16-Apr-18




TTT,who alls coming.

Kurt

From: YH2268 Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 16-Apr-18




Yep, I've made plans to be there. Wife and I staying at the "6" again.

From: Antlerart
Date: 17-Apr-18




Hi Dave,Me and the wife will be there again looking forward to it,and seeing you, Brian,Brother Dan etc.(RIBS OR WINGS) ain't decided! FRANK.

From: Vaguely
Date: 18-Apr-18




Back up

From: sheepdogreno
Date: 18-Apr-18




In regards to the rules if I just want to shoot for fun can I shoot my ilf with a stabilizer? No care to compete at this time just want to come shoot with the lady and have some fun!

From: Clydebow
Date: 18-Apr-18




I would think all you have to do is write no score on your card at registration. You will need to keep your button and score card available for the check points.

From: sheepdogreno
Date: 19-Apr-18




Thanks last year I just kept the button but I shor with a guy and his son who didn't keep track either. So to clarify no stabilizer but I can shoot off the shelf on a metal ilf riser and still be able to score?

From: Clydebow
Date: 19-Apr-18




Yes, I'm shooting Dalaa with Winex limbs.

From: HedgeHunter
Date: 20-Apr-18




From: BigStriper
Date: 21-Apr-18




back up

Kurt

From: sheepdogreno
Date: 22-Apr-18




Thanks for the clarification

From: otis
Date: 23-Apr-18




Back up.

From: BigStriper
Date: 24-Apr-18




up again

Kurt

From: otis
Date: 24-Apr-18




Thanks Kurt. See you next Wednesday. David

From: BigStriper
Date: 24-Apr-18




Looking forward to it David.

Kurt

From: Vaguely
Date: 25-Apr-18




Back up

From: Clydebow
Date: 25-Apr-18




Picked up the new camper today. Should be camping in our usual spot.

From: otis
Date: 27-Apr-18




back up

From: otis
Date: 30-Apr-18




TTT

From: Vaguely
Date: 05-May-18




TTT

From: BigStriper
Date: 06-May-18




Back up for Otis and the rest of the fine Cloverdale team,it was nice seeing you this weekend at Pappy's David.We'll be seeing you all soon,after we go to Farmland first for the T.A.S.

Kurt

From: BigStriper
Date: 08-May-18




back up

Kurt

From: BigStriper
Date: 09-May-18




Hey David,don't forget to send me a PM with your address.

Kurt

From: otis
Date: 09-May-18




PM sent Kurt. Good to see you last weekend.

David

From: HedgeHunter
Date: 09-May-18




Good to see ya Dave at Pappy’s again. Will head down tomorrow and see what's crackin

From: Vaguely
Date: 10-May-18




Back up

From: BigStriper
Date: 11-May-18




Need to keep up top

From: Clydebow
Date: 11-May-18




"

From: BigStriper
Date: 13-May-18




Less than 2 weeks

From: BigStriper
Date: 13-May-18




Sorry,I jumped the gun.Thinking about another shoot,but this one is right behind it,LOL.

Kurt

From: otis
Date: 14-May-18




You're putting the push on us Kurt. We still have a lot of work to do. Looking forward to it. Don't miss out on tickets for the bow raffle even if you can't make the shoot.

David

From: BigStriper
Date: 16-May-18




Sorry David,I was talking about the T.A.S. shoot coming up on 25-27th,which I am going to have to pass on because of my work schedule change.Now back to the CLOVERDALE shoot,I would probably have to have a death in the family before I would miss it. LOL. We have a Great time with a lot of our Monday Night 3D shooters camping at this event,and we get to see you and a lot of other good friends at this GREAT shoot.David we will see you soon. Thanks for being a good friend.

Kurt

From: Jimbob
Date: 16-May-18




Are there many vendors that show up to Cloverdale? I'm thinking about driving up to check it out, probably will not shoot the event, but would like to shoot some different bows and maybe order or buy one or two. Thanks

From: ModernLongbow
Date: 16-May-18




Jimbob, the vendors at cloverdale last year was better than the turn out at trad worlds. Well worth the trip if your in driving distance.

