Traditional Archery Discussions on the Leatherwall


Winter hunting, Not So Much!

Messages posted to thread:
JusPassin 05-Jan-18
Clydebow 05-Jan-18
reddogge 05-Jan-18
Big Dog 05-Jan-18
Fields 05-Jan-18
Mpdh 05-Jan-18
Arrowflinger 05-Jan-18
tzolk 05-Jan-18
TrapperKayak 05-Jan-18
Clydebow 05-Jan-18
Nimrod 05-Jan-18
JusPassin 05-Jan-18
hawkeye in PA 05-Jan-18
Andy Man 05-Jan-18
Oly 05-Jan-18
PEARL DRUMS 05-Jan-18
mnbwhtr 05-Jan-18
J. h2os 05-Jan-18
George D. Stout 05-Jan-18
Matt Ewing 05-Jan-18
Tom McCool 05-Jan-18
Gvdocholiday 05-Jan-18
Jim Davis 05-Jan-18
Fields 05-Jan-18
unhinged 05-Jan-18
sir misalots 05-Jan-18
Surfbow 05-Jan-18
Daven 05-Jan-18
SB 05-Jan-18
George D. Stout 05-Jan-18
tinecounter 05-Jan-18
Greyfox 05-Jan-18
PEARL DRUMS 05-Jan-18
tinecounter 05-Jan-18
Will tell 05-Jan-18
dean 05-Jan-18
monkeyball 05-Jan-18
dean 05-Jan-18
spike78 05-Jan-18
Budly 05-Jan-18
Oly 05-Jan-18
lawdy 05-Jan-18
Carpdaddy 05-Jan-18
GF 05-Jan-18
tundrajumper 05-Jan-18
Silverback 05-Jan-18
monkeyball 05-Jan-18
RymanCat 05-Jan-18
Paul 05-Jan-18
Mingo 06-Jan-18
MGF 06-Jan-18
lawdy 06-Jan-18
reddogge 06-Jan-18
TrapperKayak 06-Jan-18
TrapperKayak 06-Jan-18
TrapperKayak 06-Jan-18
tundrajumper 06-Jan-18
TrapperKayak 06-Jan-18
tundrajumper 06-Jan-18
dean 06-Jan-18
Riverwolf 06-Jan-18
BOWTOUGH 06-Jan-18
pdk25 06-Jan-18
pdk25 06-Jan-18
Elderly OCR 06-Jan-18
GF 06-Jan-18
lawdy 06-Jan-18
Ludy 06-Jan-18
shade mt 07-Jan-18
PEARL DRUMS 07-Jan-18
TrapperKayak 07-Jan-18
TrapperKayak 07-Jan-18
Shawn 07-Jan-18
MGF 07-Jan-18
shade mt 07-Jan-18
TrapperKayak 08-Jan-18
ground hunter 08-Jan-18
South Farm 08-Jan-18
Ollie 08-Jan-18
lv2bohunt 08-Jan-18
TrapperKayak 08-Jan-18
Shotkizer 08-Jan-18
tundrajumper 08-Jan-18
Oly 26-Jan-18
GF 26-Jan-18
Oly 26-Jan-18
SteveMcD 26-Jan-18
Babbling Bob 26-Jan-18
Shawn 26-Jan-18
bwallace 26-Jan-18
GF 26-Jan-18
Babbling Bob 27-Jan-18
Fall Gray 27-Jan-18
Fall Gray 27-Jan-18
swampwalker 27-Jan-18
GF 27-Jan-18
oldbow 27-Jan-18
ground hunter 28-Jan-18
scienceguy 28-Jan-18
lawdy 28-Jan-18
South Farm 31-Jan-18
TrapperKayak 31-Jan-18
3arrows 31-Jan-18
tradmt 31-Jan-18
GF 31-Jan-18
Ron LaClair 31-Jan-18
Riverwolf 01-Feb-18
TrapperKayak 01-Feb-18
lawdy 01-Feb-18
From: JusPassin Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 05-Jan-18




I saw a comment the other day on here that I tend to empathize with.

When the weather turns bitterly cold and the deer are struggling for survival, I just loose all interest in adding to their problems.

If my life depended on killing them I'd of course feel differently, but I doubt if that is the case for any of us. I'm content to simply watch them and wait for next fall.

From: Clydebow
Date: 05-Jan-18




That would depend what area they live. No struggles in S. IL. They struggle in Iowa?

From: reddogge Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 05-Jan-18




Me too. I also never hunted on Christmas Eve. The animals talk that night.

From: Big Dog
Date: 05-Jan-18




Don't have any feelings for the deer....but I do have them for me. :o) Just to cold! Regards

From: Fields
Date: 05-Jan-18




I have no desire to hunt them when its so miserable outside, for their sake and mine.

From: Mpdh
Date: 05-Jan-18




What about areas that have too many deer? By removing a few, you are helping all that remain.

MP

From: Arrowflinger
Date: 05-Jan-18




I don't know, but some of you guys sound like Bunny Huggers instead of hunters! Not only this thread, but others I have read lately makes me wonder.

From: tzolk
Date: 05-Jan-18




The lower 20° range is where I draw the limit. I don't like to wear a lot of bulky clothing trying to stay warm standing absolutely still in those cold Temps. The last few days of the season, right up until Christmas, I needed snow shoes to get to where my ground blind is.

