As many of you know, I switched back to the compound over the winter. Due to an injury. I'm sure some of you remember the flack that myself and BOXCALL received for trying to work out a deal for one of his wheel bows. I sure do.
Anyways, I have worked very hard to be able to shoot a trad bow again. I used to shoot mid 60's and even had some mid 70 pound bows. But, no matter how hard I worked, I couldn't get my shoulder and bicep to be able to handle shooting a hunting weight bow again without aching for days afterward. I tried deflex/reflex long bows, straight limb longbows, recurves, long and short. It didn't matter. If I tried to shoot a manly weight bow, I simply hurt so bad I couldn't sleep. By manly weight, I mean 50 pounds at 28.5 at least.
Now, before some of you get mad and start telling me how I can kill a deer with less than 50 pounds, hear me out please. I have indeed killed deer with trad bows that drew less than 50 pounds at my draw. But, I just don't feel like it is the ethical thing to do. And, I do not buy into the apathy that many here exhibit when they preach about light bows being more accurate. If that is for you, than sobeit. It isn't for me.
Anyways, I worked hard and rehabbed as much as I could. But, no dice. Every time I tried to shoot a decent bow, I simply hurt for days. So, I was speaking with a buddy of mine on here knw as longbowdave, who happens to be a pretty dang good bowyer as well, about my problem. He said he had an idea on a bow design that would still hold strict to the laws of traditional archery, but provide enough mechanical advantage for me to be able to draw enough weight to be a manly man once again.
I sad ok and inquired about what he had in mind. He told me he'd build it, and shoot for a mid 50's weight at my draw. The rest, he left me in the dark on. For a couple months I awaited some hints on the progress and what he had in mind. Finally, he told me he was going to bring it down on our annual hunting trip this year.
So, when he arrived, he presented me with this bow. I was astounded. It was a deflex/reflex design, 60 inch NTN longbow. It scaled 56 pounds at my 28.5 inch draw. And shot amazing. So much so, I hunted with it the following days. I experienced some success with it too. Initially, I really liked it. But, as you will see, it has a weird addition.
My only hang up on the bow, is if it fits the definition of "trad". I don't want "trad" enough. I want "trad" to the bone. I realize in the past that I have been the first to tell anyone that the weapon didn't matter. But, the older I get, the more "trad" defines my hunting worth. So, it is important to me to be able to KNOW that I fit into the traditional group.
So, please tell me what you think. I'll post a pic next post. It is very important to me to be a real hunter. Also, has anyone every seen anything like this before.
Unless you want to rip your shoulder to pieces or go #40-45, you are relagated to shooting that bow which looks gorgeous to me. At least it looks like a real bow and not some metallic machine. With a design like that, us old farts can carry a trad bow into our 90's. Enjoy it.
Yep. When compounds first came out, some fellas also started selling wheels that one could attach to recurve limbs after shortening them a bit. Made an inexpensive compound out of a recurve. Kind of looks like that's what you have there.
Given your posts over the years, I'm a bit surprised that you equate draw weight with "manliness"/traditional, etc. Don't know how/why you convinced yourself that one needs 50# or more to be ethical, kill a critter with a traditional bow. That's simply not the case.
Regardless, good luck in finding something that works for you.
Never saw one like that Justin...that's different for sure.
Frankly I wouldn't care what others think anyway, but bringing it here is asking for the neotrads to go bat shit crazy. Anyway, I have a Jennings T-Star coming in the mail tomorrow, and I have a Martin Cougar Mag in the basement. But this is a traditional forum, so I won't say anything more about them. My religion is of the Christian faith, not archery.
George every time I read your posts, I feel better about life and people. Thanks for posting and I'm not being a smart @$$. I would shoot the strings off that bow and Love every minute of it. Definitely has the older compound style, but still working limbs. I suffered a collarbone injury due to stupidity this season early. So I hunted my compound until it became to much and then carried my rifle. After 6 weeks I was able to shoot my trad bows again and finished my last tag with a nice young buck. IF, I had not been able to shoot the bow for a bit longer I would have still enjoyed carrying my rifle and perhaps a real muzzleloader at the end of the season. Any way you can enjoy time in the woods I say it's all good. I have read lots of your posts in the past, no sense in getting worked up now. Just enjoy the world as your body allows.
Well, I didn't use to care either George. But, for some reason I do now.