From: YH2268 Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 16-May-18




Jimbob, Cloverdale is a great shoot with a fair amount of vendors, well worth going to. You may also want to consider the Compton Rendezvous the weekend after Cloverdale. That is at the Berrien Springs MI sportsmans club a few miles north of South Bend IN. Both are great events and two of the best in this area. I don't think you would be disappointed.

From: Jimbob
Date: 17-May-18




That's what I needed to know. Thanks!

From: BigStriper
Date: 18-May-18




Jimbob this will be my 9 th year without a miss,and I'm not planning on having any misses as for as being at this shoot,LOL. This is a great shoot and there are enough Vendors to get what you need,and we always have a good time.

Kurt

From: BigStriper
Date: 19-May-18




Only a couple of weeks, David's working on it.LOL. Kurt

From: BigStriper
Date: 19-May-18




Only a couple of weeks, David's working on it.LOL. Kurt

From: Vaguely
Date: 19-May-18




Closing in fast!! Back up

From: BigStriper
Date: 22-May-18




I shot my Monday Night League last night and we had 17 shooters there, 15 of them will be at Cloverdale and most will be CAMPING. It sounds like it will be another GOOD time at Cloverdale with good friends and a Great place to shoot. Looking forward to seeing you all soon.

Kurt

From: David Mitchell
Date: 22-May-18

David Mitchell's embedded Photo



Some of my Cloverdale buttons collected over the years at my favorite shoot. :o)

From: BigStriper
Date: 23-May-18




Nice collection David,it looks like you have been lucky enough to have went a lot more times than I have,LOL. Look forward to seeing all my friends at this shoot. It's one of the best times of the year. Won't be long now.

Kurt

From: dnovo Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 23-May-18




Kurt Where are you camping? At the shoot or the RV park down the road? I'm planning on making it this year again. Missed last year.

From: BigStriper
Date: 24-May-18




Daniel I will be camping at the shoot,first camp ground,across the road from the big concrete Pig.

Kurt

From: BigStriper
Date: 25-May-18




I should be there the better part of the week.

Kurt

From: randy corder
Date: 25-May-18




Can't wait, going to be fun. Great people and great shoot.

From: BigStriper
Date: 26-May-18




See ya there Randy.

Kurt

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 26-May-18




Nice Dave. I like all the wood on the walks . My house and cabin are like that. Can't have too much wood

From: BigStriper
Date: 28-May-18




Won't be long now

Kurt

From: randy corder
Date: 28-May-18




See you in the shoot out Kurt...

From: BigStriper
Date: 28-May-18




I hope so Randy. LOL. Congratulations on the Broadhead win at the TAS. Kurt

From: randy corder
Date: 28-May-18




You will, Thanks buddy

From: Clydebow
Date: 28-May-18




Unless something comes up, we will be there on the Sunday, the weekend before, and camp all week. Will head over to Parker's Archery Monday evening to shoot their indoor trad 3d shoot.

From: BigStriper
Date: 28-May-18




Hoping to be there by noon Tuesday Danny. Kurt

From: Clydebow
Date: 29-May-18




See you then Kurt.

From: otis
Date: 30-May-18




Little over a week away. Don't forget to get your bow raffle tickets if you can't make it to the shoot.

David

From: BigStriper
Date: 31-May-18




coming soon.

Kurt

From: otis
Date: 02-Jun-18




TTT for the weekend. Less than a week now.

David

From: BigStriper
Date: 02-Jun-18




just a couple of days for me.

Kurt

From: otis
Date: 02-Jun-18




Got the camping areas cleaned up today ready for our guest. Looking forward to seeing everyone.

David

From: adrianarcher
Date: 03-Jun-18




is there a address i can put in my gps? name of club?

