From: BOHO
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Date: 10-Feb-18 |
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A guy found a dead deer recently and the wardens checked it out. Died of cwd. First case in Ms history. You guys that have to deal with it in other states. What do we need to do ? Thanks
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From: EF Hutton
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Date: 10-Feb-18 |
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Effectively immediately, supplemental feeding is banned in Claiborne, Hinds, Issaquena, Sharkey, Warren and Yazoo counties, the commission said.
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From: Matt M
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Date: 10-Feb-18 |
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What part of the state was the deer found with CWD? I’m in the far NW corner and haven’t heard of any with CWD
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From: 1/2miledrag
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Date: 10-Feb-18 |
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Free ranging deer in michigan started showing up with CWD two or three years ago. The very first case was 1/4 mile from my house. MDNR's response has been to basically attempt to eradicate the herd in counties CWD is found to exist. There's unlimited deer permits and the Dept. of Agriculture has a sniper team for lack of better words. Deer kill checks are mandatory in core areas and no baiting or feeding. The result is basically very few deer around here. It took me on average about 40 hours of hunting to see a deer this past season. All this kill off also appears to not be working, as CWD was found a couple of counties away toward the end of the season. It sucks. Good luck.
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From: JusPassin
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Date: 10-Feb-18 |
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It's not a virus, it's not a bacterium, it's a protein that can lay in the ground for years and still cause the condition.
I don't see the point in trying to eradicate it, you can't!
I would think the best thing to do is to is let the deer get it if they are going to and let natural selection process it through the herds.
What difference does it make if the most susceptible die off naturally or if the DNR tries killing them all off?
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From: ruffedges
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Date: 10-Feb-18 |
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I'm with JusPassin...
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From: Longcruise
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Date: 10-Feb-18 |
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One thing they need to do is eliminate baiting and feeding. It brings too many deer into close contact and eating from the same source. They pass it in saliva.
How did the warden check it out? It takes a test of brain or spinal matter to detect it.
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From: EF Hutton
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Date: 10-Feb-18 |
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http://www.mdwfp.com/media/254605/cwd_management_zone.pdf
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From: 1/2miledrag
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Date: 10-Feb-18 |
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In core areas it is a mandatory check but not done by conservation officers. Deer have to be taken to deer check stations manned by those who collect a sample, which is then sent to a lab. Within about 3-5 days you can check the results on line using the specimin number you're given.
And for what it's worth, I don't disagree with JusPassin.
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From: BOHO
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Date: 10-Feb-18 |
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It was in issaqueena county. Rolling fork / mayersville area. On the ms river. I’m guessing they had the deer tested and it was pos. It’s about 150 miles from where I hunt but I go up there and work some. Gonna ask around end of the month when I’m there. We lease from a timber company and no baiting allowed. We do have food plots and salt licks. I’m hoping we will be allowed to at least do that. If not at least we will all be on the same level as the guys that bait have been pulling a lot of deer off us for years.
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From: elkster
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Date: 10-Feb-18 |
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BOHO, I understand wanting to keep food plots. But salt lick/mineral block seems like it will lead to same conditions that should be avoided, if cwd is passed through saliva, right?
I hunt in yazoo cnty. next door.
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From: BOHO
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Date: 11-Feb-18 |
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No kidding. I’m working yazoo every week. Very familiar with the county. Hope y’all don’t get hit. What part you hunt ?
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From: timex
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Date: 11-Feb-18 |
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I feel for you guys I'm on the coast in va & several years ago the deer got hit hard by hemorrhagic disease you usually find them dead in water. Iv been told it's worse in dry summers because it's spread by gnats. When it's dry the gnats travel more & spread the disease by feeding on the deers nose. Not sure if that's true.but herd more than once >))))°>
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From: bigdog21
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Date: 11-Feb-18 |
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say NO to feeding wild life bait stations and yes food plots,say No to using doe pee and doe in heat unless its from a deer you have killed and know its safe. say No to high fence hunting, say No to trophy hunting, say NO to most club hunting places. and say NO ! to deer farms producing deer lure and trophy deer for sale.