From: TrapperKayak
Date: 05-Jan-18




If it were open, I'd be hunting them. Their struggles during harsh winters have somethi9ng to do with competition for food, and their numbers reflect that. Its a quantity /quality relationship. the greater the numbers, the poorer the quality of food available, whereas the overall quality of the herd's life is lower. Take a few out, there survivors have a better quality life. Just take a look at what happens during different types of winters for comparison. Tough winters, more winter kills. Easy winters, fewer winter kills. We humans are part of the predator prey relationship, the overall equation that causes trends in populations to shift. What is wrong with separating ourselves from 'feelings' when it comes to nature and reality? G hunt them if you can. It's better for them, better for you. Or sit on your butt and be fat, inactive and old. I say get out there if you can and kill off some deer for the overall benefit of those that survive and remain.

From: Clydebow
Date: 05-Jan-18




I killed one last Thursday and will be going again a week from today. These are two late season(Not bow) antlerless only hunts at a reclaimed strip mine state park. They actually closed of the east section of the park to concentrate the hunt on three west sections that are leased to farmers because of problems with crop damage. This county was reopened last winter just for this purpose.

Deer have been dealing with this kind weather for a lot longer then all of us have been alive, but again, it can be a regional concern.

From: Nimrod
Date: 05-Jan-18




I agree with Arrowflinger..........Nimrod

From: JusPassin Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 05-Jan-18




I suppose it doesn't hurt that I already took two of them earlier, but I know I'd feel the same even if I hadn't.

From: hawkeye in PA
Date: 05-Jan-18




X3 Arrowflinger....They call a truce on my vegetation I'll think about it. My problem is you only get one chance and they are back on posted property. Not sure who taught them to read..maybe the bunny huggers. Seen three nice bucks last weekend, although with stickbow odds are in their favor in these temps.

From: Andy Man
Date: 05-Jan-18




when it gets so cold that it takes me longer to get dressed, than to get to my spot I give up

From: Oly
Date: 05-Jan-18




Geez, seriously? x4 what Arrowflinger & others have voiced... in MN & WI the deer herd is healthy but there is a fairly large mortality rate because of the harsh winters & competition for food... thinning the herd helps this a bit, but there aren't enough of us in the woods during the late season to truly make much of a difference. I'll be in the woods this afternoon and all this weekend with temps ranging from -14 currently to single digits on Sunday... to close out the WI statewide archery deer season.

From: PEARL DRUMS
Date: 05-Jan-18




I'm a proud bunny hugger. You can question that and me all you'd like.

From: mnbwhtr
Date: 05-Jan-18




reddogge, Don't know what kind of experience you had on Christmas eve but I went out a few years back to an area that had been extremely wet over the fall and the farmer had left about 30 rows of beans in the field. Deer starting coming out the willows along the river bottom about 1/2 hr before dark, it started snowing lightly and more deer came out, at one time I counted 149 give or take ones I might have counted twice.The amazing thing were the sounds of fawns looking for mother and does looking for fawns. Does snorting on their hind legs fighting for the best beans, it was amazing! I never would have believed how much deer talk. At dark I put on my snowshoes and broke up the party when I walked out in complete silence, just the falling snow.

From: J. h2os
Date: 05-Jan-18




I'd be out there, If I wasn't sick.jeff

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 05-Jan-18




Pearl Drums, some folks have to talk others down if they don't feel the same way. Tough guys they are, maybe even super men. Sure a fact that the LW will never freeze over.

From: Matt Ewing
Date: 05-Jan-18




There is a huge difference between a hunter and a killer. Only the hunters will understand that statement. Yep I am a bunny hugger.

From: Tom McCool
Date: 05-Jan-18




I just figured I was helping them out by hunting them in late winter. Gives them some exercise, motivation and the feeling of purpose in there life. :)

From: Gvdocholiday Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 05-Jan-18




When it looks like we're going to have a rough winter...I actually focus my attention on the young deer. The one I call "consumers". They're more likely to die during a bad winter, and all they're doing is consuming what available forage/browse there is that would be a better investment going to pregnant does that ave shown an ability to survive the elements and have the body weight to do it.

Some people may frown upon that, but when it's the last week of deer season here in MI, and the snow is high and the temps are low(like this year in MI), I fill the remaining tags I have on fluffy headed young'ns.

My area already accumulated 93", last year at this time we had only 18", we've also had about 4 weeks straight of average highs below 15deg, and it's still -10 as I type this this...and I'm talking Fahrenheit, not that communist scale.

It's going to be a rough year, so I'm doing my part to decrease winter kill, and utilizing the resource rather than letting it waste for a coyote or buzzards.

From: Jim Davis
Date: 05-Jan-18




It often crosses my mind that our mental images of native Americans before European contact are often of brave hunters out in knee deep snow stalking a big wary buck.

Truth is, it was the Europeans who had to learn to get a winter's supply of food before the snow came. It also may come as a surprise to learn that the white fur trappers caught their beavers in the late spring and summer. The fur buyers didn't want prime beaver pelts as they do now. The trappers spent the winters in the warmest, safest places they could find.

So, when we go out hunting in the dead of winter, we're not imitating history.

Just a few almost off-topic thoughts....

From: Fields
Date: 05-Jan-18




Bunny Hugger.... LOL..............

From: unhinged
Date: 05-Jan-18




My friends call me Elly May

From: sir misalots
Date: 05-Jan-18




I will hunt next year out of a heated blind with wi-fi If I start feeling bad for the deer Ill ask then to come in out of the cold. Thats a joke:) Well .....maybe part of it was

From: Surfbow
Date: 05-Jan-18




If it's so nasty out that the deer are "struggling to survive", I bet it's too cold for you to hunt anyway, they do just fine in temps a lot lower than we can. Me? I'd rather exercise my legs and put meat in the freezer than claim some vague moral high ground...but you do you!

From: Daven
Date: 05-Jan-18




I wish I was hugging a two legged bunny right now.

From: SB
Date: 05-Jan-18




They don't appear to be struggling around here. There aren't any!

