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Rose Oak Wildcat vs Super Wildcat?

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Clovis6 30-Nov-17
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Joey Ward 30-Nov-17
KDdog 30-Nov-17
Lowcountry 30-Nov-17
RymanCat 30-Nov-17
SB 30-Nov-17
Clovis6 30-Nov-17
ca 30-Nov-17
The Lost Mohican 01-Dec-17
texking 01-Dec-17
jimreed 01-Dec-17
SJJ 01-Dec-17
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grizzley21 01-Dec-17
Mountain Man 01-Dec-17
TexKing 02-Dec-17
ca 02-Dec-17
vintage-bears 02-Dec-17
buddyb 02-Dec-17
Lowcountry 02-Dec-17
Recurve Crafter ™ 02-Dec-17
stagetek 02-Dec-17
twigflicker 02-Dec-17
Clovis6 04-Dec-17
Smokin Joe 04-Dec-17
Wojo14 04-Dec-17
KDdog 07-Dec-17
Renewed Archer 07-Dec-17
Ollie 07-Dec-17
Clovis6 16-Feb-18
Smokin Joe 16-Feb-18
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KDdog 16-Feb-18
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Yellow Dog 16-Feb-18
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KDdog 17-Feb-18
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Gator1 17-Feb-18
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KDdog 17-Feb-18
Clovis6 17-Feb-18
Keefers 21-Jun-18
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Renewed Archer 22-Jun-18
KDdog 22-Jun-18
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crunch 23-Jun-18
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del of logan 24-Jun-18
Clovis6 14-Jul-18
Nemophilist 16-Jul-18
From: Clovis6
Date: 30-Nov-17




I have recently started looking for used Rose Oak Creations recurves on the classifieds. What is the difference between the Wildcat and the Super Wildcat. Are they the same bow only different levels of "fancy"? Saw a reference somewhere to the Super Wildcat being a new name for the old Puma. Brandon has pretty much shut down his old website so it's hard to get accurate information about his bows.

From: RymanCat
Date: 30-Nov-17




If its a Rose Oaks no matter which model they are all great.

From: Shifty
Date: 30-Nov-17




That bottom bow looks a lot like my Deathmaster.

From: Lowcountry
Date: 30-Nov-17




Brandon hasn't shut down his site, it just doesn't get much traffic anymore. If you post over there he will answer you, or you can PM him here. I think he uses "Recurve Crafter" as a handle on here.

From: Recurve Crafter ™ Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 30-Nov-17




I think he's referring to my Rose Oak Creations website (not Trad Archers.com).

There's not much bow info on my Rose Oak site anymore, and I'm going to officially close down the bow business at the end of this year.

I just haven't had much spare time over the past several months to make any bows, and I decided that I shouldn't be selling anymore of them to the general public if I'm not able to provide decent and reliable customer service. It's time to wrap things up.

I might update the Rose Oak website with a some images of bows that I've made from 2005 to 2017 as a final tribute to my professional bow making career, but I won't be using the website to sell anymore bows in the future.

In regards to the Wildcat versus the Super Wildcat, the "Wildcat" was a name I used for a variety of different designed 3 pc. TD recurves from about 2005 to 2009.

The Super Wildcat was a one piece recurve (60" and 64") that I started offering in 2009, and I only offered it for a few years.

It's design was inspired by the Super Kodiak (one of my personal favorites) although it's not just a "copy".

It was basically my take on a classic.

The two bows look very similar at a passing glance, but side by side they are different designs.

The Super Wildcat is more refined and elegant in design and shape than a Super Kodiak.

It is absolutely of the finest one piece recurves that I've ever made.

There are less than 40 in circulation, so there aren't very many of them, but they do pop up for sale every once in a while.

From: Recurve Crafter ™ Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 30-Nov-17

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Here are some of the different "Wildcat" TD's that were made.

I monkeyed around with, and changed the design a lot until I finally realized that I really don't care for 3 piece TD recurves...lol

I stopped making and offering 3 piece TD's altogether for several years (from about 2010 to 2015).

Then I designed the "Heritage" TD and offered them until I stopped taking custom orders in the spring of last year.