1/2 mile, that bow is all wood except for the string and metal rivets. That string is on the cutting edge of material and craftsmanship design. I imagine if Rick Barbee had stayed in the business longer, he may have discovered the design and material before Dave did. Also, The square out dates the wheel. So, even though the thing resembles a compound, I'm trying to convince myself it truly has merit for being traditional. At lest as traditional as any stick only bow. That is what's important to me.
Remember we like to use the word Trad, but only a couple use the term Primitive correctly. Our bows are far from their predecessors of bent sticks. So with that in mind, ENJOY THAT THING AND SHOOT IT!! :D
If you are a grown up you don't need anyone's approval of weight class or bow type. Shoot what you are comfortable with.Shoot what ever puts a smile on your face. It is stupid too hurt yourself for anyone's approval. I do quite well with 40 pound draw weight. If I need to go back to a CP so what.The big manly guys can tote my critters out of the woods to show how stout they are.Just keep the arrows flying for as long as you can. >>>----> Ken
I? was worried about that too Brad. But the squeels do most of the work. It is very accurate to shoot. It over comes the holding of full poundage at full draw. We didn’t test it but, I’m guessing it’s about 90 percent let off. I? was able to stay anchored forever with it and really burn my hole into the target. Here’s a pic of my 3rd and forth shot. It shoots where you look for sure.
As you can tell, some were amazed at how accurate it was. Super quiet too. Much better pointer than any bow I’ve shot. I? attribute that to the bowyers base trad bow design though.
Im glad that you have found a way to stay in the game and enjoy shooting. Each of us has to find what works for him or her and the only goals are accurate shooting and enjoyment. Best of luck on full recovery!
That bow has some serious design and knowledge into making it. The bowyer has an exceptional talent. I am curious, there is a cross section where compound bows called cables come together. Does your bow have that as one continuous string, or what was used for the "cable" section, and is there an issue with clearance/ arrow slap when the arrow is released?
I was in camp when this bow arrived. I'm 72 and due to several physical problems I can no longer shoot 50 + # bows. I was permitted to shoot the bow and managed 2 shots having difficulty with the 56# s. My accuracy was not near Justin's but I was amazed. Quiet, fast and no hand shock. I loved the grip. The string was unusual and had no center serving but felt good on bare fingers for 2 shots. I think it's traditional.
JusPassin, and all other men who are trying to convince me that I? don’t need a manly weight bow, please refer to my earlier post about killing deer with a lighter bow. After doing it with light and heavy bows, I? assure you I? prefer the heavier bow
Glenn, I’ve never chrono’ed it yet. But I’m guessing the mid 220’s
I? think the discomfort caused by shooting a stick is is caused by holding the heavier weights at full draw. I’m not a snap shooter. I? can be. But, I’m in the ballpark of three to four seconds at anchor most times. So, what seems to be the problem causer is no let off. FWIW, when I? shoot my compound too much, my bicep and shoulder aches as well. Just not as bad as when shooting a mans stickbow.
I? haven’t shot this one enough to know if it’ll feel better than my compound. Dave presented me with it on a Tuesday night, the pics you’ve seen came the following morning I? didn’t even hunt that morning. As you can see, many of us didn’t trying to learn this new bow. It didn’t take long for us to all get dialed in. Don’t let lost arrow fool you. Everyone who shot it agreed it was the fastest, best pointing trad bow they had ever shot. I? had to agree. I? shot it 25 or so times on Wednesday and killed a nice 7 point with it on Friday. I’m impressed with it. And, the more I? think about, the more convinced I? am that this year as trad gets.
This dang phone. It keeps putting a question mark behind every “I?” I? type. It shows up as a square when I? type too. But changes to an I? with a question mark behind it after posting.
Also, the last part of my last sentence, in my last post was supposed to read “trad as trad gets”. Not the dumb auto correct version it put in there.
FWIW, I? have talked with the bowyer about getting everyone to chime in with a name for this design. I’ve beaten around a few but, he wants me to name it and, I? want a real good name too, before he starts manufacturing this line up. So, what do you think?
Justin, I know it matters to you so look at the bow. Hand made by a talented bowyer. All wooden components, hand sanded and finished. Don't get more traditional than that. It's much, much more trad than some of these weird machined risers.
It is Trad Dave. No doubt. I can't see where anyone can say the ilf and converted compound riser bows are trad and, not say the same thing about this one since it is all wood.
Tradmt, the mechanical advantage comes from the squeels. But, all things that produce that advantage are natural material. including the string. That is why it is traditional bow all the way through. No carbon, no glass, noaluminum cams, no metal limb bolts, etc......