From: Witherstick
Date: 03-Jun-18




Deer Creek Archers at the Cloverdale Conservation Club---- Recurve, Longbow, Selfbow 31st Cloverdale Traditional Nationals- -2885 E County Road 700 S- -Cloverdale, IN.46120 ----June 8-9-10 2018 ---- 50 Targets plus a 25 target practice range. NO SIGHTS-- NO STABILIZERS--NO MECHANICAL REST-NO RELEASES---- If you need more info--Google -- Cloverdale Traditional Nationals 2018.

From an earlier post by Bigstriper

From: adrianarcher
Date: 04-Jun-18




Thank You,KIRK

From: BigStriper
Date: 04-Jun-18




Be leaving early Tuesday morning. Should be there and set up by noon.

Kurt

From: Clydebow
Date: 04-Jun-18




We arrived yesterday around none. Joshua caught a few fish, and Nancy cooked some pork chops on the fire for dinner. Shot the practice range early this morning while it was still cool out. Great sleeping weather, we actually had to get quilt out to cover up with last night in bed. Going to head to Spencer to eat this evening before heading to Parker's Archery to shoot.

From: Danel
Date: 06-Jun-18




Packing!

From: Clydebow
Date: 06-Jun-18




They're working on 231 around 70 and in town. The traffic sucks. Depending how your coming in, you might google another way in.

From: Clydebow
Date: 06-Jun-18




I think they have moved farther north, so 70 exit may be ok now.

From: Danny Pyle
Date: 07-Jun-18




Clyde is, Is Frank Rejonis set up across from you yet?

From: Clydebow
Date: 07-Jun-18




Yes

From: Danny Pyle
Date: 07-Jun-18




Tell them I said hi and good luck from the widowman

From: Clydebow
Date: 07-Jun-18




Will do.

From: 01ARCHER86
Date: 07-Jun-18




Im leaving at 0'dark30 in the morning.

From: sheepdogreno
Date: 07-Jun-18




I'll be be there all day Saturday...someone keep my posted if it's a muddy mess it's been raining wild here about 2 hrs north. Wanna make sure I bring proper footwear

From: Vaguely
Date: 10-Jun-18




Thanks to everyone who attended this years Traditional Archery Nationals!! Also, a special thanks to all our wonderful Vendors who set up to show there wares. We got real lucky with the weather Friday and Saturday. Got some rain on Sunday but seemed like everyone had a good time!! We will be having many discussions on the format and rules for the next several months and will have the 2019 rules ready in time for everyone to see well ahead of the shoot. Thanks again!!

From: David Mitchell
Date: 10-Jun-18

David Mitchell's embedded Photo



Thanks for another great Cloverdale experience. This has been on my must-do list for many years. I personally appreciate the hard work that goes into making the shoot happen. I have my collection of Cloverdale buttons strung on a strap on my bow rack. I have only missed 2 shoots in 31 years but unfortunately did not keep a few buttons. But this collection reminds me of how much I enjoy Cloverdale.

From: HedgeHunter
Date: 10-Jun-18




I hear some fellers left Sat thinking they posted a score ? To find out it was null for Sunday because they were gone.

Clyde, whats yer take on this? Was just misinterpretation of new rules?

From: Witherstick
Date: 10-Jun-18




We shot on Saturday and had a great time as usual. Cloverdale is a great course.

We would like to see Cloverdale consider making more of an effort to attract those who do not keep score or turn a card in. My wife, kids, and I have attended shoots across the nation for about 20 years. One thing that we have noticed is that the more popular shoots cater to those who turn in cards and those who don't. For example, consider the Tennessee Classic. Of course, ETAR the peak of traditional shoots and the always popular Compton rendezvous are not even competitive. There were numerous shooters at Cloverdale this year not scoring.

We have kept score over the years at various shoots. Each person in our family has enjoyed their share of firsts and seconds. We still occasionally score but rarely. We enjoy Cloverdale enough to pay to shoot the course even though we are paying for are now adult children. However, it would be nice to see a different price structure for those who just want to experience a great course.

Anyway, we still had a great time. Wouldn't be an great year without shoots like ETAR, Compton, Tennessee Classic, and the Cloverdale Nationals.