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 05-Jan-18




What the hell does it matter anyway? Are you a bigger man because you hunt them in sub freezing weather and another chooses not to? Good grief....third grade playground.

From: tinecounter
Date: 05-Jan-18




Bitterly cold weather with the “deer struggling for survival” is God’s way of increasing my limited odds and leveling the playing field for a successful hunt. I should take advantage of the situation, but only my personal discomfort, not the deer’s, will minimize my hunting activity.

From: Greyfox
Date: 05-Jan-18




I prefer hunting cold weather, the cold air on my face makes me feel alive. Brings back the feeling of youth, like when I was a member of the Big Red 1 at Ft. Riley. Hunting in the snow is truly special to me. The complete silence while the snow falls makes me feel at peace with the world. All is good.

From: PEARL DRUMS
Date: 05-Jan-18




I can respect that view William, and all the others. Wish us bunny huggers could get some respect to.

From: tinecounter
Date: 05-Jan-18

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PD,sometimes hugs work too. LOL

From: Will tell
Date: 05-Jan-18




I haven't killed a bunny in over 40 years. Had a rabbit hanging out but my house for almost a year, my pointer would look for him every day. Broke my heart when he got hit by a car.

From: dean
Date: 05-Jan-18




'Why should i care if a little deer is freezing to death in my back yard? I say shoot him. because I am a manly man and you are all wimpy bunny huggers etc etc' Really now, you blow heart wanna be tough guys that like to brag about what great killers you are. You get real quick about handing out derogatory names for those who are not as manly as you. I hate that bully mentality, it is a sign of stupidity and insecurity. Most of my bowhunting friends shoot compounds, we like to ride each other about methods and equipment, but we all have two things in common, we hate belligerent behavior and we give a damn about the health and well being of the wildlife.

From: monkeyball
Date: 05-Jan-18

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It's been a long winter, eh boys? You fellas could make an argument out of a "free plate of chocolate chip cookies".

You toughies that are yah-naying these guys that have a little compassion for there quarry make me wonder why you were sitting in front of your'e computer today making the turd remarks you do.

I mean really, why were you not out in the "freeze" getting the job done.

I've been hunting......for wood. My stove eats it faster than I can knock it down in this freeze. I still got a 4 mile hoof in today up over the ridge and back. Mother cold too!

I see deer every other day in the back woods, and I like that. I don't need to kill one, it's good to see that some made it thru gun season.

Good Shooting->->->->Craig

From: dean
Date: 05-Jan-18




Most of the manly men late season hunters around here, ride around in the pick-ups telling each other what manly men they are. They rarely ever get out of their pick-ups when it is much below freezing. One even shoots a recurve during the warm season, but turns all guns and deer chasing with his pick-up as soon as it gets below freezing. A tough talking chicken s##t, with no respect for others or private property.

From: spike78
Date: 05-Jan-18




When I bought my house a few years ago I would get home from work and sit in the chair in the backyard waiting for the deer to come out and watch. I started having this rabbit come out everyday while I was sitting. This rabbit had no fear and would feed 10 feet away from me and not even flinch when I walk right by it. I enjoyed watching the little guy suck up the weeds every single day. Then one day I see something out of the corner of my eye and all of a sudden a hawk dives right by me and you could hear the thump of the hit. The rabbit managed to run off never to be seen again. I found it a few weeks later in the woods or just a pile of rabbit fur actually. I honestly missed seeing it around. Damn I’m getting soft in my age.

From: Budly
Date: 05-Jan-18




I always hunt the very cold December days. I think it is a combination of realizing that I can't be wasting precious hunting opportunities as the season is ending and the personal sense of accomplishment I get when I take a deer in really cold weather. I don't give a rats butt what you other guys do. But I must admit that now that my season ended on 12/31, I am a little relieved that I won't be pushing myself to sit long hours in today's 6 degree weather that feels like -13 degrees with the wind. One of these days, my sensibilities will overrule my drive. It is only a matter of time. So nobody is right/wrong or better/worse. We just don't all have the same personal drive or sense to stay out of the cold. Have fun and be thick skinned!

From: Oly
Date: 05-Jan-18

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Not claiming to be a manly man... I just love the experience & solitude that is so prevelant when hunting the whitetail deer, no matter the season... yes I will hunt until the very last day & not make any excuses or lose any sleep over harassing natures creatures... heck, its a challenge just to see some this time of year

From: lawdy
Date: 05-Jan-18




I groundhunt and move. It makes a huge difference in the cold. I try to get one decent deer and that is it. Just my wife and I so unless I don't have a deer in the freezer, I switch to hound hunting and trapping. The worst cold is crossing big open cuts to get to a hare thicket in a strong wind. Tomorrow's wind chills are expected to be -45. Too cold for the hounds. Sunday is supposed to be cold but no wind.

From: Carpdaddy
Date: 05-Jan-18

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A few years back it didn’t matter, but age and health issues have forced me to let them alone. My buddy has been calling wanting me to go with him but I can’t get motivated in these temps. Yesterday he took a picture of the woods were we hunt hoping it would make me want to go but I don’t know why it would.

From: GF
Date: 05-Jan-18




JMHO....

There is ZERO reason to avoid hunting deer in cold temps unless far more animals are harassed than actually hunted. It's one thing to take them with a minimum of disturbance, and something else entirely to force them to burn much-needed calories running for no damn reason.

The guys who have pointed out that it is better to eat them than to let them starve are absolutely correct, and yes, it is far better (in terms of preserving or increasing the size of the herd) to take the little ones first, especially in what turns out to be a hard year; does that don't have to protect or compete with their own offspring are far more likely to survive and drop more fawns than those which have first-year fawns in tow.