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From: 56' Kodiak
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Date: 11-Feb-18 |
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Yep we have it here in southeast Minnesota. The DNR took out 2500 deer last year.
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From: Jinkster
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Date: 11-Feb-18 |
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I'm FOR "The DNR Kill Off" because the process of natural selection could possibly kill them all.
"Bacteria Multiplies": So we can't exactly administer antibodies into all soil therefore the baterium can never be completely erradicated leaving the DNR but one form of control which is anything and everything they can do to...
"Reduce The Transmission"
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From: Sipsey River
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Date: 11-Feb-18 |
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I had a game warden in Ohio tell me it was often caused during dry periods or droughts when deer get some type of bugs into the nose. The bugs are thick in the small pools of water and the deer are forced to drink it, the bugs go into their nose. During times when water is plentiful the bugs are disbursed and it is not a problem.
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From: 1/2miledrag
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Date: 11-Feb-18 |
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CWD is not bacteria. It is a prion.
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From: Jinkster
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Date: 11-Feb-18 |
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1/2miledrag: is correct and?...yuk!
Prions: misformed protiens that cause fatal neurodegeneration much like CWD and Mad Cow Disease.
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From: Danel
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Date: 11-Feb-18 |
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Sipsey, I think you are referring to "bluetounge". We have had it in KY.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 11-Feb-18 |
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We've had 52 cases of CWD all across the state. Because it is a prion you can't deal with it like a bacteria or virus. Best thing as far as the scientists and biologists know is to not use commercial supplements to feed the deer. It can also be in the urine so pretty smart not to use natural deer urine when hunting. Not every deer in an area picks it up which also leads some to believe that a healthy deer may be able to overcome it initially. So many questions yet and not many answers.
One deer in Mississippi? It won't be the last, but it doesn't mean it will eradicate a deer population either. This stuff came from out in the midwest according to those who are studying it, and expect it came from animals that got out of captivity...game farms, or something of that nature. It's still being studyied and I don't expect we know everything yet. You guys buying all of those chemically treated supplements at Walmart or other retailer may want to think about what you yourself may be contributing.
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From: The Night Stalker
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Date: 11-Feb-18 |
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I am sure it is in the soil in some areas. Let's compare it to mad cow and Jacob Crultzfeld (spelling) in humans. The prion can be dormant for years.
I believe mad cow was determined to come from sheep. They were grinding sheep spinal column and using it in bone meal filler for cow feed. Humans were infected and it might be years before they show any symptoms.
Years ago, I had a cultural anthropology course and it was about two waring tribe in New Guinea. They were canabalistic and ate each other's brains. The practice quite in the early century but elderly came down with the disease years later because they ate brain as infants.
The scary thing is we do not know if CWD can cross the barrier to humans. Eat an infected deer and years later get debilitated from the prion.
Would you want to take the risk.
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From: chesapeake born
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Date: 11-Feb-18 |
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we should stop baiting and feeders its harming the deer population
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From: elkster
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Date: 11-Feb-18 |
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BOHO,
I hunt public ground. Not in a lease. Like to roam and chase hogs on all day hunts.
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From: EF Hutton
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Date: 11-Feb-18 |
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elkster
I bet you in the Panther Swamp.
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From: badgerman
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Date: 11-Feb-18 |
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Wisconsin has a serious CWD problem in parts of the state. Addressing it has been confusing. In counties where it has been found baiting and feeding are banned, but a politician, not a biologist decided if no new cases in that county they allow baiting and feeding to continue. The bigger problem is that testing for CWD is barely 10% so we really don't know how fast it is spreading. I should have said that if they do not find any new cases in 3 years then they resume baiting and feeding, but since testing is very sporadic we really don,t know the extend of the problem. Baiting deer is deeply ingrained in Wisconsin and our politicans are willing to sacrifice our herd to please their "monied gentry". SAD!