From: YH2268 Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 10-Jun-18




Thanks to all the Cloverdale club members for putting on another great event!! Wife and I had a great time shooting our bows and spending time with friends, that always makes us winners at Cloverdale. Awesome shoot!!

From: THarris
Date: 10-Jun-18




My two cents, for what it's worth.

I understand those that want to shoot "just for fun" and not keep score. This is something I also experience as well at my event. What many may not understand is that the work isn't diminished for those that put on the shoot to make it a good course. BUT, what I think is most important, buying targets isn't less expensive for putting on a fun shoot.

ETAR & Compton are great venues for non-competitors and I applaud them, but I still believe there are many out there that have the competitive spirit even if they may not win.

Terry Harris

From: Witherstick
Date: 10-Jun-18




Terry,

Apparently you read too much into my post and missed some. As I said, we often did compete in the past but rarely do now. I am just suggesting that Cloverdale could likely better achieve one of their goals of promoting traditional archery if their price structure would take into account those that for whatever reason just want to enjoy the course. We go to way too many shoots a year to think that $35 a round for 50 targets is the bare necessity.

I am not trying to question the motives of why some avoid competition or why some are so driven to it. Let's face it there are questionable reasons for both. Plus, there way too many reasons. Nor did I question the hard work that the host club puts into their event.

As is often the case in our world today, some are constantly feeling that their identity is being threatened if someone doesn't have the same thoughts as them. But, when I pay almost $200 to treat our group just to shoot a course, I feel like I can speak out on behalf of those who are not fortunate enough to do so.

Bottom line is that we enjoy Cloverdale and just think they should look at as more than just another competition. It has its place but shouldn't be the only thing.

From: ModernLongbow
Date: 10-Jun-18




I hope everyone had a good time. After looking forward to this event for an entire year i got the post with the rule change half day before the event making it impossible for me and many others to compete. There were about a dozen of us local to the Cincinnati area that just couldnt justify a 6hr round trip if our scores didnt even count. With a half day notice there was no time with work schedules to hunt down hotels, re-shuffle family plans etc etc. I wanted to get a bow for my 2 year old daughter, had a couple risers to take to bow doc, and really wanted to test my skills against the talent there. I can only guess how the organizers of this event could have justified or even considered such a drastic change a half day before the shoot and not even update the website with the new rules. All we got was 1 blast on facebook, and if you dont “like” the deer creek archers page you didnt even get that. I will probably never enjoy cloverdale the way i used to after this chain of events. One thing is certain, we all know who the pencil pushers are. I would rather get beat by one of those guys then stand up there and collect my 2018 participation trophy.

From: Danel
Date: 11-Jun-18




A big thanks to all the folks who spend lots of hours putting on a great shoot.

From: Clydebow
Date: 11-Jun-18




Shawm, I answered your P.M.

From: Clydebow
Date: 13-Jun-18




Kirk, It's $35 for the first round for an individual shooter. It's $55 for a family.

It's $15 For the next round if you aren't competing in another class.

That includes unlimited shooting on the practice range.

From: Witherstick
Date: 14-Jun-18




Clyde,

I think you missed that I stated that most of my children are adults now. Thus, the $55 only covered my wife, my teenager, and myself. Thus, I pay a bit more than most and let's be truthful. As much as we enjoy the course at Cloverdale, the price for the amount of targets is not comparable to many shoots such as Compton, ETAR, the Tennessee Classic, etc.

However, I think You miss my point anyway. My point is that many clubs are making the competition their first priority and making the use of traditional archery for recreation or hunting an afterthought. My suggestion to Cloverdale and all clubs is to make sure that you are being true to your claim of promoting traditional archery first.

If traditional archery competition was so popular, why will Compton draw a bigger crowd this coming weekend? Maybe it is because I have numerous awards stashed around here from my youth and just not old enough yet to fear that there is nothing for me to compete in, but I probably only feel like hassling with recording a score at two or three shoots a year. Still have never picked up my ribbon, trophy, etc from anything in the last few years. When my wife won the women's recurve and our youngest finished 3rd in the youth a couple of years ago at Farmland, they waited for us to sign in that Fall in order to give them their trophies. As usual, we hadn't even checked back to see how they had done.