If you don't want to hunt them, I have no quarrel with you. If you want to eat some of them, go for it.

One great thing about Real Cold is that they will allow you to get closer before they'll run away because they have an innate sense of the need to preserve what energy they can, so you can get a bit closer and make your shots that much more certain.

Is that "unfair"? JMO, not at all. It just Is What It Is. A truly snow-bound animal, no - that's crossing an imaginary line, but one that matters to me.

Just a suggestion: all those in favor of hunting in cold temps, go out in the yard and shoot instead of banging keys, and all those who are offended by the practice,make yourself another Toddy or Buttered Rum and let the brothers hunt. You probably did the same at one point.

From: tundrajumper
Date: 05-Jan-18




When living in Minnesota years ago, I came home and had to use a hair drier to get my face mask off. Saw over 100 deer walking single file couple 100yards away. It was 55 below wind chill. Wife always thought there was something wrong with me.

From: Silverback
Date: 05-Jan-18




I'm a proud bunny hugger that has hunted for years and have killed lots and lots of deer. Where I live they are hunted very hard for over 2 months. Day after day being persued and shot at. I see no harm saying enough is enough and waiting for the next season.If having some compassion for wild animals means I'm a bunny hugger the so be it.

From: monkeyball
Date: 05-Jan-18

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A few years back we hunted them hard in the late season. 99% were carrying Flintlocks, I carried my bow.

Cold, but not like it is right now, but cold. We would meet and eat breakfast in the one guys garage and then head out.

You were either a driver or a stander, and you switched each drive. We hit it hard till lunch time, then ate again.

Headed back out, and did it till dark. We killed deer, and man did you sleep well when you hit the bed that night.

This was one of the best days we had ever had. Good times for sure.

Good Shooting->->->->Craig

From: RymanCat
Date: 05-Jan-18




I can see how you can think like this but if you wanted another deer then you have to brave the elements in this winter season and its pretty brutal this year.

If you haven't gotten a deer by the winter season then your going to have a harder time in winter season even if they are baited heavy.

Winter season can be rewarding especially in snow. These animals are resilient and to feel sorry for them I don't think ya should.

In vehicle collisions areas its the vehicles or you to kill these animals so would you rather see one laid out on road or in your freezer and diner plate or give to friends and family who aren't as fortunate as you getting meat>

Only one I know who wants to see them laid out on road is Joe. He wants GPS where ya saw one laying up.LOL

I fully understand enough is enough as well too. I have said that plus I am not going to shoot unless I want to at will unlike at one time I would shoot to kill everything. There's was always a usage and someone who wanted an animal.

The expense and work is not enjoyed any more like it once was. I shot 6 turkeys last year not sure how many are going to fall yet this year? Guess as many as I have permits for.LOL I had 11 permits last year in 2 states in Pa. and NJ.

I am also tired of it all as well. I think am I going to go to my grave killing though. It don't stop there with deer it goes to pheasants over my dog and ducks and geese then fish in fishing seasons.

It can also be a sickness even though some say its harmless. It really isn't with some.

For me its not harmless its been a sickness. Please don't let it get out of control for you it can ruin family's also.

Just a word to the wise is all and how I feel about enough is enough.

From: Paul
Date: 05-Jan-18




I can enjoy hunting almost any time. I do sympathize with the concept of "Leaving them rest" just a bit. I can respect views of all kinds. Personally, the challenge of hunting in sever weather is a strange kind of fun for me. However, I don't do it a lot for a lot of the reasons stated above. Love the peace, love the challenge, hate the cold and quite frankly severe weather really affects how good you can hunt, shoot and survive even. Have fun with whatever you do or dont!

From: Mingo
Date: 06-Jan-18

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I’m with TrapperKayak and Oly. Guys it’s not about being a manly man or whatever tag line you want to put on us folks who simply love to successfully chase whitetails in the late season in sub zero temps. Maybe you should get off the couch, exercise your words and man up - it’s about the peace winds and love of what we cherish. -10 degrees poetic kill and protein for the family.

God bless - Mingo

From: MGF
Date: 06-Jan-18




15 F BELOW zero today and it's the last weekend of the season.

I never even had a chance to draw my bow this year so I'd be out hunting if I thought I could enjoy (survive) it in these temps.

Wait until next year?...Not the sort of thought that's likely to cheer me up.

Waiting for a hunting season...hunting for a place to hunt...shouldn't there be a deer or two at some point? LOL

From: lawdy
Date: 06-Jan-18




If you are sitting in a blind or tree stand in this cold, you are not stressing deer. They are bedded in a secluded place where they can escape the wind and cold. If you still hunt, odds are your shot will be close if you creep. Driving deer would rile them up, but up here, I never heard of bowhunters driving deer. Our season ended December 8 in our zone, the 15th for the rest of the state. The 16th I cruised my first deer yard with no activity. This week I cruised two natural yards where they are so deep in the woods that there is no feeding. The does and fawns have moved in big time and are laying down their trails. I snowshoed a ridge and ran into 2 big bucks that are hanging back and recovering from the rut. The wind storm last month laid down a lot of dead softwoods and the deer are loving the lichen on those dead trees. In two weeks, myself and our deer biologist will head out again. The deer had a great fall for feed and are going into this winter very well. Where people feed them will definitely be a problem with cars and trucks, plus the coyotes key on those areas. They eat grain and pick off the deer going from back yard to back yard. If you feed deer, allow a trapper on your land. The hare population is down this year and the exploding bobcat population is decimating the turkeys making deer more vulnerable. We tried to get a bobcat season with 50 permits statewide and the antis won. Now the chickens are coming home to roost. Bobcats love eating housecats and songbirds at feeders. Enjoy.