I think I have come up with a name that the bowyer will really appreciate. "LONGPOUND"
charley, you can bet its real. It is 1 for 1 on deer. I'll post a pic and story tomorrow of the 7 point I killed with it. Only complaint I have is a quiver on the bow leads to torque for me if I'm not careful. So, my shooting coach, stickbow21, loaned me a back quiver to actually hunt with. I'm not a grip shooter. I let a bow settle where it is at full draw. However, with this bow, the weight of that quiver just caused it to twist. Forcing me to shoot with a grip on the bow. So, I went with the back quiver instead.
Maybe I can work through that in time. Or try a different quiver. Time will tell. It's the only non perfect thing about the bow for me. I suspect a different bow quiver will fix it though
WV. I know what you are going through. I have a bow hand pain in my wrist, thumb knuckle. If i am going to shoot my recurve, i just got to make sure i have already took a leak before hand. I have been to Dr.s, chiro's. The chiropractor is helping it quite a bit. I have been using my C-pound mostly, and have taken out the recurve also. It's tough hunting with a bow, that's not, what's in your heart. I am down to 40#, and if i hold at anchor, then release, the pain is terrible. But, if i snap shoot it, it doesn't hurt as bad. Like my Uncle once said to me, "This, getting old stuff, ain't for sissy's";^). I know what he was talking about now. If that bow gets you out, and you like it, go for it. Good Luck to you.
The Groves conversion was the first thing I thought of after thinking that bow is the crappiest I've ever seen! It would take more than a sore shoulder to ever get me to be seen with the pile of garbage! My 45 pound Grail would blow smoke around that thing- both in beauty and performance! I vote to send that thing to RymanCat and be done with it!
After seein the beating Justin took last year for having to switch back to a compound, I thought I'd try to help the guy out. He's a big burly guy, but he's still sensitive. When his traditional brothers turned on him for having to change for a year or so, it hurt him, as he loves his trad bows & the people that shoot them. My name is Dave Yoder, and as many of you have already guessed from it, I'm Korean, my middle name is actually Lon-whang. As is the tradition in my family for the first son of every son to have it for a first or second name. I have a Lon- whang, but my younger brother doesn't, he's always been bitter about that, but that's life. Anyways, being Korean, I have a history rich in archery, and I will need it to make a special bow for Justin. The design had to be something special, something similar to what he was used to, as well as something that would be accepted by all, even the -all wood- guys like Durnell, Krewson Pappy, etc... The Christian's among us are well aware of Adam shooting a longbow. When he sent Eve to get him a target, she picked an apple....well we all know how that turned out, but the point is, the longbow, being the most basic / traditional design would be the basis for Justin's bow. So how to get a mechanical advantage at full draw?? Wheels were the obvious answer, but no, not traditional. I needed a design the pre-dated the wheel.....eureka!!! Not only would I think outside the box, I'd use the box in the design! Thats where sqwheels were born. With the string pulling 90 degrees to itself, it would have to cut down on the hold weight. I had some miscellaneous wood from my homeland laying around. I don't recall their names, but are similar to cherry, ash & hickory found here in the states. I used a reflex-deflex design for the bow, and through trial & error I found the right size sqwheel to work with his draw. Shaped the grip similar to his Maddog, but altered it slightly to work with his limp wristed shooting style. Now down to the string. I contacted a buddy of mine & he would be happy to make me one. But the more I thought about it, I wanted to make one from natural materials, since other than glue & 4 pins, the bow was all wood. I knew cat intestines have been used for violins in the past, so that's what I thought I'd try. I drive back roads everyday for my job, so I kept an eye out for roadkill, as I don't have the heart to kill one, nothin. My brother n law, being an over the road truck driver, knew what I was looking for, he called me one day with good news. He was pulled over along the side of the road, along RT 90 near Austin, Minnesota. Seems there was the front half of a carbon arrow stuck in a dead cat, with what appeared to be deer hair on the shaft. It would be interesting to know the story behind that one. So the cat was repurposed, I had a string, brother n law got a grizzly head, win / win. The bow was finished up and presented to Justin at camp. He seemed tickled with it & seemed to shoot it well. That helped overcome the looks, which I admit, is strange at first. His only complaint was it seemed to have a strange smell to it at full draw, that was just- new bow smell, I explained, it'll fade over time. The rest you all have seen here. It's doubtful I'll build another, as I prefer my longbows, and I don't take criticism well, one guy calling it a piece of sh*t. It was fun to build, and fun to help a brother out.