What I am suggesting is that Cloverdale and others consider that since those worried about fair competition require more from the host club then they should pay more. Whether the host club has to tally scores, establish peer groups, or provide score keepers, more is required of them. Then as so many who are more interested in shooting traditional bows on great courses, experiencing camaraderie, and challenging themselves among their family/friends that a different price structure should exist in order to foster the many aspects of traditional archery beyond traditional archery competitions.

I for one would not mind spending more to compensate the host club for the additional work required of them for the competition side of these shoots. Of course, the competition is not my first priority. If it were, I would have worked towards the gold in the Olympics. Still waiting for the first shoot where competitors are required to pay for the services of a score keeper approved by the host club.

Sorry to be so long, but things get really misunderstood on here. My point is simply that just promoting the competitive side of Cloverdale, or any shoot, seems to limit them in their ability to promote traditional archery as a whole.

From: BigStriper
Date: 14-Jun-18




Well I had another "almost" great time at Cloverdale,good food,friends and the weather wasn't to bad either. I just can't understand how Cloverdale has worked for 30 years and now they want to change the way the scoring is done and have a shoot out Sunday at 11 AM when a lot of people are gone home or trying to get going. I sometimes have to work Sunday afternoon and don't like to have to take another day Vacation when I wouldn't normally have to. That is why I try to shoot on Friday and Saturday and get done. I don't know why they can't leave the scoring just like it has been for 30 years and just make sure there is 3 or more people in a group and DOUBLE score like the IBO and T.A.S. are doing. Also I like to shoot in 2 different classes and have a chance to do well in both, if they change the scoring they will only let you shoot in 1 class in the shoot out ,so there won't be any need to spend my Extra $35 to try to shoot in an extra class, actually if I could just pay a smaller fee I would really only need to shoot the practice course because I won't be staying for the shoot out on Sunday anyway. I hope they make the Right decision because from what I have heard ( I have only been coming the last 9 years ) that years ago there were close to 1000 people coming to this Great shoot and I know there are a lot less now, I hope the wrong decision don't drive more people away. Thanks to All of the Cloverdale Crew for making this a Great shoot the 9 years I have been there.

Kurt Stunkel

From: David Mitchell
Date: 14-Jun-18




BigStriper, Years ago there was no Compton rendezvous just days away from Cloverdale. I think that one huge reason that attendance of both shooters and vendors are not what they were in the past is going on this week end in Berrien Springs--plain and simple. The folks in traditional archery businesses like to support/belong to Comptons because it is a national organization with a national publication and gives them wide exposure for their business. Nothing wrong with that. Cloverdale is sponsored by a local club, so guess where the majority of vendors will wind up going. Many cannot do both shoots, especially if they have to travel a long distance. It would likely mean up to 2 weeks away from the shop or business. I have never understood why Comptons felt it a good idea to schedule an event so close to Cloverdale's shoot. Lots of folks can't take vacation time that close together to attend both, and Comptons has the vendors and vendors draw shooters. There are lots of week ends in the summer they could have chosen. To have two large events in the same geographic region, and only days apart, was a move they had to see would no doubt impact the Cloverdale shoot in a negative way. I have been to 29 of the 31 Cloverdale shoots and still contend that they have the finest 3D shoot set up of any I have been to--including Comptons.

From: HedgeHunter
Date: 14-Jun-18




Was shoof off scored different than the regular round scoring? Or dis i miss something Kurt?

From: BigStriper
Date: 14-Jun-18




HedgeHunter-Shawn ,yes 11-10-8, and they were going to shoot 20 targets in the woods (which would have taken even longer ) but I think because of RAIN,they shot some targets in the field by the Pavillion. Great people and a Great shoot. I just can't do the Sunday shoot out,that's why I like to get my shooting done on Friday and Saturday so I can get on the road fairly early Sunday. Thru the years I have been coming I have become very good friends with David Ogles and this year I finally put a couple names and faces together with Jim Voyles and Big John,I remember seeing a lot of other Cloverdale faces but still don't know some of there names. I hope all turns out well.