From: reddogge Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 06-Jan-18




I wish some of the he-man killers would print this thread out and keep it in a drawer and read it when they are in their seventies. It might change their tune a little.

From: TrapperKayak
Date: 06-Jan-18




Lol...tundrajumper, then you moved fo Alaska. Guess MN wasnt cold enough.... ;) or dark enough. :D

From: TrapperKayak
Date: 06-Jan-18




As usual here during these deep freezes, deer are coming up to lawns and houses and munching up any and all greenery they can reach, esp cedar. Right next to the houses. If you think hunters are scaring deer into using up essential energy reserves, maybe you should plant cedars next to your porch and then sit quietly and wait. You'll have a nice hidden spot right there and spare them a scare, have a very short drag (if you are physically limited), and a nice well fed animal to eat. You won't have,to venture too far in the cold. You can have your wife make you lunch and you won't have to keep her waiting. Oh, wait, baiting is bogus, and illegal in NY. Never mind. ;)

From: TrapperKayak
Date: 06-Jan-18




Hope you sensitive gents,realize I'm just messing with ya's. I am empathetic to the wildlife, believe me. I wouldn't have gone into the field of fish and wildlife mgt in not so.

From: tundrajumper
Date: 06-Jan-18




TK, we aren't near as cold as you are in NY. hehe, and almost 7 hrs daylite. 3 inches of snow. Having snow crablegs and eggs for breakfast. Living the life. later TK

From: TrapperKayak
Date: 06-Jan-18




Oh my, snowcrab and eggs for breakfast. And I had oatmeal with craisins and walnuts... A living palate's nightmare..... ;) I guess its healthy tho. (Really not that bad tasting I guess..just got to keep telling myself that).

From: tundrajumper
Date: 06-Jan-18




WE HAVE OATMEAL TWICE A WEEK, WITH FLAX AND FRUIT. WIFE SAYS IT'S GOOD FOR ME. 15 DEGREES TODAY

From: dean
Date: 06-Jan-18




During the extreme cold, I watched a small doe with it fawn come across the road in front of my car miles from the river bottoms, just a few small groves in that area. She walked with in a few yards of my car and hardly even glassed at me. A farmer drove up behind me, he did not honk or drive around me. We watched the doe and the very small fawn head down the side of the road. He got out and came up and asked if some clover alfalfa mix hay would help them. I said if he could put it over by those pine trees at the end of that grove it may. He said that both places were his and he would do that. The other week west of Sutherland I saw about 40 deer going in single file across the bean flats, this was before the cold snap. To deer there is a lot of difference between 20 degrees above zero to 20 degrees below zero. People think that a former bean field or corn field has lots of food in it. Not once they have been chip plowed and are covered with snow. The wild life burn more calories to find the food than the food source has to offer. Right now north of town farmers have left some food out for the deer on back sides of their groves. I am hoping for a few nice days this week. I may go out, it is 20 out today, a heat wave.

From: Riverwolf
Date: 06-Jan-18

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.... late season hunt a "Big" handful of years ago.....warm as a man can be on the way out , and one of my most memorable hunts .

If the numbers warrant it and my freezer is low , I hunt .....Been a good number of years since that was the case with our local deer heard . So I don't like to put undo pressure on what remains myself .

From: BOWTOUGH Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 06-Jan-18

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10deg. Perfect!!!!!

From: pdk25
Date: 06-Jan-18




Seems like there are plenty of insults coming from both sides of the issue, and some pretty unscientific reasons coming from at least one.

From: pdk25
Date: 06-Jan-18




Or more correctly, using dubious logic.

From: Elderly OCR
Date: 06-Jan-18




In the grand scheme it probably matters very little which deer you shoot when pickings are slim for them.

It's a not a perfect system that balances out immediately.

From: GF
Date: 06-Jan-18




I really don’t get it… There are plenty of good solid reasons why hunting late in the season may in fact to do more good than harm, but if a guy just isn’t up for it, then why the heck should you be out there? Love what you do, do what you love!

In this weather, right now… If I had a place to hunt... I would go hunting.

From: lawdy
Date: 06-Jan-18




Why is this an issue? Unless you have a couple feet of snow, deer up here are still spread out at the end of the season, especially the bucks. Bowhunters are quiet, solitary hunters who sneak in and sneak out. An arrow is silent so unlike rifle hunters opening up on a deer, you don't terrify every animal within hearing. If deer are having it rough with little snow on the ground, you have a habitat and cover issue with too many deer and have exceeded the carrying capacity of the area you live in. Loss of habitat will kill more deer and other animals than bowhunters, and low temps do a stellar job at keeping most hunters sitting in front of a wood stove. After the gun season up here ended on Dec 8, only one deer was killed by bow in a span of 5 towns over the final week of bow season. That is an area of 500+ square miles. Not much of an impact. If one is hardy enough, or certifiably crazy enough, like me, go for it. I love winter in the woods, and so does my beagle.

From: Ludy
Date: 06-Jan-18




Glad I hunt in Alabama, Its been cold here but we have plenty of deer and our season isn't over until Feb 10th. So on those really cold days I kick back or go and scout. Then go back and hunt on nice days. Guess I'm older and the drive to kill isn't as bad as it used to be.

From: shade mt
Date: 07-Jan-18




Kind of silly to argue over stuff like this folks.

First off I doubt I'd want to hunt with someone that was just a bloodthirsty killer, with no compassion. I have been fortune enough over the years to have taken more game, especially deer and turkey than most. But I'm far from bloodthirsty or without feeling.