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Date: 30-Nov-17

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Here are some of my Super Wildcats...

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From: Arcobsessed
Date: 30-Nov-17




What beautiful bows. Thanks for sharing these pictures. You are a true craftsman!

From: Kenscollick Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 30-Nov-17




Brandon the super Wildcat in your 5th. post is one of my favorite bows. Thanks for your generosity to the PBS. PS It didn't come cheap.

From: Recurve Crafter ™ Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 30-Nov-17




Thank you Ken.

I was happy to help contribute to the cause, and I hope you enjoy the bow for many years to come.

Honestly, I couldn't hardly believe what that bow auctioned off for.

It was certainly more than I ever expected one of my bows to bring.

Kind regards.

From: Joey Ward
Date: 30-Nov-17




Man that’s some pretty bows!

From: KDdog
Date: 30-Nov-17




X2 Rymancat. I own a set of Brandon's TD limbs, and just picked up the last Ace. Thank you Brandon , simply amazing .

From: Lowcountry
Date: 30-Nov-17




Beautiful bows for sure. Wish I had one - ANY one. I shot his Heritage for a week during a pass around, and it was awesome.

There was a LH Wildcat or Super Wildcat for sale for a long time in the classifieds on Brandon's Trad Archers.net site. Actually, it is still there, but the pics are not showing up anymore. Looked like a great price too.

From: RymanCat
Date: 30-Nov-17




Brandon can really refinish also he is a true craftsman. I have several of his bows.

From: SB
Date: 30-Nov-17




Being a Super Kodiak junky.....Any of those Super Wildcats would be to die for! WOW! Hate to see Brandon getting out of the business.

From: Clovis6
Date: 30-Nov-17




Brandon - thanks for sharing the pictures and details about the bow styles. I have an Ace and a Primal Instinct and now that I know the background of the Super Wildcat I'm definitely going to have to find someone willing to part with one. Have always been a one-piece guy but recently have been reading so many good things about the Heritage I thought I'd try to find one or a nice Wildcat. Thanks for your contributions to the world of traditional archery. You've made some truly special bows. Bob

From: ca
Date: 30-Nov-17




His workmanship is top only a handfull of bows I had are in the same high end grade.

From: The Lost Mohican
Date: 01-Dec-17




Stunning bows especially the black one piece models. They all are works of art. Was there a review done with chronographl numbers on the super wildcat? TLM

From: texking
Date: 01-Dec-17




Brandon, I think the the entire community would agree that we have been blessed by your contributions, and disappointed in your decision to suspend(I won't acknowledge retirement!) your art. I also am fortunate to own a couple of your bows, and consider them true investments. Thanks again!

From: jimreed
Date: 01-Dec-17




Brandon, How many wildcat TD bow did you make?

From: SJJ
Date: 01-Dec-17




Beautiful

From: Recurve Crafter ™ Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 01-Dec-17




Thanks everyone. Much appreciated.

From: Recurve Crafter ™ Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 01-Dec-17




"Brandon, How many wildcat TD bow did you make?"

I don't recall an exact number, but not very many.

I can't refer to my older bow build records for an accurate number at the moment because most of them are packed up and stored away.

The several variations of the Wildcat TD design were so different that most people wouldn't realize that they were all Wildcat TD's until they saw the model name on the bow.

I probably should have renamed it each time I changed the design, but I was lazy and didn't feel like coming up with a new model name each time...lol

I offered two other 3 pc TD's after the Wildcat TD was discontinued.

One was the Prowler TD, and the other was the Heritage TD.

Either one of those would be my personal pick over a Wildcat TD.

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Date: 01-Dec-17

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A few Prowler TD's...

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From: KyPhil
Date: 01-Dec-17




Man I really like that one and your are true master craftsman! Maybe someday you will start building again.

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Date: 01-Dec-17

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And the crème de la crème of 3 pc TD's, the Heritage TD...

From: cacciatore Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 01-Dec-17




I am lucky to have 4 set of Brandon’s Bear TD limbs, the best I have ever shot. Thanks Brandon for what you have made for the sport.

