I use one. Are you shooting at a fixed yardage or varying yardage?

I use one periodically, but most of the time I use a large pin. I know some really like them. I use sights to eliminate the large gap that I have. It's like a bead on a shotgun barrel to me. I can actually can't the bow some also at the ranges I shoot the most. Oh yeah, Roy Marlow posted out that, with a stick bow, touting them on the near side of the riser can help reduce dancing of the sight. 3-fingers sometimes gives me face abrasion problems, and I've never had any desire to string-walk/crawl. So with a conventional split finger draw the sight eliminates gap guesswork. You can also place a small piece of felt in the sight window at the gap(s) you want. We are heretics who have gone to the dark side, but Jack Howard would think it's cool. Oh yeah, you want to put your focus on the target which will blur your srf.

Hey Blackstick, in my hands the large pin is a better tool for accuracy, so I use it more. I do like to shoot the srf for grins periodically, and have to say I'd like to like it...but still keep going back to the single large pin. Oh yeah, the size "a" is my favorite srf.

So how the heck is that thing supposed to work? Not much for precise aiming eh?

I made one out of a coat hanger and painted it flo green. It's shaped like a angular coffin, big on tapered to small on botton. It helped me get on target with an olympic anchor. I used it more as a training tool. Once I had the distances down, I ditched it. But it definately helped initially.

I have one and it helped me. Then I switched to a fixed crawl. Now I can shoot with or without a sight,a crawl or 3 under something clicked.

If you need that to just get you on target then you have big problems IMO

Some facts: Sights were used on longbows at the turn of the 19th century into the 20th, and likely before that.

Sights will help you develop consistent form quicker than any other single thing. If you don't have good repeatable form, you won't be good with a sight.

It's okay not to use them, and it's okay not to even like them, but it's none of your concern if others want to use them. And it is not a sign of big problems, it's a sign of wanting to get better and actually hit the target....which is what we all should want.

Another fact is this elitism bullshit does no good for anyone, and matter fact is counterproductive. More people should likely use a sight on their bow....it's only an overt option of what people do anyway and that is "aim".

Thank you George. There is no difference in using this sight and using the arrow point.

Claymore, I disagree. A sight is a much more precise and adjustable option, better IMHO.

It’s not anymore precise than an arrow point on the target in fact less so because of the large hole. An oly sight is more precise but not this. Besides I will use the thing if I want to.

I use one and really like it. True it’s not as precise sometimes as a single pin but I like how quickly you can acquire a target. I like a really low anchor with split my beach tension and release is just so much better and stronger.

I use a pin on a couple of my hunting bows. Very accurate. Use ‘em for squirrels and rabbits. Gotta do something with the old compound parts. LOL

I was wondering why the compound shooters I see never use those?

I set one up on a Mathews Q4 with fingers. It was hell for accurate out to 35-40. Made a nice little set up but, alas I went back to the recurves I started with. My foray into compounds made me decide they are just too boring.

Your eye will naturally center whatever you are aiming at in the center of the peep sight or ring or srf sight. I found it easier to use a ring as a sight then to use a pin sight. When you aim with a sight you should just let the pin float on the target and let the shot happen as you expand. I have a hard time letting the pin float. I end up trying to hold it steady on the spot and that kind of gives me target panic. With a circle it is like shooting through a peep in that your eye will center the peep for you. Then just look through the circle at the spot that you want to hit. Since I am not trying to hold a pin on the spot and just looking through the circle I can just look at the spot and the circle will just float on the spot without giving me the target panic. The circle just seems to work better for me at a known distance.

The SRF can be used for different distances, the thing to keep in mind is you bave to set it up for Your sight picture in relation to distances.

One advantage to this set up is the ability to get on target faster because you have to look through the aperature to do so, then you raise or lower to determine distance. That is why there are three sizes, so you can set it up for the distances of your choice.

This is said to be as close to instinctive as you can get...without having to shoot a boatload of arrows every day. But...you do have to practice with it become proficient. I use a homemade one on my hunting bow and have been vey happy with the results.