Longbowdave, glad to see you're ok. Correct me if I'm wrong. As far as the so called mechanical advantage goes, I think it goes to the shooter. Without one of those speedometer things to shoot thru, I don't think the bow is any faster than any well designed r/d longbow @56 #.
Dave, I applaud you for setting the record straight. I also mourn in my heart that you have decided against marketing these things. I know they and you both have a lot to offer the traditional community. But, I understand your feelings and am just happy I got my longpound.
As promised. The story of the hunt.
Friday morning was cold. The temp was somewhere in the low 20’s. But, the humidity was high with the aaproachi g snow storm. We left camp early as the hike is long. I departed the trail about the 2 mile mark and ascended the mountain to a ground blind. I arrived well before daylight to wait.
As day light came, so did the feelings that accompany it. The feelings only a true hunter knows. I’m not talking about a rifle or compound hunter. I’m talking about the ground dwelling, back quiver toting, traditional hunter feels. “ Will the deer come close enough? Will I hold true to spirit and bow to lethally harvest my prize? Am I going to be able to pull this off without being seen?” Etc... those were just a few of my thoughts as I lay in ambush.
About 8:30 I began to see deer. All were out of range. But, I was seeing deer. That’s what counts. Along about 11:30, I saw another deer. I could see his modest rack in the sun. Even at 120 yards. I gave him a couple grunts to try and pull him my way. He obliged by coming to 41 yards. He wouldn’t come any closer. So, I drew, anchored, burned a hole, and the next thing you know, the arrow was gone. It’s all a blur really. Next thing I know I hear the certain impact of my arrow. The deers reaction was one typical of a good shot. Head low death charge out of sight. Then, all was quite.
I waited a while and took up the track. He traveled 68 yards from the shot. Best of all, we ate his heart the following night. Killers we are. Pure, cold blooded, killing machines. Regardless if it’s a compound or trad bow like the longpound.
I want to say thank you to Dave for building this bow. Thank you to stickbiw21 for being my shooting coach. Thank you to all my friends here who have supported me through this. I really didn’t know how I was going to go on not being a traditional archer any more. Now I don’t have to worry about that. And, I want to thank all my camp members for listening to me cry and moan about my prior situation. Pic of the beast to follow.
Your friend did a nice job and put a lot of thought in that bow. The Frankenbow gets my vote. Or maybe the Square wheel. I like it. Whether it is 40# or 70#, 30 caliber or 20 caliber, 12 guage or 20 guage. It's the person out hunting that harvest the deer. Good luck
Justin, A meeting takes place in a company owner's office. Present are two designers, three engineers, an alloy expert, a machine shop owner, a powder coating expert and several other manufacturing experts. A few months later,space age risers are popping off the assembly line like popcorn. Yankee Doodle Davey designs and hand builds a wooden longbow, though somewhat unusual, in his crappy little shop in Pennsylvania. Which is more traditional? No need for you to worry if your bow is trad or not.
I agree Dave. It’s as traditional as any other grad bow made. Handmade, right here in the good ole USA. By a Korean American. With Korean wood that resembles American Hardwood. Far better than any trad tech or ILF bow made. Any where.
LOL! I don't care who's feelings I've hurt! Anyone who builds a bow with square wheels, for a wounded friend or not, should be thrown into the same camp with lefties and excommunicated from the bowhunting fraternity. Plus, said square-wheeled bow should be burned at the stake! Imagine riding a bike with square wheels. Enough said.
Is this all wood compound bow left strung all of the time? If so, what will prevent it from taking a set over time. Most folks on here, if not all, unstring their self bows when they are done shooting. One thing for sure, when you go to bed at night and get up in the morning you are still going to have a compound bow, no matter what you call it. bvd
It's a trad bow. Not a compound. A compound has wheels. This one has squeels. A compound is made form aluminum, carbon, and a sort of other things. This one is made from 4 small metal dowels, glue, and wood. I understand this bow isn't for everyone. But, it is a trad bow.
Craig, It is ugly kinda. But, it's a killer. It sorta reminds me of me. I'm not interested on what the high fluting archery rules say either because a good bit of their classes aren't traditional anyways.
Actually, this device produces 4 speed bumps at release, as the square wheels turn. This creates a slingshot effect that should increase speed and smooth out arrow flight. I'd rank it about equal to the average Widda.
Only two Joe. The first if right at the millisecond the string is released. The second comes right before the squeels return to him. It truly does give the bow a slingshot release.
It’s all in the Squeels. It can be timed for the slingshot motions based on draw length. Had I a long draw, I could get three bumps in trajectory instead of two. It really is a superior design that brings new life to a trad bow.