Kurt

From: Clydebow
Date: 14-Jun-18




Shawm, The shoot off Sunday was scored 11, 10,and 8. 5 was still a zero. That was to avoid any ties if the kill only counted 5 like the regular course.

From: BigStriper
Date: 14-Jun-18




This is just my thinking but, maybe if they had the Friday and Saturday Trade Blanket at 4 or 5 Pm you would have time for dinner before the Saturday Night Money Shoot.

Kurt

From: HedgeHunter
Date: 14-Jun-18




We were making Brats at Pappys that Sat. So, were into Sausage so to speak. Made 600+ and enough to feed several families til next Summer.

I know Dave. He good folk. Sometime there’s goona be some butt pain when things change. Hope it works out for em up there.

From: Pappy 1952
Date: 14-Jun-18




Yep, I can tell you for sure, you can't please everyone, prices do seem a bit steep to me but it seems a lot of shoots I go to have went up for some reason. I guess when numbers goes down prices go up. Pappy

From: Clydebow
Date: 14-Jun-18




Kirk "However, I think You miss my point anyway." I'm not missing the point you are making, I just completely disagree with your point.

" My point is that many clubs are making the competition their first priority and making the use of traditional archery for recreation or hunting an afterthought. My suggestion to Cloverdale and all clubs is to make sure that you are being true to your claim of promoting traditional archery first."

Promoting traditional archery is exactly what they are doing. That is why they are "All" traditional archery shoots. We get plenty of recreation, and hunting practice while, shooting 3D targets that represent animals we hunt. The fact that there is, or isn't, a competition involved does not alter that. They set up a course, you pay, and shoot whether you compete or not. If you aren't a competitor, why would you care that there is a competition side to the shoot? The minor difference is turning in a score card, or not.

From: Witherstick
Date: 15-Jun-18




Once again you fail to comprehend the entire point but rather pick and choose what you think you understand.

Whether there is or is not a competitive aspect to a particular traditional archery shoot should not interfere with the promotion of traditional archery. HOWEVER, IT DOES! Why? Simple, not everyone wants to have their family or friend group broken up just to satisfy the insecurities of some. Not everyone thinks that even if an organization has a handful of members throughout the world that every shoot with the word "national" or "world" in it is actual a competition consisting of the worlds best archers. So, what we have in the end is a lot of shooters having to pay for the additional efforts of the clubs to pacify the competition shooters.

They pay in more than money too. They lose opportunities to enjoy more time with the people of their choice, they stand and wait at targets while the group in front records scores in front of the target and debate each shot as if it were an Olympic event. We get to see the numerous debates and childish name calling that even exists on here.

BTW, I no point did I say that we opposed the competition side of the shoots. In fact, I pointed out that we still do compete on occasion. We however do not stand and record scores in front of targets. We are willing to pay more for competing and do. I did not see where you offered to do the same. We applaud TAS recent efforts to offer cards stamped for those who just want to shoot and enjoy the company of their choice and time.

Again, My point is not that the competitions are bad. My point is just that promoting the competition should not take priority over fostering an environment that is more inviting to those who are new, enjoy the actually shooting with family or friends, or just simply do not care to hassle with recording scores (or sticking around another day for a shootoff etc.)

Clyde, there is no doubt that the traditional archery competitions can have a role in promoting the pursuit. However, it is ridiculous to think that competition as the top priority will do as much as shoots that promote the interactions of family and friends in the context of traditional archery. I can't stress enough the success of ETAR and Compton each year as examples. Furthermore, Look at the Tennessee Classic's growth which is an excellent example of how a shoot can incorporate competition into an otherwise gathering of people just enjoying traditional archery.

I appreciate that you feel that competition at traditional archery is important to you. I agree it can do some of the things needed to preserve and promote the pursuit. However, it is clear that it isn't the best way. From the arguments associated with scoring to the success of Compton and ETAR, it is clear that there is a better way.