I mounted mine toward the belly side of my BB Warf to protect the sight while moving through the woods. Like others have said, they prefer an aperature to a site pin, that is the beauty of having choices.

I thought this would be a good place to put this information that came from David Soza himself regarding the SRF sight system. He was working on this back in 1975!

Synergistic Reference Frame

"My whole inspiration was to create a way to enhance the instinctive way of shooting without creating a rigid sighting system. I tried both instinctive shooting and using sights. I was working on this as early as 1975. Instinctive was fast and natural feeling, but my shots ranged from brilliant to disastrous. Sights gave me great consistency, but they were slower and limited my ability on small fast game. The SRF, when used well, is designed to simply become an unconscious addition to the instinctive sight picture, where the target is still the focus. That makes it very fast to deploy. The intention is for it to work synergistically with your instinctive ability, not disconnect it in favor of pin alignment. I have used it with great success on quick challenging targets like quail. I also have the option of doing a hard alignment with it for taking long shots where the time permits. It does take a bit of time for some people to develop the technique. Most people make it harder than it needs to be. It should mostly just exist in the peripheral vision. I will never have another bow without one. It takes nothing from my shooting experience, but subtly makes me better."

Thanks for the background info.

I have used one for a training aid and it works great. I wish you good shooting Box and if I can find all the ones I have laying around? will look for them tomorrow, you are welcome to them. PM me and remind me please. I am sending out two risers in the next day or so, SSSSSooooooo, I will be at the PO anyway.

Well let me chime in. A few years back I was in a terrible slump having missed 3 or 4 deer and deer season is not the time to figure out your problems. I ordered the SRF and put it on my bow. My first impression was that it was a miracle that I had ever hit a deer. My time on the target was a millisecond and may not coincide with my release. I shot with it for a week and it certainly taught me a few things. The next week a took a nice 10 point that came trotting by and have never needed it since. At the very least it is a good training aid.

Curious about one thing...does it have a glass face, or an empty "oval"?

If glass, that could prove detrimental in adverse weather conditions.

It is just an empty frame.

I don't buy the idea that sights will improve your "form" George, whatever that means. They make early hits on target a lot easier, though that is possibly one of the worst things you can do as an archer. First you need strength, then you need form, then you work on hitting, and they knew that a lot longer ago than 100 years, we just prefer to do it backwards because we lack discipline and are instant results oriented.

If I was selling that sight, the reason I would sell it would be to have a sight that you look through, not at, that is a very important concept in archery. Let the pin take care of itself.

Because the "pin" consists of a large area, it may make it possible to look through the sight, ignore it, while placing it deferentially on the target. If that could be made to work, it would be quite powerful.

If that doesn't work, it would at least work to look through and shoot at hold over or under points which would be pretty effective also.

The majority of shooters used to be pin focused, which works reasonably well on compounds as the gear to some extent takes care of the form/draw weight issues, and the release takes care of itself. Assuming you basics are square away earlier in your routine. Not so easy when you have 70 pounds, or whatever, to pay attention to at all times.

A shooter here lost sight in one eye. That sighting system saved his trad archery passion. from 10 to 25 yards he can tell how far a deer is from him by its relative size in thea- rapture. When it is large in the sight he holds to the top end for his spot when it appears smaller his spot is in the bottom of the sight. He has recently gone to the second smaller sight for taking longer shots, but thinks that the one larger sight will still be where most of his deer shots happen. His first aperture sight was nothing more than a yellow coated copper wire loop sight I made for him just to see if it would work.

Sam, That is what I have heard many times, they use it till they get proficient and then take it off.

Bowlim, A sight "reveals" form flaws, and then they can be corrected. Most likely the flaw is an inconsistent anchor.

Many people are overbowed when starting out, so they short draw or snap shoot to at least get started, starting with a lighter bow helps one get good form before trying to go heavy. I unfortunately was way over bowed with my first custom bow, I wish I had ordered a much lighter bow. Common knowledge tells us that most North American game can be taken with a 50# bow or less, and it allows us to shoot into our later years without causing shoulder damage.

Dean, What a great story, nice to know that the gentleman can still hunt, let alone enjoy this fine sport.

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