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From: Longcruise
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Date: 11-Feb-18 |
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"The scary thing is we do not know if CWD can cross the barrier to humans. Eat an infected deer and years later get debilitated from the prion."
Testing was done by University Hospital in Denver on this. Results of the research suggest it doesn't cross over to humans. The research protocol involved a comparison of occurrence of brain disease in humans in a test area as compared to the population in general over a twenty year period.
The rate of occurrence of Creutzfelt Jacob disease Is well known. CJ disease apparently is spontaneous in humans with no known direct cause.
The test population was located along the South Platte and Poudre Rivers in Colorado. The population was chosen because the area is Colorado's hotbed of CWD. Most of the property in that area is private and hunted primarily by locals and therefore should have a high exposure rate to CWD.
During the 20 year period there was no increased incidence of brain disease in the test population.
While the prion can be dormant for many years, it often goes active in a much shorter time period. This was established by putting healthy deer in a pen that had been occupied by infected deer that subsequently died from CWD. Some of the deer died of the disease within a relatively short time. Relatively short meaning much sooner than observations of animals that carried the prion for many years.
Once the prion goes active, the deer is dead in about two weeks.
There have been some scares over transmission to humans but none seems to have any basis in fact. Some of them have involved anti hunting organizations promoting them.
I personally have no concerns about transmission even though I hunt in areas known to have CWD.
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From: ruffedges
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Date: 11-Feb-18 |
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George, you say that CWD came out of the midwest"? I guess that is true if you consider Colorado and Wyoming part of the midwest. It didn't show up here in Iowa until some 45 years after discovered in Colorado. LOL
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From: elkster
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Date: 11-Feb-18 |
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E.F. Hutton,
I like the wma's, and the holmes county public land. All of it really, all day to roam with a recurve.
Do you hunt these areas?
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From: Kev
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Date: 12-Feb-18 |
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Can anyone say with any certainty whether or not there was a high fenced deer enclosure in the vicinity?
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From: BOHO
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Date: 12-Feb-18 |
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I haven’t heard specifically but I dont think it was
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From: Ollie
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Date: 12-Feb-18 |
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About the only thing we know about CWD in game herds is that we don't know much. Since the prions can live in the soil for decades, not sure how effective it is to kill every deer in the area. Studies have shown that cervids placed in pens that contained CWD-infected deer may contract the disease even though all of the previous occupants were removed from the pens. Due to the very limited sampling taking place, by the time you find a positive detect in a given area chances are infected deer have wandered elsewhere so a localized killing is somewhat questionable for effectiveness.
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From: bwshooter
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Date: 12-Feb-18 |
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It turned up in Arkansas a couple of years ago. Two new far western counties this year. I figure it was brought in from the elk they transplanted to the Buffalo River from Colorado. None in the counties I hunt yet. I am not a bait hunter myself although it is legal. Deer congregate anywhere feed is plentiful be it green fields, feed trees, soybean fields, or corn piles. I don't think it can be stopped by not allowing baiting.
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From: Gator1
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Date: 12-Feb-18 |
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I have been following CWD this fall since MN tested some new areas near fenced in deer herd that CWD was discovered
Google Canadian CWD in Macaw monkeys. A certain number contracted CWD from eating venison in the Study. Baiting is a good way to concentrate deer and increase the odds for transmission. This fall the CDC did not recommend consuming meat of known infected venison and I tend to agree.
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From: bwshooter
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Date: 12-Feb-18 |
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No doubt a corn pile or feeders congregate deer. In theory banning baiting might slow it down. The thing is I have seen deer congregated in winter wheat fields, honey suckle thickets, and know of certain acorn feed trees where the deer traffic was ridiculous. Part of the problem is the population is just to high in most places CWD has been confirmed. When the population is as high as it is the chances of natural transmission from normal interaction and normal deer feeding behavior is extremely high. My main hunting strategy is rut based not food/bait based. Banning baiting will not affect me in the least. It will affect many who depend on bait to take there deer. The best strategy in my opinion in areas where it has been confirmed is limited baiting and thinning the herd drastically. If deer need to be taken out of an area banning baiting will just lower the harvest and possibly ensure the continual spread of the problem. Just my Opinion
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From: Trap
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Date: 12-Feb-18 |
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There’s a lot of good information out there. Please don’t base your opinions on just what you’ve read in this thread. Be informed by doing some research.