So, in the end and staying on topic, I encourage Cloverdale to look at adopting a model similar to that of the Tennessee Classic or the card stamps being used by TAS. This is my point and my suggestion.

From: Clydebow
Date: 15-Jun-18




Kirk,

Cloverdale already is similar to other clubs in that no one is obligated, or forced, to compete. It doesn't matter if they don't have a card stamp. You never had to compete at the Classic or T.A.S. even before they had stamps.

I'm not failing to comprehend your entire point. We just aren't going to agree. I don't believe there is anything incorporated in traditional shoots that interferes with the promotion of traditional archery. I don't view competition as being a clubs top priority. It's just another segment of some shoots.

Even though I really enjoy shooting them, I never said I felt that competition was important to me. Not all the shoots I attend are competitions. However, I can enjoy either one, because the only difference is having, or not having, a score card.

People are different and somethings that might bother one person, are non-issues with another.

I completely understand wanting to shoot with friends or family. Of all the competitive shoots I attend, the I.B.O. has been the strictest about grouping. Even there, you can add another shooter as a second scorer . If you are going to compete though, you know going in you will have to follow the rules set by the club.

Again, we just have different viewpoints.

From: Witherstick
Date: 15-Jun-18




Clyde,

I agree that we disagree upon the benefit of the competitive side of shoots such as Cloverdale. I agree that it has some benefit but not to the degree that you think it might.I would add that no one suggested that anyone was forced to compete or that a host club's rules should not be followed. The TAS format allows those not competing to shoot without establishing a time or group. By adding the stamp, there is less questioning and crying by those who are so concerned about cheats. Is the stamp necessary? No. Does it help move things along and help stop bickering and make things more inviting? Absolutely.

Given that the organizers of Cloverdale are now reviewing and gathering opinions for next year, it is only appropriate that we have these conversations in public forums such as here. Cloverdale is certainly not what it once was. As we travel the country to various shoots, it is apparent that many shoots are not as well attended. I would like to see that reversed as I am sure you would too.

For you the only difference might be having a scorecard. For others it might mean busting up their group, being relegated to another course, adding a stranger if they can find one to their party, etc. No way is this conducive to bringing in new people or promoting traditional archery in the BEST manner. Obviously, you are already attending. The concern is to increase the numbers and not exclude.

Competition is about promoting one's self and that has its place. Let's just keep in mind that if we do not promote traditional archery first, there will be no shoots to worry about competing in. Clyde, you have a good time at your next shoot. We might not agree on the impact of competition, but I think we agree that shooting traditional archery is enjoyable. As for me, it is the weekend and I have two shoots to attend. One is even competitive. So, I will mostly be away from the keyboard. Take care.

From: Antlerart
Date: 16-Jun-18




Any results posted yet !

From: Antlerart
Date: 16-Jun-18




Thanks to david and the guys in indiana for another great shoot and a great job that you do. BEEN GOING FOR YEARS and will always have this shoot on my schedule. As far as all the scoring discussions and confusion that is going on, I will say that this is the only place i know of where a man,woman or child can go and hit all 50 targets and end up w 0-points without any kill shots. So whats the reward for haveing no BLANKS! Ah i know its called FRUSTRATION! Just saying,I believe the 11-10-8-5 is best atleast your compensated for your every hit, Thats Fair!

From: Clydebow
Date: 16-Jun-18




Kirk, Good luck.

They had a problem and hope to have the results up by Monday.

From: Vaguely
Date: 16-Jun-18




Results sent to the webmaster. Should be up on our clubs site soon. Thanks everybody!!

From: ModernLongbow
Date: 16-Jun-18




I still cant figure out how you could change all the rules the afternoon before the shoot then not really even tell anyone. Its just crazy how much i look forward to this shoot and its like they walked up behind everybody, kicked em in the nuts and ran off. I was so upset i couldnt even go and lots of others did the same. Forcing folks to stick around all day sunday to win is a good way to lower your competitive shooter attendance. Even the fun shooter that hopes in the back of his mind he has a good day and might win. If the goal is to drive the thing into the ground, mission accomplished.

