Traditional Archery Discussions on the Leatherwall


Overlays begone

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Cameron Root 13-Nov-17
Cameron Root 13-Nov-17
Cameron Root 13-Nov-17
nineworlds9 13-Nov-17
Cameron Root 13-Nov-17
raghorn 13-Nov-17
Cameron Root 13-Nov-17
Cameron Root 13-Nov-17
Jeff Durnell 13-Nov-17
Mountain Man 13-Nov-17
Cameron Root 13-Nov-17
George D. Stout 13-Nov-17
Mountain Man 13-Nov-17
Mountain Man 13-Nov-17
MStyles 13-Nov-17
George D. Stout 13-Nov-17
George D. Stout 13-Nov-17
Cameron Root 13-Nov-17
nineworlds9 13-Nov-17
Elderly OCR 13-Nov-17
Cameron Root 13-Nov-17
newell38 13-Nov-17
Cameron Root 13-Nov-17
Hal9000 14-Nov-17
Bowlim 14-Nov-17
Longcruise 14-Nov-17
Sailor 14-Nov-17
Ihunts2much 14-Nov-17
Bowlim 14-Nov-17
throwback 14-Nov-17
2 bears 14-Nov-17
Longcruise 14-Nov-17
Cameron Root 14-Nov-17
Longcruise 14-Nov-17
From: Cameron Root
Date: 13-Nov-17

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From: Cameron Root
Date: 13-Nov-17

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Rhino

From: Cameron Root
Date: 13-Nov-17

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Happy fACe

From: nineworlds9
Date: 13-Nov-17




Explain? No see tip wedgy? :)

From: Cameron Root
Date: 13-Nov-17




Don't need it. Don't care. Doesn't belong on this type of bow. Ive bedn thinking of doind it for sometime. Seen the same bow without anything . Good nuff done.

From: raghorn
Date: 13-Nov-17




Did removing tip overlays make you happy or did it actually change how the bow shoots??

From: Cameron Root
Date: 13-Nov-17




Yes and no.

From: Cameron Root
Date: 13-Nov-17




I can string it now.

From: Jeff Durnell Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 13-Nov-17




I know they're not always necessary, but that just doesn't look right on a glass bow.

Ya mean you couldn't string with the overlays on it?

From: Mountain Man
Date: 13-Nov-17




It looks good I like some peoples over lays and not others

Im guessing its over 60# and ya mean you can push pull it easyer now

From: Cameron Root
Date: 13-Nov-17




They were well done but does not belong on an Asl. Scales 82#@28 73#@26. It will push pull now without straining my milk. Once I seen one today without wedges or overlays I did it instantly. This bow needs to be refinished anyway as it came plastered in bug spray. I have the same bow and specs on order. Figured the b50 users would flip out. Hoping any way. Rooty

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 13-Nov-17




Nearly all of the entry level, or semi-recurve bows back in the day didn't have them. It was one way for manufacturers to keep costs down. I've owned a bunch of those over the years and they worked just fine. Mostly they are simply decoration, especially on a bow with that deep of a tip.

From: Mountain Man
Date: 13-Nov-17

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HH Wesley special,,,no over lays

From: Mountain Man
Date: 13-Nov-17

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Freeman ASL over lays i like

From: MStyles
Date: 13-Nov-17




My HH Big 5 doesn’t have any tip overlays.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 13-Nov-17




My Carroll's Gentleman Jim recurve has no overlays. It does have tip wedges.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 13-Nov-17




My Carroll's Gentleman Jim recurve has no overlays. It does have tip wedges.

From: Cameron Root
Date: 13-Nov-17




I am okay with tip wedges as they are on most Asl bows. Now when there on recurves that's just awesome. I have a Root, Browing and Jacobson with tip wedges.

From: nineworlds9
Date: 13-Nov-17




Gotcha Rooty! If you're running B50 doubt it will cause any issues. If it makes you love the bow more then bravo.

From: Elderly OCR
Date: 13-Nov-17




Rhino not as in the animal.

From: Cameron Root
Date: 13-Nov-17




Yeah I run b50 material in my tow slings for the jeep. I don't use 5 dollar spool string on bows lol. Rooty

From: newell38
Date: 13-Nov-17

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Rhino is good stuff! Looks good Cameron. Here’s a pic of my ramer without wedges or overlays

From: Cameron Root
Date: 13-Nov-17




Holy that's the second one I've seen today. Rooty

From: Hal9000
Date: 14-Nov-17




ASl's have thicker limb tips and overlays are not needed using the modern string materials with padded loops.... as told to me by Steve Turay himself :)

From: Bowlim
Date: 14-Nov-17




That was Hills original design. I always wonder about the wedges, whether it was a simple way of stiffening the tip action, it doesn't seem all that sensible as a way of reinforcing the tips against string impact.

From: Longcruise
Date: 14-Nov-17




Tip wedges are for performance. That's performance in the very broad sense of the word. It's not necessarily needed or desirable on all ASLs. It's the bowyer's call as to whether or not they will be needed or beneficial on a given design.

I put tip overlays on mine because the tips are very narrow. Sometimes there is not enough width to support functional string nocks cut into the side of the limb. The working part of the nock is cut over the top of the overlay.

I don't claim that my way of doing things is better than others, it's just my way. Some folks like it and some don't. Cameron likes his "old school" and it has a certain trad aesthetic that he and many other ASL afficianados like.

From: Sailor
Date: 14-Nov-17




My NM Classic has no overlays or wedges. I like it better with no overlays but I like to look of wedges.

From: Ihunts2much
Date: 14-Nov-17




I had a sweet shooting Dave Johnson longbow many years ago. Fiberglass split and lifted on the back at the string nock...I wished it had tip overlays. Sure you don't need them?

From: Bowlim
Date: 14-Nov-17




"Tip wedges are for performance. That's performance in the very broad sense of the word. It's not necessarily needed or desirable on all ASLs."

How does it improve performance?

From: throwback
Date: 14-Nov-17




Looks good from here, Rooty.

From: 2 bears
Date: 14-Nov-17




No overlays on my hill but I think they are purty. I may had some antler or buffalo horn to it. >>>----> Ken

From: Longcruise
Date: 14-Nov-17




"How does it improve performance?"

The primary performance benefit is to manage string angle and therefore stacking. It's to stiffen the tip, reduce travel at the tip (thus string angle) and to move the bend more towards mid limb.

One use performance wise is to increase the draw length of a bow that might begin to stack at xx draw length and a draw length of xx+ is desired. The same problem can be solved by increasing limb length.

Another use is to increase preload at brace which will translate to just a bit more energy under the FD curve.

A bow that tends to be a bit whip tipped but otherwise a good performer can be improved in all the above ways by adding a tip wedge.

It's not the only way of doing things but its one way.

From: Cameron Root
Date: 14-Nov-17

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Chopping tonight. I like it better. Rooty

From: Longcruise
Date: 14-Nov-17




:^)





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