There may be other shapes that may work better for different draws. A triangle for instance, would have longer sides, but would have a more violent "cam" effect. I really didn't realize I had thing for shapes, until my grandsons were born last year. They have those ball things that you put the plastic shapes in, I can beat them easily at putting the pieces in. With some guys it's numbers, me? I like shapes...
So, I'm sitting here, writing out a check for my credit card, and I see a PM Message from "longbowdave"!
YAY! Kinda like getting a phone call from someone ya haven't heard from for a while, other than a creditor. Anyhow, longbowdave and my acquaintance go back, oh, maybe 5 or so years, to Denton, then to Pine Hill last year.
At Pine Hill, he made this breakfast entity that was interestingly tasty. And, I think our crew gave him a beverage or two. The breakfast entity had some mushrooms, and after eating it/them, well, things got hazy, and I don't quite remember much...other than singing "Inna Gadda DaVida"...backwards...
ANYHOW: I would be grandly honored to have an inventionous bow from longbowdave. He is a man of great integrity, of ingenuity, of the most upstanding kind within his family, though I must admit his accent is a bit tough to understand. But he does use hand gestures a lot, which ultimately makes the point.
And the point of this post is that: folks, it's December 7, 2017. THe Leatherwall is a place I check into every day, if even just to peruse the topics for a moment or two. Sometimes, the threads are point on, so to speak. Sometimes, the information given out by the thread is incredible stuff. And sometimes, the intent is to make people smile.
I'm smiling after reading all the posts, and I'm quite glad to see the names of folks I haven't heard from for a while. This thread has brought us together; let's smile about it, shake our heads, and see what the true intent is!
Boy oh boy, I wish I were at that hunting camp, when this was all created.
By any chance, WV Mountaineer, longbowdave didn't make that mushroomy breakfast, did he??!!
Longbowdave, could you or would you get me enough cat gut to make a string for my longbow. I really liked it when I shot Justin's bow. I know me and you have issues. I knew that when you gave everyone in camp one of your neat arrow holders except me. Remember I'm the one who waited 3 hours in a freezing rain at the trailhead to carry your stuff up to camp. You owe me. Secondly, not sure where Austin is on I - 90 but I have traveled I - 35 fo Owatonna Minn. and traveled I - 90 west from Albert Lea. Does seam to be a large cat population. I can imagine a lot of them getting run over but to find one with the front part of an arrow in it is most puzzling. How many bow strings can you get from one cat?
Harry Carry, This year Dave made lemon-blueberry Pancakes several times for breakfast. H smoked a turkey for thanksgiving with sides. Come to think of it, it did seem like those days h made breakfast just flew by in a confusing blur. Otherwise, he is a superior cook.
I'm sure it depends on cat size, but there's enough for several normal bow strings I'd say. It's work cleaning, drying & stretching, but I can try to hook you up if the right donor comes along. You seemed more interested in baconators than arrow holders, or I'd have given you mine. Next time I make some up, I'll do one up special for you. I just got a bedazzler, so I'll put some shiny stuff on it for ya
"So, do you guys think this here trad how can handle the sexier, kill'em deader heads like rage? Seems maybe the mechanical advantage of this bow may develop greater energy?"
It most certainly generates more energy than any plain trad bow. Korean Dave and lost arrw are being modest. This thing smokes an arrow. I shot completely through that deer at 41 yards. Most here shot the at 7 yards and don't get pass through's with their trad bows. What's that tell you?
A good traditional bow, even an ILF rig will blow that wooden pulley bow out of the water. You can't hold 50#? So what, hold 40#. When my mentor who always shot 60#+ was getting too weak because of all the cancer medication they gave him and this stuff was really eating away on him together with the cancer, his 38# recurve which I set up with heavy arrows and good FOC killed him his last 3 deer before he died before the next year's deer season. This combination was doing just fine and was "traditional to the bone". For my mentors grandson, I just put together a training bow he will shoot for a while and going up in # before he can shoot his two inherited 55# bows. A 17" ILF wood riser for $160 and the Galaxy foam/glass limbs in medium for $120. This bow pulls around 40# @28" and will be shot with 1916 aluminums at around 12 grain/#. I have no doubt that this combination will kill any deer from Florida to Alaska if used with a good 2 balde broadhead with a thick blade, like a silverflame etc. The thicker blades give good blood trails in comparison to the thin 2 blades. If you would loose your middlefinger and your ring finger on your draw hand, would you use a mechanical release or change to a thumb ring? And in all honesty, I would give you more flack for using this wooden sqheel bow than a real compound. And I despise compounds.
