Traditional Archery Discussions on the Leatherwall


Are my new arrows too light?

Messages posted to thread:
Kindamagic 13-Feb-18
PECO 13-Feb-18
Thumper 13-Feb-18
Kindamagic 13-Feb-18
Longtrad 13-Feb-18
kginrick 13-Feb-18
Catsailor 13-Feb-18
Mpdh 13-Feb-18
Bowmania 13-Feb-18
Bowmania 13-Feb-18
Kindamagic 13-Feb-18
deerhunt51 13-Feb-18
GF 14-Feb-18
DanaC 14-Feb-18
Viper 14-Feb-18
Bowmania 14-Feb-18
Kindamagic 14-Feb-18
chillkill 14-Feb-18
From: Kindamagic
Date: 13-Feb-18




Hi, I have a Samick Polaris. I just received some new arrows - Easton Power Flight 400sp 31" with 85grn tips. Suddenly the bow is really noisy. Could it be the string hitting the riser? It hit my arm a couple of times.

When I shoot my old arrows (cheap, unbranded, thicker, noticeably heavier, 100grn tip) it's quiet as anything, straight as anything. The new ones don't behave like 400sp; flip-flopping down the range and consistently land to the right (I'm right-handed).

I'm happy I'm releasing the same. But I'm worried I'm basically doing a partial dry-fire. Is this possible/likely?

(And before you refer me back to the shop they came from, they've already proved themselves clueless, disinterested, bordering on crooked, and I will never buy from them again. Sadly.)

From: PECO
Date: 13-Feb-18




What is your draw length and draw weight of your bow?

From: Thumper
Date: 13-Feb-18




I'm betting they are too stiff and bouncing off the riser. And are probably on the light side as well.

If you are pulling 60 pounds or more, disregard the too stiff part.

Throw some 200gr points on and see what happens.

From: Kindamagic
Date: 13-Feb-18




Sorry, forgot to mention: draw length is 31.5", 40lb @ 28" limbs

From: Longtrad
Date: 13-Feb-18




try upping your point weight, I bet 125 or 150 grain points will work better for you

From: kginrick
Date: 13-Feb-18




Too stiff

From: Catsailor
Date: 13-Feb-18




Sounds stiff. 400 is like a 2117 at least with my Easton aluminums. You said the arrows are 31” and later said you draw 31.5. That does not compute. I’m not familiar with the Samic Polaris. How is the shelf cut? You might be pulling around 50#. If your shelf is cut past center and you put a heavier point on the arrow you might be in the ball park.

From: Mpdh
Date: 13-Feb-18




From: Bowmania Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 13-Feb-18




I think you have vanes on those arrows instead of feathers??? That's an issue to start.

Another thing I don't understand is if that arrow is too stiff it should be going left NOT right. And the vanes hitting the shelf should make it go more left. Stiff arrows go left, because the bow doesn't have enough force to make them bend around the riser. And if the spine on those arrow is .400 that's too stiff.

Now, that could be some false reading, but more than likely it's something in your form???????????? You could post a video or get a coach.

Don't ever go to a proshot for archery gear. THey only know compound stuff.

Throw away the 85 grain tips. 125 is really kind of minimum for trad gear.

I also think that your bow is too short for a 31.5 draw length and that's only a guess. If I had your draw I wouldn't shoot any thing under 64 inches. Actually, my draw is 29 and I wouldn't shoot anything under 64.

Another bit of advise, go to your profile and edit 'Other'. If you live near New Berlin, WI I'd refletch your arrows for you. Someone near you may offer to help, but not with 'Other'.

If time is of the essence, go to the USA Archery sight and find a coach in your area. You've got lot going on and need some help.

Bowmania

From: Bowmania Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 13-Feb-18




Just occurred to me that at that stupid friggin' proshop, they didn't check your eye dominance.

If you're shooting right handed and your left eye dominant, your arrows would impact right.

You should be able to do a search here on eye dominance and figure that for yourself. Could also try closing your left eye and shooting.

See how hard it is to advise you? Find a coach. He can do something in an hour that will take you days to solve on your own.

Bowmania

From: Kindamagic
Date: 13-Feb-18




Catsailor - that was a typo, I meant to say 30.5. I think. I'm sure when we measured it with scales my draw weight was just under 44lb.

Bowmania - correct. These new arrows have vanes, my others have feathers. And yes, at first I thought it was my form. But I repeatedly alternated between the old and new arrows; the new ones were all grouped off to the right while the old ones were where I'd expect them to be (ignoring outliers which were clearly caused by duff form).

What worries me is the noise it makes compared to my other arrows. I'm going to see if I can get a slow-mo video and see what's going on. I'm worried I might damage the bow (which is 66" long BTW).

I'm definitely right eye dominant.

I'm in NZ. Leatherwall doesn't have an 'Aliens' option to tick! (We might be hobbits but not that alien really!)

Nearest shop is 10 hours away and you're right - they mainly focus on compound. Only reason I bought from them was because my wife gave me vouchers but they've been nothing but a nightmare to deal with. Most of us buy over the net from the US or Aus.

Coach - what's that??! I've only been shooting a year but I get the impression most of the local instructors (they don't like being called coaches) are well-intentioned but mainly schooled through the university of YouTube! I've entered a comp in a couple of weeks in Auckland - our biggest city - so I'm hoping to make some new contacts then.

I really appreciate the help from folks on here. Thank you everyone. I'm gonna try some heavier tips and see what that does...

From: deerhunt51
Date: 13-Feb-18




Just a question, if you had arrows that worked, why not buy some more of the same?

From: GF
Date: 14-Feb-18




I don't think I could shoot full length **600s** at 40 pounds and 85 grains.

Don't suppose there's any chance that you could go back to that shop and demand a refund???

If you stick a cheap, plastic rest on there, the vanes shouldn't give you any trouble, so I don't think it would be worth the cost to re-fletch arrows that are just going to turn out to be way too stiff.

But hitting Right means weak and those just.... aren't. No way...

From: DanaC
Date: 14-Feb-18




This field tip test kit should be in everyones kit -

https://www.3riversarchery.com/screw-in-field-point-test-kit-5-16.html

From: Viper
Date: 14-Feb-18




kind -

You have the bow, you have the arrows, just try tuning/re-tuning. Might be as simple as needing a change in brace height.

Viper out.

From: Bowmania Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 14-Feb-18




This will help, maybe solve your problem??????????????/

www.acsbows.com/bowtuning.html click on 'download printable version'.

Bowmania

From: Kindamagic
Date: 14-Feb-18




deerhunt - good question! My wife gave me vouchers so the money was already spent. I've asked her - in the most delicate way possible, trying not to sound ungrateful - not to buy vouchers from that place again! And yes, I have just ordered some more arrows the same as the others. Hopefully they'll arrive before the shoot next weekend...

DanaC - the test tip kit looks great, will definitely get one.

I've only got 100grn points so tried them last night. It definitely improved things. Again, I shot the new ones alongside the old ones; they were not as far off to the right as before but there was a definite left/right divide between the two sets of arrows. And the bow still makes more noise with them. I didn't realise 15grn could be so noticeable.

I'm increasingly convinced that the arrows are simply too light and do not absorb all the energy from the string, though I've got no way of proving it. It's just the feel and sense I'm getting; hence my original question.

Luckily I know someone who likes to shoot light arrows and is looking for more, so I might be able to offload them...

From: chillkill
Date: 14-Feb-18




Why dont you get in touch with nigel tompson at stickshooters, they are in waiuku, he is all things traditional,as well as a longbow champ.He will absolutly have everthing you need. ph 09-235 2055 ring around 6-7pm.





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