They have a picture of it on they're Face Book page. I love the look.

Billed as a target longbow. I'm betting that thin limb really spits out an arrow. Very interesting look to the fade outs. It appears there's not much?

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Has to be the ugliest wood bow I ever saw, they're copying what some other Bowyers are successfully doing but they seemed to have missed something along the way. Longbows to me are about functional beauty, this is just functional.

Wow...in my eyes...I agree one of the ugliest bows I've seen

YUCK!!

I guess beauty is in the eyes of the bow-holder !!! I kinda like it,... sort of has the Black Widow profile. I would think it would be smooth and NO hand shock.

Mud fence with limbs.

I usually like the looks of a boarder but not that

I like how it looks. longer and heavier riser with lighter limbs. I won't mind trying it out. -ted

Wow, that worse than a BW.

kinda looks like a Olympic riser with wooden weights out front? dunno looks like it will shoot though bet it aint cheap

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.I find it interesting.I see its a D shape when strung.Your right about the fadeouts.Not a big deal.Part of the design.I am a sucker for nice long tapering fadeouts though.

Reminds me of a Black Widow. I think Black Widows are ugly.

can't say I would have let that one come off the drawing table and make it to production.

it would look so much better imo if they cut the protrusions off and just tapered it back to the limb.

I gotta believe they found some benefit to the added mass at the location of the riser/limb juncture?

to each their own. for me, no thanks.

Definitely not your stereotypical longbow but would like to try it. If Border longbows perform like their recurves I would have to assume they would be a great piece of archery equipment.

One man's prize is another man's junk, not for me but will probably sell quite a few.

Added weight for balance and stability I am assuming. I would love to try one.

Not for me.

I don't see a Widow but I do see ugly. It would have to be a real good shooter, and the price of a Sage for me to own one.

Hideous

It would be a really nice bow and something I may purchase having owned a few Borders prior...but whats up with those two UGLY nubs hanging off the front??

I would bet that the lower knob is heavier than the top. I'd guess it would have to be function, because it has to add expense.

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Hey..... don’t you see,....it’s got a built-in bow stand. LOL

I agree with elkhuntr, ....bearfootin, you figured it out.

Interesting profile. It’s always nice to have an eye candy bow. That said, I’ll take a ugly, homely looking bow if I can easily shoot it well. If you can have both with just one bow, that’s the best.

Chop them things sticking out off and it would look better imo.<><

It's def interesting . Wonder how it shoots? I end up adding a bunch of weight to my bows anyway. If they made it in a shorter length and got the brace up I'd try to shoot one and see what it does. I like ugly , heavy bows tho lol

My goodness Todd, that monstrosity is almost as ugly as your recurve, lol!!

looks awesome, like a well balanced shooting machine, which you know it is...

Yep, nope. That could be the grail of longbow shooting experience and I still wouldn't buy it. That's one ugly bow.

I dunno. Im not one for trying to make a longbow a recurve, which a heavy, full pistol grip riser does, but the looks sort of grow on one after a while. I'd love to give it a try, thoughI don't think I'd own one.

Oh now its not that bad. I bet it would be fun to shoot. It still looks WAY more beautiful than any of the compound bows being made today. I bet when most people first saw a Black Widow it wasn't love at first sight either.

Yeah, pretty ugly but like Craig said, Border doesn't do anything half assed. These "bumps" are reminiscent of the stabilizing horns on most of the 60's era target recurves.

I'll stick with my Border Griffon. In my mind a long bow is about geometry, not mass.

It's my understanding this particular "longbow" was/is designed to be a TARGET bow. Target bows are designed to put as many points as possible on a score card, not look pretty or fill someones preconceived notions of what a longbow is suppose to look like.

I'm not thrilled with its appearance either, but I'll bet the farm it fills the bill for what it was designed to do--in spades.

The 60's and 70's Browning Explorer's had similar extensions on the face of the bow for stability.

But, in contrast, the Explorer's were much more easy on the eyes!

Now that I look at the picture there are a lot of similarities in the riser design to the Explorer eh? Here's a 1972.

I don't like the abrupt fades on that longbow...interesting to see if they hold up.

I'd sure like to try it before I knocked it. It looks like a longbow for someone that really likes recurves.

To each their own, but if it shoots well and feels good in the hand, it a winner. After all, you can't see the profile at full draw (thank goodness).

Among those in the know?...it's really no secret what effect having an increased amount of mass positioned at the bases of the limbs has on the shoot-ability of a bow where at one time?...there was a Bowyer who did so on both sides...

Ya it's ugly until some top shooter gets one and starts winning, then the bow's appearance changes to a swan. :-)

As I said before those bumps, knobs, protrusions, batwings, what ever you want to call them have a weight/balance purpose. Take them off and you have a 12 post thread.

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So looking at it, it's basically a 60's target recurve riser with longbow limbs. I can find likely a dozen or more risers that are in that configuration. Sid is smart enough to know what has worked for a long time will still work in his designs. What better test than one that was figured out fifty-plus years ago. That is certainly nothing new at all, but nice to see someone actually does research.

Reminded me of the CD Archery WF risers.

Nope, she won't win any beauty contests but I bet it's an accurate bugger. When I first looked at it on the 8th I recoiled and thought "60's" target recurve, but looking at it again today it's growing on me. Won't ever own one though...