Many states that show low prevalence rates have not made adequate efforts to test for CWD. For example, take a look at a map of where CWD is found in North America. If it’s widespread in Wyoming and Saskatchewan wouldn’t it stand to reason CWD would be widespread in Montana as well? It’s doubtful prions flew from Wyoming to Canada. Maybe Montana does not allow captive cervids. That might explain a low prevalence rate or maybe they haven’t tested for it aggressively. The answer’s out there I’m sure.
If your state allows the keeping of captive cervids and the transfer of captive cervids across state line to and from infected areas there’s a pretty good chance it has or will be detected in your state.
Targeted culling around areas of known CWD positives, eliminating bait, eliminating mineral block use and stopping the trafficing of captive cervids is buying time by slowing the spread of CWD. Buying time, until a cure is found or Mother Nature fixes the problem. If someone truly has a better idea of how to fight CWD, there’s a bunch of Deer Biologists around the country that would be glad to hear your plan.
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From: Trap
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Date: 12-Feb-18 |
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From: Trap
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Date: 12-Feb-18 |
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From: Longcruise
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Date: 13-Feb-18 |
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Interesting how CWD seems to comply with political boundaries!
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From: WhitetailHtr
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Date: 13-Feb-18 |
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Can anyone, please, show me the evidence of a deer herd that was "decimated" by the disease?! Please?! Because I hear that all the time from the DNR and I can find no evidence of that ever happening. The only decimated herds that I know of are when the state DNRs enact a scorched earth policy and kill every healthy deer as a "precaution".
IMHO if every county in a state, and I'm picking Illinois here because that's where I have a tradition of hunting, is tested, CWD would be found in at least one deer in every county. And as the IL DNR continues to slowly add testing counties, this is being proven to be true.
CWD - it's been around for a long time and WILL be around for a long time. Those are the facts. I also think that there is a lot of influence "behind the curtain" by the insurance industry and farming industry and that CWD is a convenient reason to drive down deer populations. Just my opinion here.
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From: Trap
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Date: 13-Feb-18 |
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True, CWD has been around a long time but the Eastward advancement of the disease from its roots in the West have been expedited by the “farming” of captive cervids (deer and elk).
Sadly, it’s man’s desire and obsession to produce giant antlers artificially through manipulated beeeding strategies that has caused the problem. The disease has reached the Eastern and Midwestern US in the back of stock trailers because someone thought they could make a bunch of money by growing giant antlers. Even sadder, is that there are “sportsman” willing to pay the fee for artificial trophies.
Captive deer come in contact with local wild deer through nose to nose contact or a breech in the enclosure such as a tree falling on the fence and pretty soon it’s everywhere.
Money and Greed is at the root of the problem. Surprise surprise.
If you don’t think deer herds can be devasted if left unchecked, do a little reading on the deer herd in the Buffalo River National Park Region of NW Arkansas. High infection rates and deer dying with clinical symptoms. When you look at the map I include below, keep in mind CWD was first detected in Arkansas in Feb of 2016 in Newton County. It should also be easy to see the disease is expanding by those “sparks” from the source fire and now new fires (infected local populations) are burning. Those “sparks” are often caused by young male deer dispersing.
CWD is bad for deer and bad for deer hunters. Please don’t stick your head in the sand and pretend it’s not a problem and that it will go away on its own.
Reducing deer numbers in infected areas is the quickest and most effective way to slow the spread. That’s true, whether you support your state DNR or not.
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From: Trap
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Date: 13-Feb-18 |
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