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Your not Cured!

Messages posted to thread:
timex 24-Feb-18
George D. Stout 24-Feb-18
Dan Jones 24-Feb-18
dean 24-Feb-18
dean 24-Feb-18
bigdog21 24-Feb-18
Clydebow 24-Feb-18
zetabow 24-Feb-18
northerner 24-Feb-18
Babysaph 24-Feb-18
Babysaph 24-Feb-18
dean 24-Feb-18
Rik Davis 24-Feb-18
dean 24-Feb-18
RymanCat 24-Feb-18
dean 24-Feb-18
Bob Rowlands 24-Feb-18
Bob Rowlands 24-Feb-18
Bob Rowlands 24-Feb-18
From: timex
Date: 24-Feb-18




Iv had it for a long time it developed shooting heavy # bows indoors. Strangely it's not been a problem when hunting. My mind concentrates on the animal & the shot just happens

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 24-Feb-18




There are varying degrees of the 'yips' and in general a person needs to find a way past them that works best for them. This "here...do this" stuff may work for some, but it doesn't for everyone. Also know it's mental and not the same as an addiction that has a chemical dependency as a catalyst. I hesitate to use too many analogies for it.

I had it for a while but not very long...couple months and 'cured' mine in one day by pulling my brother-in-law's compound bow. When it broke over and I could hold it on target, the voila moment sunk in. Now I consciously know I can hold my bow at anchor in any shot presented. Simple, maybe....but it worked for me and that was over twenty-five years ago. Haven't had it since. For me, shooting longer shots works best for my anchor time, but again, we are all different and one pill doesn't always work well for everyone.

From: Dan Jones
Date: 24-Feb-18




One often hears that target panic is mental - "It's all in your head" - but as one who struggled unsuccessfully for decades with the damn panic I question whether that's always true. I've concluded that my case of the panic is an eye/hand coordination problem of some kind. With my eyes closed, I can draw and hold on target for a fare thee well. With my eyes open, the arrow is gone as I touch anchor(at close distances) or before touching anchor(at longer distances.)

Focusing on a spot or perhaps just the whole sight picture is triggering the release. Fred Bear described the panic as the eye triggering the release before the mind can control it, and in my case that's exactly what happens. Nothing that I ever did - and believe me I tried all the "remedies" that I ever came across - e provided a "cure" or even lasting relief.

Once the panic set in, then it certainly became a mental problem, but I'm convinced that the mental side of the problem was secondary and not primary.

What causes the eye to trigger the release upon seeing a sight picture? I don't know and I don't know enough medical science to make an intelligent guess. One hears that it is mental - i.e. fear of missing, fear of shooting poorly etc.. If that's the case, why have I been able to switch hands and shoot a bow panic free for upwards of ten years?

From: dean
Date: 24-Feb-18




I had it so bad that i could not get to anchor. I can anchor for as long as want, now. The odd part is when I shoot game I never hold, I don't want to either. I acquire my secondary reference in the last couple inches of draw, my draw length is checked my the back of my broadhead, I pull tighter into my anchor and the arrow is gone. If I am on target as I bite into my anchor, I will not be more on target 4 seconds later. I know, some will say that is not possible, maybe it is just not possible for them because they have not spent the time learning how to do it or they do not have the basic hand/eye coordination developed. If you believe that there is no cure for TP, if your brain explodes everytime you try to hold and aim for four seconds, perhaps it is time to go with the JS "hold it your wrong" your wrong method and work on your faulty release and anchor problems separately, stop trying to hold and stop calling your release issue 'target panic'.

From: dean
Date: 24-Feb-18




There is also amygdala and the the limbic cortex Lizard Brain. Those are areas where the boogie man lives.

From: bigdog21
Date: 24-Feb-18




I see alot of guys that can shoot good in there back yard and hunting. but in front of a crowed the fall apart. they half to learn to block everything out.

From: Clydebow
Date: 24-Feb-18




I had it for years. Started shooting left handed because of small surgery on my right shoulder. T.P. completely gone with the first shot left handed. That was maybe ten years ago. Now I can shoot right hande with no T.P. also.

From: zetabow
Date: 24-Feb-18




Hard to say 100% cured or not (got it in 2001) I can say it turned me into a far better Archer, I had to work REALLY hard to get total control of my shot sequence.

I never know if it will strike again, so I keep working on my Form and shot sequence.

There is no magic cure, just disciplined training on your Form and shot sequence.

From: northerner
Date: 24-Feb-18




I had TP so bad that I quit archery for 15 years. It was too frustrating to even enjoy the sport. I bought a 30# Sage recurve a couple of years ago and the light poundage is helping. At first I was freezing at 80% draw length and my neck and shoulder were getting stiff from trying to force through it. It seems to be all psychological because without a target I can hold 30# at full draw for as long as I want. It's like a slingshot draw weight. I'm now at the point where I can usually relax when shooting and get to full draw. The TP sometimes surfaces periodically but it's often controllable.

It seems that TP can be a stress thing when we overthink a shot. Sometimes I can "shoot like I don't care" and everything is fine. Close targets should be easy but that is where I suffer the most. It seems that many "remedies" are built around distracting the mind to avoid the shooting stress. Many shooters don't seem to get stress and TP never becomes an issue.

I have seen compound bow shooters get TP so bad that they twitch trying to not punch the release trigger at full draw. They can't hold draw and set their finger on the trigger without firing.

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 24-Feb-18




I don't need to be cured. I just need to draw my bkw the same length each and every time.,for me the clicker did that.

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 24-Feb-18




Bow I meant.

From: dean
Date: 24-Feb-18




I knew a recurve shooter that used a clicker, he insisted that he had a 29" draw, he was shorter than me. He was a pretty good shot on deer at 20 yards, but he could never pull far enough to engage the clicker when shooting at a deer. Perhaps just the attempt to tag the clicker helped his hunting shot.

From: Rik Davis
Date: 24-Feb-18




Sorry, but wrong.

From: dean
Date: 24-Feb-18




Another know it all.

From: RymanCat
Date: 24-Feb-18




Your correct we aren't cured you never know when it might creep back in either and one day the shoe drops. It might be hiding out in your back brain somewhere.

An injury can make it surface also I found out.

Can't just say this sux and take some Mucinex now either. LOL

From: dean
Date: 24-Feb-18




Mine started at a soot where two cp shooters were cheating on their scores. They knew I caught them, so they got crude and rude while my kids and wife were shooting. I held my temper and asking them to be nice just fueled their belligerence. At another shoot I drew 150 pound Jennings elephant bow on display about ten times with both hands in different ways. The big man cheater and his skinny sidekick were there, he just had to try to show me up. The sound of his shoulder shredding was music to my ears with his failed attempt. I was prepared to kick his ass if he got crude with my wife and daughter again, I didn't have to. I believe that TP is a neuron short cut, to beat it, one must develop a different neuron pathway. That is why changing hands works. However, I have seen those that have changed hands go for a while with no TP and then get it down the road. Often taking the same shot year in and year out with out mixing things up can bring in on as well. The brain says, 'yep, we know this. Let's get rid of this arrow and go for the next one'.

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 24-Feb-18




test

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 24-Feb-18




Hmmm... my post ain't here.

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 24-Feb-18




Well the cat cracks me up again. I think guys with tp mighta been mucilage eaters in grade school. lol





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