Yet every year all major Longbow Championships are won with a standard traditional longbow riser profile. No mass weight, no recurve risers with longbow limbs. Those mass weight type longbows are already out there, and for what its worth, nobody has won squat at the IBO Traditional World Championships with either a Fox Triple Crown, or a Timberpoint Kraken, the heaviest recurve riser with longbow limbs available. Scores for winning a World Championship in longbow run in the 550 range for 3 days. That's over a span of 60 targets, if you do the math that's averaging over 9 points per target. Those are being shot with traditional shaped risers. Having owned all the above I can attest I've seen zero improvements in score between a heavy riser and a normal riser.

Nobody has said anything about the limbs. You can bet that they're made out of something that comes from Hex limbs that gave it, it's stability.

I'm betting all the naysayers would be cut in half once they shot it.

As to address Moose's comment - what the heck you doing on the LW? Go back to where their more open to change. LOL.

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MoOse: I'd tend to agree with that but this is where the lines blur between..."Skill & Equipment"...simply because?...

If mass weight in a riser made no difference in the shoot-ability of a bow?...I don't believe we'd be seeing these things known as Barebow Risers which are very hefty to the point that it surpasses balance and moves solidly into..."Increased Stability"

Come off the IBO Trad World Championships and move into a venue where single shots of unknown closer distances at foam turn into multiple shots from known distances of greater yardages on paper?...and I'm pretty sure that added mass paints a very different picture.

Many of us love to romance our beloved longbows and there's moments my 16oz (total weight) Hawk Hybrid absolutely rules the roaming distances of my backyard but past that?...it's no match for my Phenolic risered CH let alone my Spig 650 Club Barebow.

If that was true about heavy mass risers, I invite you to look into RU scores vs Longbow scores. With one notable difference, Dewyane is one of the best recurve shooters period, he's way above average in terms of score. But I think you'll find given that one exception, they are not that far apart. The RU rigs max distance is 6 yeards farther than a Longbow with wood arrows. An RU rig is allowed elevated rest and plunger, a 12" stab, clickers and no limit on mass weight. I'm citing scores not theory.

MoOse: The differences aren't as apparent in the shorter games.

Try your prowess on the field rounds, or 900 rounds and you will see why recurves and heavier risers are preferred. A 30 target 3D isn't 112 arrow field round, or a 90 arrow American/900 round.

Dao?...you're a man of few words. LOL!

...sorry just wanted to share a video from border FB, the first one didin't go through. -ted

Ben Pearson target bows have a similar profile.

When we shoot our bows we view them from the belly side. They all look pretty much that same to me from that position. And when I am shooting I certainly pay no attention to how the bow looks.

DDave

Moose the Timberpoints are doing VERY well in IFAA Field and Bowhunter 3D.

At the time the Blackbrook Zeta was pretty chunky compared to other brands, I shot it well, I struggled with the Timberpoint although smoother shooting and more stable (I think it is partly because ILF Recurves messed up my Longbow game). Still one of the best Longbows I ever shot was the 21st Edge, Italians at IFAA Bowhunter worlds tried to ban mine and Danas by saying it was not D shape and the reason I went with Blackbrook. 08 Euro Bowhunters I shot a 530 on last day, higher than winning Bowhunter Recurve score, I had no reason to want to shoot anything but the Edge apart from complainers.

Ulle Kell is shooting Border Griffon. This year she won IFAA World 3D Bowhunters, IFAA Euro field champs and 2nd WA3D worlds. My ILF Recurves I tune the bow to how I want it to shoot, Longbows I figured out how it wanted to shoot and adapted myself to the Bow. I love SW accuracy but I do miss that bonding feel you get from Longbows.

I will add that my point is these Longbows wont be Longbows anymore, they are just becoming straight limbed Recurves, lacking that feel you get when you spend time and understand the character of how your Longbow wants to be shot.

LOL!..."The Balance" of that very uniquely shaped riser longbow is AWESOME! LOL!

I have a Griffon too and love it. I agree LBs are about clean lines. IMO

If you shoot a longbow like a target recurve, then the longbow will eventually turn into a target recurve :)

That's pretty hard to look at.

That's pretty hard to look at.

Moose you cannot compare RU and Longbow if the distances are even slightly dfferent better to use WA3D Instinctive div v Longbow. You see a clear score gap at this level but it is comparing Wood Recurves with Carbon arrows.

NFAS in UK have a Recurve div that uses wood arrows and split finger release same a Longbow, since 2000 the Longbows have frequently out shot this Recurve div(But it is only the top shooters, comparing average it is the Recurve having the advantage) most of the time it is Andys Blackbrook Zetas winning. Im not sure if you consider the Zeta a high mass riser, it is kinda in between traditional Longbows and the likes of the Timbrpoint Kraken.

Barebows are in that 5lb mass weight range, not sure if a 2lb or 3lb mass Longbow is adding enough to give the same advantages as 5lb Barebow rigs?

another photo from FB

The first thing I notice is the extreme curve at the fades where the riser and limb meet. Now if the glass goes on through and the humps are add ons its ok. if not I believe it to be a flaw in design. too sharp and will probably eventually delaminate. I have seen a lot of bows delaminate there with a lot less bend. God bless, Steve

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