As far as whether or not its ethical to hunt deer in the winter? healthy deer yes, deer bogged down by deep snow, starving ect..? I probably wouldn't.

I'd be far more likely to hike in cut down browse for them, take feed in, or whatever rather than hunt them when they are weak. If I was starving? yes that would be different.

Doubtful any of us are starving on here, and if you are then sell your computer or smart phone, get off this forum and go buy grocery's.

Keep in mind deer are not humans, they can take the cold far better than we can.

From: PEARL DRUMS
Date: 07-Jan-18




The problem starts when there is more than 5 replies in a thread. Very few read the entire CONVERSATION and it turns into a giant turd ball screaming down turd hill towards the bottom.

From: TrapperKayak
Date: 07-Jan-18




Shade, well stated, I love it! You can share a huntin camp with me anytime! PEARL, your's is pretty funny too, and true. I doubt that bow hunting during Dec, Jan, or even Feb. has much if any impact on overall herd or even individual ungulate health compared to natual predators due to the extreme stealth appoach we take to harvest them. But there is a wintertime and early springtime activity that has been proven to put stress on deer and elk herds and obe which many hunters partake of and may take,for granted the impact it has, and that is SHED HUNTING. For those of you prone to empathy towards wintering ungulates, maybe its time to put energy into the effort to protect the artiodactyles from wonton harrassment purely for the same of monetary gain. Yes, there are some states that have put protective measres in place. But when it comes to money, well, you know how that usually goes.... Toward the man and against the animal. May be time for some concern there instead of worrying about some bowhunters pushing wintering game too hard, seriously.

From: TrapperKayak
Date: 07-Jan-18




Don't get me wrong, I am not demoting,shed hunting at all, just saying use good sense and dont harrass or chase game. Maybe time it so they are in their feeding areas when you are in their beding areas and vice versa, just the opposite of when you ar hunting them. Btw, I am a serious shedder. But I try to be careful doing it with low impact on them.

From: Shawn
Date: 07-Jan-18




Sorry but anyone who says they have no feeling for the deer should not be hunting!! I have killed more then most but I also have compassion for them as well. I do everything I can do to help them through the winter and this bitter cold. Shawn

From: MGF
Date: 07-Jan-18




Feeling for the deer?

I think and feel that deer are a resource that I would like to preserve in order to preserve my hunting....though hunting where I live already pretty much stinks unless you're a land owner or spreading large amounts of money around.

Feeling for the deer...I'm not sure I could shoot a pointy stick into somebody that I had feelings for.

I don't see the difference between shooting them during the rut vs. January or whatever.

Deer just do what they do...they duck and dodge predators regardless of time of year or weather. We like to hunt them during the rut because the bucks get stupid...so much for having feelings for the deer.

I read some of this stuff and it's hard to believe my eyes. It's like listening to NPR or something.

From: shade mt
Date: 07-Jan-18




I think your reading into the word "feeling just a bit to much MGF...feeling as in not wanting to cause undue suffering ect...

NOT feeling like I have towards my wife, kids, fellow human beings ect...Come on folks lets use a little common sense here, this isn't THAT! big of an issue.

From: TrapperKayak
Date: 08-Jan-18




LOL, too much! I have compassion for animal life, all of it. I get no pleasure from watching a critter that I shoot dying, in fact it bums me out seeing that. But I will never stop doing it, and I feel a great sense of satisfaction having a harvested animal hanging, and get pleasure from admiring it and using the feathers, hair, teeth, antlers, whatever, to adorn things or make things. Does that mean I have feelings for it? Yeah. Do I get pleasure from the actual killing of the animals (or even fish)? No. (Fish are not nearly as big a heartbreaker as furry little animals or big doe eyes though)... :) ) I get pleasure from the harvest aspect of it, its very satisfying have them in my possession to eat and process and store and use parts of. Nothing can compare to hunting, fishing, and trapping when it comes to satisfaction of the harvest, not even gardening. I have caused a lot of death and think little of it, but that doesn't mean I don't care about them. I guess it could even be considered a dominion thing. How could you not have compassion for that deer that trusts you enough and comes to eat from your hand? That involves feelings. But I am not going to let that stop me from shooting a pointy stick into one and drag it home, DEAD. I have feelings for it but I am still going to kill it. I get a feeling that is the attitude of the majority of you here on the Wall.

From: ground hunter
Date: 08-Jan-18




The deer in NE Wis and the central UP are doing well, not much snow to speak of, and the cold weather does not bother them deer at all......

They are logging like crazy now, and the deer are on the tops, and looking good.........

The wolves are or have killed all the coyotes for the most part, seeing and trapping a lot of red fox,,,,,,,

got a deer this past week,,,,,, we do not have the deep snow they have in the east

From: South Farm
Date: 08-Jan-18




I look at it like I'm doing them a favor by putting out of their (supposed) misery.

Deer aren't human, they're way tougher. They're designed to endure the elements...and if they can't then that's also part of the circle of life...ensuring only the strong survive. Heck, most of us would be dead in the morning if we curled up in the cold like they do. Biologically/physiologically they're amazing creatures!

From: Ollie Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 08-Jan-18




I understand your compassion for the animals that we hunt. I have passed up very old bucks that were clearly well past their prime and were arthritic simply because I admired them for all of the years they were able to elude hunters, cars, dogs, coyotes, etc. It's a shame that some on this website just don't get it. You belong with the mainstream crowd on the other site that is currently celebrating an 88 yard shot that a video star made to kill a Dall's sheep on his tv show.

From: lv2bohunt
Date: 08-Jan-18




Our society has become programmed to believe that animals have human emotions, judgement and reasoning. This mindset will only become more ingrained with the coming generations to the point where hunting disappears. Most hunters I know don't like to see animals suffer at all but they would agree with TrapperKayak and not let it keep them from hunting.

