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What would you rather track

Messages posted to thread:
jerry 10-Nov-17
LBshooter 10-Nov-17
Stan 10-Nov-17
Babysaph 10-Nov-17
Mountain Man 10-Nov-17
RD 10-Nov-17
rick allison 10-Nov-17
Bowguy 10-Nov-17
Bowguy 10-Nov-17
bradsmith2010santafe 10-Nov-17
GF 10-Nov-17
ground hunter 10-Nov-17
Jon Stewart 10-Nov-17
deerhunt51 11-Nov-17
RymanCat 11-Nov-17
warden415 11-Nov-17
bradsmith2010santafe 11-Nov-17
From: jerry Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 10-Nov-17

What is easier to track, a stomach wound or a single lung hit. Also which is more leathal.

From: LBshooter
Date: 10-Nov-17

I've heard of one lung hit animals survive. Gut shot us leathal if you give them time and generally ho to water, so I'll take a stomach hit.

From: Stan
Date: 10-Nov-17

Man, you paint a pretty I would take a single lung hit.. Stomach hit, ruins meat, more painful, horrible.. Tracking a single lung hit correctly, would be much easier on the both of us..

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 10-Nov-17

How does anyone know they got one lung if deer survived?

From: Mountain Man
Date: 10-Nov-17


Better chance of better death,,if there is such a thing Ive seen gut shot deer,,,,we tracked a gut shot doe for a $&@?;:! Someone brought to deer camp once The track told the store,,,and i wouldnt wish that death on my worst enemy

From: RD
Date: 10-Nov-17

A gut shot deer is a DEAD deer! After 53 years I learned a long time ago that handled correctly you will find them. First thing is to not track for at least 6 hours or overnight if the weather is cold enough. One lung deer can live, I've had cases where one lungers have been shot later in the season. I've also saw one lungers die in as little as 400 yars. Each situation is different, experience will tell you what to do.

From: rick allison
Date: 10-Nov-17

Years ago I read a report on hunting mortality put out by,I believe, the University of Minnesota.

They had a large controlled area and shot deer about every way imaginable. On archery one lung hits, some did survive...others expired fairly quick, and others...not so much.

I can't imagine a study like thay flying in today's world!

From: Bowguy Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 10-Nov-17

They both are not good. One lung shot deer are 50-50 dead. Intestines always dead. Also paunch shot deer if not pushed don't go very far. One lung hit deer can travel. Now far as the deer is concerned, if a paunch shot deer is dead in a buncha hours and that seems mean. What about the one lung shot survivors. It's a lot longer than paunch hit. My recommendation is shoot where you're positive you can double lung them and save grief for all

From: Bowguy Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 10-Nov-17

To answer Babysaph, you'd be using guess work for sure. Say you're at an extreme angle, you can surmise a one lung hit from air bubbles in blood. Also you'd see the same obviously in both lungs. The exception comes when you track and do not recover deer. Both lungs shot is a pretty short recovery and if you can track almost a guaranteed recovery, often watching deer expire in sight if you have a view. One lung shot deer very often keep going.

From: bradsmith2010santafe
Date: 10-Nov-17

if I had my dog,, I would rather track the paunch shot,,as stated if not pushed usually wont go far,,

From: GF
Date: 10-Nov-17

The single-lung hit is at least somewhat survivable, because the wound won’t necessarily go septic. Gut shot is going to go septic, and from that perspective, I would say the single lung would cause a good deal less suffering, whether the animal makes it or not.

Maybe 4nolz will have a different perspective?

Of the two, I guess I would rather follow up on the one-lung because I would rather not ever be responsible for a gut-shot animal. I’ve gotten into that mess twice and want no more part of it. Also better chances of some blood to follow and better chance that the animal would expire sooner, rather than later.

I’d guess that a lung-shot deer that survives 2 hours is probably going to make it, as long as no gut is involved; by then the bleeding should have stopped - whether because the blood pressure is too low to push through the spaces where the clots are forming or it’s high enough for the deer to have run out.

So that way, if you can give it 4 hours... on a lung-shot, you should have a pretty definitive result. A gut-shot deer may not have lost much blood (relatively speaking) and might not be feeling all that sick yet. Which would be a real mess...

From: ground hunter
Date: 10-Nov-17

a gut shot deer is a dead deer,,,, just like a 22 in a wolfs gut, it will fester and kill it

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 10-Nov-17

Our camp rule before we start to track.

Gut shot deer = 8 hours, let them lay down and die.

Other hits = 2 hour wait.

Crashed deer = go get em and gut em.

From: deerhunt51
Date: 11-Nov-17

Neither, there is no real excuse for bad hits. Yes they can and do happen, but you can up your odds by only taking hi percentage shots at calm deer within your comfort range.

From: RymanCat
Date: 11-Nov-17

Nothing is either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Each arrowed animal is different and if you arrowed enough animals you would understand this.

If you gut shoot one and it leaves with other animals and you don't have any blood you need to learn to track the animals tracks but it will be harder with all the other tracks in the mix. Best to back out and give a little time to go lay down then if you can't find the animal look near water.

1 lung if you have blood ok if not and the cavity is bleeding inside and not leaking out you will again have to track by the tracks.

You need your arrow back both scenarios and both are difficult at best.

Paunch hits kill them they go to water and they lay down they know they are sick.

Shooting at calm deer is fake news I never really shot a calm deer my deer don't take prozak to calm them down. No deer is calm they aren't built that way to be or any predator could sneak up on them and that isn't happening.

I shoot 75% if I had to guess while they are looking at me. By the time they figure out the movement the arrow has already gone through them.

The animal don't die if the arrow don't fly and now with that said be prepared for things to happen because it just might. Arrowing animals can be a butcher shop at times and you have to get over that. Best to shoot close but sometimes they don't come close and are on your outer edge of your ability's you feel confident at and you chance the shot.

Its best to take no chances or low percentage type shots its all what an archer goes through while learning how to shoot an animal and when they can make the shot based on their own limitations.

Archery is a game of inchs at its best. There are a lot of variables to learn and gain experience on. Your not going to learn if your not shooting though.

Shooting live is not like shooting targets the target is calm.

From: warden415
Date: 11-Nov-17

I totally agree with RymanCat. I always chuckle when people say you shouldn’t guy shoot one or make a bad hit. Of course you’re not trying but things happen in the woods, you don’t always pull off the perfect shot or the arrow doesn’t hit exactly where you intended. If you haven’t gut shot one or made just a terrible shot. You haven’t killed very many deer!

From: bradsmith2010santafe
Date: 11-Nov-17

if you have looked a videos of deer being shot at you can see,, the archer is not in total control of what happens after the arrow is loosed,,the deer can cause a bad hit on a perfectly executed shot,, or even a miss,, and I agree the deer I shoot at even seeming calm,, can move really quickly when they hear the arrow coming,,, yes you can up your odds by taking high percentage shots, thats a given,, the older I get the closer I shoot :)

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