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Date: 01-Dec-17

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From: grizzley21 Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 01-Dec-17




the lefty above this,, I have it, a very nice bow. plus I have one of the last wildcats also...

From: Mountain Man
Date: 01-Dec-17

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Im not a recurve shooter per say but brother id buy tjis!

From: TexKing
Date: 02-Dec-17




Say Brandon since we have you here, what BH would you suggest for the Heritage?

From: ca
Date: 02-Dec-17




I am sure he will be offering some more bows in the future.He is so talented he wont quit forever.

From: vintage-bears
Date: 02-Dec-17




Imho Brandon is Hands down the Michaelangelo of bow makers. True Works of art and boy do they shoot an arrow!

From: buddyb
Date: 02-Dec-17




Great pics of your bows Brandon.

From: Lowcountry
Date: 02-Dec-17

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It doesn't get any better than that right there...

From: Recurve Crafter ™ Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 02-Dec-17




"Say Brandon since we have you here, what BH would you suggest for the Heritage?"

About 7.5" from what I recall.

From: stagetek Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 02-Dec-17




The Heritage I have is a beautiful bow. Of the bows I own, there's about 1/2 dozen I would "never" part with. My Heritage is one of them.

From: twigflicker Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 02-Dec-17




I love the lines of that Prowler... curved limb beds... sweet...

Thanks for your contribution to the archery community Brandon...

Jonathan

From: Clovis6
Date: 04-Dec-17




As crazy as it sounds, if anyone does have a Super Wildcat in the high-50’s that they would be willing to part with, please let me know.

From: Smokin Joe Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 04-Dec-17




If you can get your hands on a Rose Oak bow, or on Rose Oak limbs for a Bear TD -- well, just do it. I have had 3 and shot others and the Rose Oak is the best recurve I have ever shot or looked at. Brandon's bows are the best, and his craft in building them is as perfect as any I have ever seen.

I am on my way to the classifieds to see if there is one in my draw weight.

From: Wojo14
Date: 04-Dec-17




I had a pair of limbs for my A Mag take down.....should have never sold them! By far the best limbs I ever shot on a recurve! I would love to get my hands on one of Brandons bows someday! ~Wojo

From: KDdog
Date: 07-Dec-17




What about wildcats vs ultra delights vs the ace? Which do you guys prefer the best? What's your favorite Brandon? And what's your new site? Trad archers. Com? Hard to pick a favorite with them all being so amazing. Right now, for me, I'm leaning towards the ultra delight, and your bear TD limbs.

From: Renewed Archer
Date: 07-Dec-17




Why do some of the best bowyers stop making bows?

From: Ollie Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 07-Dec-17




Why do some of the best bowyers stop making bows?

(1) Despite what some people think, most bowyers do not make a lot of money doing this. Exotic woods are very expensive. It takes many hours of labor to produce a finished product. Advertisement in major magazines is expensive. There is no pension program or company-provided health care. (2) Health. Working with band saws and high speed belt sanders is an accident waiting to happen. The dust of some exotic woods is toxic. Breathing wood dust is not healthy, although nearly all bowyers use masks when working. Finishing sprays often utilize harmful solvents. Minor nicks and cuts are to be expected.

Hopefully, Brandon will decide at some point in time to return to bowyering. He is very talented and makes very good bows.

From: Clovis6
Date: 16-Feb-18




Still looking for a Super Wildcat someone might be willing to part with. 45-55# range. Bob, text 202-360-7885

From: Smokin Joe Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 16-Feb-18




In my opinion, the best recurves I ever had, handled and shot. Good luck in the future Brandon. Sure wish you were still making Bear TD limbs or complete bows. Amazing craftsmanship, value and quality.

From: Corson2010
Date: 16-Feb-18




That zebrawood/phenolic and zebra/rosewood? Bot are spectacular! Makes me wanna buy one! Amazing work sir!

From: Gator1
Date: 16-Feb-18




I wish Brandon was making the ACE. I’d be first in line.

Recently picked up 2.