From: Vaguely
Date: 17-Jun-18




Trevor, We are really sorry you were so upset about the late rule/format change to this years Traditional Nationals. This was a change we have been discussing for several years and never could come to a consensus until this year. We realize it was very late and would inconvenience some shooters. We decided to go ahead and start it this year so we could get input from shooters this year as we knew it will need tweaked going forward. The great group we have that puts this shoot 0n is not getting any younger and we never know how much longer we will keep putting this shoot on. None of us are ready to throw in the towel yet though. Our goal is to provide a FUN and Competitive shoot. There is NO perfect format for that. What you like, someone else doesn't. That's just the way life is. Now that we have made a change we will be discussing how to improve it for 2019. There will be rules announced in plenty of time for next year. This will be my only comment on this as I refuse to argue online. I am more than happy to discuss this with anyone at the shoot or by phone. Again, Thanks to everyone who attended this years shoot and good luck in the woods this fall!!

From: Vaguely
Date: 19-Jun-18




Results are up now on our web-site http://cloverdaleconservationclub.org

From: BigStriper
Date: 20-Jun-18




ModernLongbow a few of the shooters that made the cut for the Sunday shoot out including myself did not stay for the shoot out as we like to or had to leave early Sunday to get home. I understand that they can't trust some people to keep an honest score so they want to change the rules to make it more fair. If they can't go with double scoring like IBO and some others and leave everything else as it was,I would at least like to have the scores in by Saturday evening and have a 10 target shootout in the field for the top 5 in each class at about 9 AM so we could get out of there at a reasonable time. I love the Cloverdale shoot and I hope they can come up with a Good decision.

Kurt Stunkel

From: HedgeHunter
Date: 21-Jun-18




If it's a National you'd think double cards and grouping for scored shooters would be in effect, right?

From: Tradarcherychamp
Date: 21-Jun-18




You will never make everyone happy. Every state, National, and world competition I have attended in the last 20years has the competition continue into Sunday, with awards afterwards. Yes,it makes it hard to get home for Monday obligations, but if you want to compete, that is the way it is done. Almost all the competitions have fun rounds and courses for the noncompetitors.

From: Clydebow
Date: 21-Jun-18




I was going to mention what Julia said about Sunday shoot offs. I've been shooting 3Ds since 1989. I know every year the dates, and the shoots, we are going to attend. That means we know ahead of time, and don't plan anything else that weekend. Those weekends are our shoot weekends, and that's all we do unless something comes up we can't avoid. We have always stayed Sunday to watch the presentations regardless.

I welcome the idea of a shoot off, but agree the new rule for a shoot off should have been announced, and then implemented next year. Now people will know ahead of time, and can plan accordingly.

The idea to have cards in by maybe 5 or 6 p.m. Saturday, and a 9 a.m. shoot off Sunday, is inline with the other major competitions. Of course if they had done that this time, the people that only planned on competing Sunday morning would not have been able to turn in their scores, so you would have had another group of disappointed people.

It was mentioned somewhere above that Cloverdale would lose competitors because of the Sunday shoot off. I believe they have been loosing competitors over the years because of not having a system in place to weed out the people that have been a little too liberal with their pencils.

From: Tradarcherychamp
Date: 21-Jun-18




I agree with clyde 100%

From: HedgeHunter
Date: 21-Jun-18




see it all over, big scores on single card events. Double card events, these same folks don't make Sunday??

From: BigStriper
Date: 21-Jun-18




I agree that something needs to be done about the pencil pushing,and I know that you still have to shoot on SUNDAY at some of the shoots. Thats what I Liked about Cloverdale that you did not have to shoot on SUNDAY. But if we have to shoot on SUNDAY it is what it is, I just hope that the shoot out can be held early enough and short so that it doesn't take to long. Cloverdale is a Great shoot with Great people running it.

Kurt

From: HedgeHunter
Date: 21-Jun-18




Yep, sure is Kurt





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