And the following sentence: I shot completely through this deer at 41 yards tells me, that you have not gotten rid of the compound mindset at all. And now tell me why a 40# at 18 yards is unethical in comparison to this sqhueel bow at 41 yards?? This thing is not even close to "trad to the bone". For me it is "wanna be trad to the bone, but don't want the limitations of traditional equipment".
According to catfancy.com, they classify 72 different breeds of domestic cats.
Depending on environments, food source, and breeding the usual amount of “cat- gut” retrieved and processed will yield 45 feet of material which after dried will make two solid bow strings or 4 complete violins.
Now as for cat whiskers. Absolutely. Put those on your string and you can find your way around in the dark.
Good info Stickbow 21, hope Frisky checks in. He probably has a cat to pass away occasionally. Maybe the species isn't to important. The diameter of the string on Justin's bow was a good nock fit without serving. Felt good on bare fingers.
I meant 41 yards Craig. My mind doesnt limit my traditional abilities. Nor does my bow. When i shot a normal stickbow, i routinely killed things that far too.
Good info Mark. You are not only a superb archery coach, you are a scholar of all things. I should have expected your investigation i to that matter After seeing the superior atrributes of the string material.
Frisky Joe, i am not cross eyed. I have a lazy eye. There is a difference.
Korean Dave, tell your brother in law to be very observant when going through frisky neck of the woods again. We need more string.
I almost forgot. Tecum, thats great. I aplore you for being a good friend. However, trying to compare an i ferior bow to my new trad bow is being a bit u realistic. This thing is going to rewrite the history books. Shoots hard and fast. Is quite too. And, it dies it all with traditional material. You talk of your glass foam limbs etc.... im hunting with a bow thats all wood minus 4 itty bitty metals rivets. With wood arrows too. No aluminuim crap meant to replace traditional materials. So, this bow is more trad than anything you got. Trad to the bone.
Justin, first I need to say I still don't think your bow is any faster than any other fast r/d longbow. Why don't you take it to one of the shops and shoot it thru one of those speed things? Secondly, when applied to the GADTARE guide lines your bow is definitely traditional. Putting Chrysler hub caps on a Plymouth doesn't make it a Chrysler. Putting squeals on a wooden longbow doesn't make it a compound.
Well, that ain't something you see everyday, "square cam, longbow"? What everworks for you, what's the let off?
(my $.02 on the draw weight issue: it's not all about the poundage, rather the limb design. For instance, take a 66" long, 50# self bow. It will not preform as well as a 66" long, 45# laminated D/R bow that has had attention to detail put into the limb design. Because the self bow has more mass throughout the limbs. Same can be said between two laminated longbows, it's all about the design, the one with less mass and better recovery in the limb material/design will perform better than one of higher draw weight without the attention to detail. Additionally, we need to take modern low stretch string material into consideration as well. But if the a guy's conscience is keeping him from hunting with a bow under 50# then he needs to do what he's at peace with doing)
Mike, the sequels do most of the work. There is some limb flex at full draw but it is very minimal. Let off is somewhere around 90% I’m guessing. I chrono’ed it this past weekend. It shot a 5 shot average of 214 fps with a 590 grain arrow. It’s a smoker.
Longbowdave, if you drive through Greensburg on your way to next year's camp, with the sqarrows riding shotgun in your Landrover Series 1, please let me know. I have an incantation that I could bestow upon them, fair and square. Trust me.
I don't believe this malarkey any longer! At first I was mildly interested considering all my ailments of the past few years limiting my shooting.....now I believe this is just one big scam! I am currently considering a Mathews Genesis! And I've never owned a bow with wheels! I draw the line at bows with gunstocks....I have guns.
Why SB: Do you seriously believe that Korean Dave, lost arrow, stickbow21, and myself would pull anyone’s leg? We are dedicated traditional bow hunters. It is our interest to help our brothers of the stick. Not build them up with false hope. I’m almost appalled that anyone would assume different. Good grief.
In order to post a video, I'm under the understanding you must have a host. Like you tube, Vimeo, etc... I do not have the know how to do such things. Nor do my fellow traditional camp mate's. We are traditional bowhunters. Not computer science majors.
What exactly do you want to see? Me killing a deer with it? You have already seen that. I'm not sure what this questioning has to do with this bow. This bow is soon to bypass the Legend's in notoriety. Because it is an ICON. Not a pesky wannabe Legend. But, an ICON. Don't doubt it.