From: TrapperKayak
Date: 08-Jan-18




True that about society, and I wish what would become more ingrained is the fact that no matter how your meat died or where it originated, it was still a live animal that ended up DEAD whether hunted or confined to a wire pen, cage, stantion, field with fence, or whatever it was reared in. A chicken, a pig, a cow, a lamb, all fell at he hands of man, whether it was a hunter or farmer, so why should hunting ever disappear. All farming and ranching is, is a controlled form of hunting if you think about it. Just the method of rearing, pursuit, and harvest is different, and more controlled obviously. What the 'society' should take into account, if they have 'feelings' for the animals, is that at least wildlife stands a very good chance of never being killed (and lives a great life in the meantime if it does), vs. NEVER having a day of freedom in its life in some cases (except stock on the range - they do). It's all so ludicrous, this state of affairs against hunting now, its freaking craziness. Everything that's ever breathed and is then eaten IS HUNTED in some form.

From: Shotkizer
Date: 08-Jan-18




Luv hunting in the cold! Killed my biggest deer on these days.

From: tundrajumper
Date: 08-Jan-18




I'm LIKE SHOTKIZER, KILLED MY BIGGEST BUCKS IN DEC.

From: Oly
Date: 26-Jan-18

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sitting in stand tonight, thoroughly enjoying the final days of the WI metro area late season, contemplating the void that's about to ensue in just a few short days... thankful for the opportunity to hunt through the end of January & for good friends that will help occupy time during shooting get togethers, until September 2018... it can't come soon enough

From: GF
Date: 26-Jan-18




" understand your compassion for the animals that we hunt. I have passed up very old bucks that were clearly well past their prime and were arthritic simply because I admired them for all of the years they were able to elude hunters, cars, dogs, coyotes, etc. It's a shame that some on this website just don't get it. "

Might be more compassionate to end it quick with a 2-blade he never knew hit him than to let him starve out or freeze up or be dragged down by his entrails by a pack of coyotes... Mightn't it?

I don't care if people want to hunt late in the year or not, but to presume that you're somehow more Noble or Compassionate or Ethical if you don't is just pure, unadulterated self-congratulatory Bulllschi........

Well, I won't quite finish that thought......

But that's what it is. It's the same My Feelings Are More Important Than Your Logic & Science crap that's fueling all of the irrationality that is jacking up this country from Wing to Wing of the political spectrum.

From: Oly
Date: 26-Jan-18




GF... great post, couldn't agree more, although to each his own

From: SteveMcD Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 26-Jan-18




For Health reasons, when the temps stay down in the teens, single digits and below, I stay indoors. Pneumonia isn't fun. Those temps trigger asthma on me.

From: Babbling Bob Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 26-Jan-18




Last time some of my friends and I were out hunting when it was bittercold in the middle of the winter, gas was a quarter (a gallon).

From: Shawn
Date: 26-Jan-18




I can say this it is not the huggers that bother me as much as the guys who say they have no feeling for the deer!! I am not ashamed to admit, I like to shoot and kill deer but I m the first to admit I care about them deeply. I understand their struggles throughout the year the cold comment about adding to their struggle is kind of BS. Deer can struggle any time of the year depending on where they are living. I do agree a lot of comments on here make me wonder why a lot of folks even bother to hunt cause they rarely kill anything or could care less if they kill anything, then hunt with a fu@*ing camera but to say you don't care about the animal we hunt to me is BS!! If you don't care about them you should not be hunting!! Shawn

From: bwallace
Date: 26-Jan-18




You can always spot a bunny hugger; they have deep claw marks all over their face and neck.

I have to admit, I'm a little jealous of you Eastern folks who keep on hunting into this time of year. While people pay big money and travel from afar to come elk hunting here in Colorado, 5 weekends in the HOT late summer for bow season doesn't quite equal hunting throughout the fall and into the winter months with multiple deer tags.

From: GF
Date: 26-Jan-18




Don’t kid yourself, bud!

I would SO much rather have the immersive experience of getting after Elk for a week than this hunting for a few hours here or there while the season drags on for months....

Especially because when you think you can go “any time” (except on a Sunday) for 4 1/2 months.. it's just too easy to keep putting it off and off until it just never happens for you and suddenly it’s February and nothing but squirrels and rabbits and maybe a coyote or fox if you hit a bunny or squirrel a bit less than perfectly and it decides to let the whole world know that you muffed it.

Better to take a week and be serious about it.

Besides, if you’d rather eat whitetail than Elk... Dude - we’ll set up a trade!

(Humor: due to fat-fingering, the previous sentence originally read “shite-tail”, which is a bit harsh, but then compared to grass-and-huckleberry-fed Cow Elk.... LOL)

From: Babbling Bob Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 27-Jan-18




Think even most animals look for shelter when it's terrible outside.

If they could read, they would probably drink hot coffee and read hunting stories close to some heat under a blanket. Used to sit on the corner of the floor furnace and read hunting stories by Russell Anabell or NFAA's Archery magazine, polish my new '62 Kodiak Magnum and think about a better day. Often a bad day outside would become a good day when a friend, Johnny Grubbs (an archery instructor), would call on a bitter cold day to go hunt those wascally wabbuts.

Down here in Florida last week, had a wascally wabbut crawl out from under the outbuilding not far from my bag target. He sure was having fun watching me kill paper plates.

From: Fall Gray
Date: 27-Jan-18




From: Fall Gray
Date: 27-Jan-18

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LOVE the solitude and lack of other hunters!! Great time to reflect on life....