Great design and craftsmanship

From: KDdog
Date: 16-Feb-18




I'd love to see those Gator1 awesome bows

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Date: 16-Feb-18

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From: Gator1
Date: 16-Feb-18




The other is all bocote with ebony ibeam. Even though my shoulders are going bad I won’t get rid of either will pass them in to my 13 year old daughter. Both 45lbs.

Thank you Brandon. ??

Sorry about the rotation

From: camodave
Date: 16-Feb-18




I think it is a real tribute to Brandon that, after I changed my mind enough times that I cannot remember the different bows or limbs I ordered, he still built me the first production 63 inch ACE. Thank you Brandon and all the best in the future. I understand completely why you are no longer building bows.

DDave

From: Gator1
Date: 16-Feb-18




Dave

It’s guys like us that drive a bowyer crazy. ??

From: Yellow Dog Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 16-Feb-18

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Ace #19 and #29. Primal Instict #6. All 44@28, I draw 30'.

From: Aerofish
Date: 16-Feb-18




Brandon made me a beautiful set of limbs for my Bear TD. Super smooth limbs that are just plain beautiful! Kick myself for not buying a bow.…was thinking I will in the future smh lol

From: Yellow Dog Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 16-Feb-18

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Super Wildcat I sold during a weak moment. 64" 51@30.

From: KDdog
Date: 17-Feb-18




Ouch. That even hurts me Yellow Dog. Friggin gorgeous !

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Date: 17-Feb-18

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What are the lengths of your Ace's Yellow Dog? Just curious. Gator1. That's one sweet bow . Hey Dave , thanks for always steering me in the right direction. And thank you, Mr. Stahl , wish you were still building, glad to have #22, among others. Here's #22 60" #52

From: Gator1
Date: 17-Feb-18




Black stick. Very nice.

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Date: 17-Feb-18

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Here is the bocote ACE with ebony I Beam.

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Date: 17-Feb-18

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From: KDdog
Date: 17-Feb-18




Beautiful

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Date: 17-Feb-18

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One of the last Primal Instinct bows.

From: Keefers
Date: 21-Jun-18

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Thanks to a Master at his craft Brandon Stahl for Ace # 11..Bocote riser with Mac. ebony "I" beam and black limbs. 41#@27"...

From: Recurve Crafter ™ Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 21-Jun-18




Unfortunately, I don't have any spare bows laying around that I'm going to sell.

The bows that are already in circulation will likely be the only ones available.

I truly appreciate the interest in my bows, but I've officially closed my business and I don't have any future plans to resume making them for customers. That chapter of my life has passed.

My bows do pop up for sale every now and then on the used market, so just keep your eye out. You'll eventually find what you're looking for. ;^)

From: Renewed Archer
Date: 22-Jun-18

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I still have that 58" 46# Heritage, purpleheart and... I forget what Brandon said. I was told it's walnut but I was corrected, it's purpleheart and chechen? Looks like that post is gone.

Anyway, I'm surprised no one here has gone for it yet. Maybe I should just keep it. If anyone wants to trade for a different ROC bow or limbs, just let me know!

From: KDdog
Date: 22-Jun-18




Wildcat 64" #52

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Date: 22-Jun-18

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Oops, here she is.

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Date: 22-Jun-18

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This is probably my favorite ROC. And a regular go to 63" #47 UD

From: crunch
Date: 23-Jun-18




A friend of mine has a wildcat. Beautiful to look at and shoots amazing. I've tried to talk him out of it, but he won't sell- ever! And who can blame him, lol.

From: Renewed Archer
Date: 23-Jun-18

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Here's a stunning Ace I was lucky to get. 63", rated 51#@32", it's 42#@28".

From: del of logan
Date: 24-Jun-18

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I think mine is the one that Yellowdog sold. I will probably try to sell it as I have too many bows and don't shoot this one much. But it is nice to look at !!

From: Clovis6
Date: 14-Jul-18

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Have an abundance of riches already (Ace, Primal Instinct, Puma Hunter) but am still looking for someone willing to part with their Super Wildcat or Heritage. See my post over on the classifieds.

From: Nemophilist
Date: 16-Jul-18




Brandon makes a nice bow.





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