From: swampwalker
Date: 27-Jan-18




GF x2

From: GF
Date: 27-Jan-18




And FWIW, I agree with Shawn's thought about caring about he animals - some on this thread may think of it as "compassion" - words often mean different things to each one of us (which is why "literal" interpretation of scripture gets real sticky, real fast!)....

But IMHO, if you don't give a rip about their suffering, JMO, you don't have sufficient Moral Compass to be trusted with weapons.

I just don't see how it's any less compassionate to kill a deer in December than November, October or September. Or January, for that matter. Dead is dead, and whatever pain they experience in the process is a lot more dependent on the skill and good fortune of the hunter than on the weather, isn't it?

It's one thing if you're talking about large-scale deer drives that exhaust the reserves of a lot of animals that are going to have to get through the winter that much leaner for it; that's irresponsible, IMO, because it verges on harassment of the wildlife.

But the way most of us hunt - whether from the ground or up a tree - that only affects the one animal that we draw down on, and that animal doesn't want to be dead any more than you or I do, so it's not as if the weather really alters the equation.....

From: oldbow
Date: 27-Jan-18




Nothing better than Bowhunting in the snow..I even had a white snow suit made so that I could get closer to them critters...But now we never get snow in this area..Plus you have the woods all to yourself..And they are not any eaisier.

From: ground hunter
Date: 28-Jan-18




This has been one of the best late seasons I have ever had,,,, not being able to hunt the fall do to heart surgery, now I am out every day ,,,,,,,,,,

I have shot one deer, and missed 2,,,, I have seen a lot of deer, absolutely no pressure, and no hunters,,,,, southern Wis and one deer taken in N Wis......

I can hunt thru Wed,,,,,,The weather has been really really good

This might sound odd, but I prefer no snow, but that is not going to happen here,,,,, snow shows where I have been and going to,,,,,,,,, it is beautiful though,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Reflection on your life, no better time, take it from someone who knows, enjoy each and every day, be kind and tolerant to people, and just enjoy

From: scienceguy
Date: 28-Jan-18




My hunting is not so much regulated by the cold, but more to harvesting the amount of venison I need for a year. To make the summer sausage, jerky, Italian sausage, loins, and ground venison that we need takes two good sized deer or their equivalent. By "good sized" I mean a deer that field dresses 120 pounds or so. I know "hunters" who brag about the number of deer they kill each year like it is some test of manhood or their hunting skills. My approach is to take what I can use. If I were a land owner with a surplus deer/habitat problem, I would be donating deer to the local food bank, or allowing some young hunter and his father or mother an opportunity to hunt.

From: lawdy
Date: 28-Jan-18




As a tracker/still hunter, I don't hunt much until snow hits. Even when I sit, I like snow as it tells me where deer are traveling. Therefore, I am mostly a cold weather hunter.

From: South Farm
Date: 31-Jan-18




I don't think any hunter really wants to see any animal suffer. But I also believe we're guilty of ASSUMING they are "suffering" simply because it's winter outside. Physiologically deer are very different from us. Just because we step outside and think it's cold, miserable, or an inhumane environment doesn't mean they feel likewise...for example, who's better equipped to stand barefoot in 2' of snow, us or them?!? Deer can hack all but the most brutal and long-lasting of winters...and when they don't that is how it should be. Mother nature isn't always "fair" but she damn well knows what she's doing. It's hard to separate those who say they "care" about an animal but then willingly send an arrow through it's vitals from those who feel compassion when they perceive an animal is suffering. I believe like most things pertaining to hunting that's a personal thing that should be largely sorted out in the quiet of the woods.

From: TrapperKayak
Date: 31-Jan-18




'...5 weekends in the HOT late summer for bow season doesn't quite equal hunting throughout the fall and into the winter months with multiple deer tags...' I can totally agree with that statement. But I also see GF's point. My problem with CO mulies (and CA blacktails) is that every bow kill I see is a big buck in velvet. I for one, hate shooting animals in velvet, and will never do it again after taking two caribou in AK both in velvet. No way I enjoy hunting in 'summer' conditions. I want cold snowy conditions or at least fall leaves and crisp mornings with frost on the ground to hunt in. Early bow seasons during the elk rut are fun, but it has to be cooler for me to really enjoy it. Frosty mornings at least. No velvet bucks or bulls. I like shed out velvet, hard bone. Calling in elk bulls is as good as it gets, but I like cold weather, not summer-like weather. I'm staying out of the 'ethics of suffering' debates. I love animals, don't want to see them die, but love to kill tehm and take them home. I feel 'bad' but not bad enough to stop me from doing it, and I am a hunter that kills and inflicts pain doing it. Whatever, just go hunt and shoot something. What the hey?

From: 3arrows
Date: 31-Jan-18




Depends on your age.

From: tradmt
Date: 31-Jan-18

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Hunt for fish instead. :)

From: GF
Date: 31-Jan-18




I like polished antlers, too.... but I’m not going to tell anybody that he-she shouldn’t take an animal just because it’s still in velvet.... are you?

From: Ron LaClair Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 31-Jan-18

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From: Riverwolf
Date: 01-Feb-18




Way to "Get after it" Ron ;^)

From: TrapperKayak
Date: 01-Feb-18




No Matt, I don't care if others do. I hope I didn't come across as implying that. I myself just don't like velvet antlers except on a live animal I'm watching. I prefer hunting in cold weather, not in June, July or even August. Its bad enough during spring turkey. Just doesn't seem like hunting season then. But it does shorten the time between the big game seasons.

From: lawdy
Date: 01-Feb-18




We have so many black flies up here that if you open your mouth while riding a bike, you get a full meal. The bugs up here last until November. Because of coaching gratefully, that is when I start to hunt.





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