Folks, I fooled the big doe that fooled me twice this season, lol! I heart shot her at 6 yards and got a pass-through. Used the Grizzly head and couldn't find any sign of a hit. No blood at all, so I went and got MTQuiver, the ace tracker who can't see blood, lol! I made the shot at exactly 6PM and told MT I thought I made a deadly hit but couldn't find the slightest sign after searching for hundreds of yards. He told me she would be very close by, and I should have concentrated from 60 yards in. I took him to the spot I hit her and suggested she ran down a main trail about 25 yards or so away. As we started down the trail, I found the first sign, a drop of what looked like saliva with possible blood in it. It had to be from the deer, so MT told me to stay put while he checked a few yards off to the side. There she was, about 15 yards away! She went 50 to 60 yards. The shot hit right behind the front shoulder and appeared to have hit the heart, it did. Here's a photo of what I think is the exit through the top of the heart.

Here's a photo of MT with my doe. You can see the entrance wound, tucked in behind the front shoulder. The spot way back isn't a hit.

Joe

I'll get more pics of the hit when I skin the deer. The lesson I learned today was to never sell your hit short. My first thought was I had a dead deer, and then I started thinking she ran into the next county, and my shot must have been too high. I should have found her right away, but started looking hard 100 yards away from the hit, lol! I'll never do that again. Also, she mule kicked at the hit, and I thought I was seeing things and there must not have been a heart hit. This was a weary doe! There was only one spot I could sit in, considering the wind, and have a chance at a deer, and she didn't do as I expected and walk along the field edge. No, she stayed in the heavy cover that hid me and walked right toward me through it! By the time she saw me sitting in the bushes, it was too late, as I had hit full draw and released. I was hoping for a big doe, after passing them up earlier, as I wanted another hide and meat in the freezer. I can get a bonus tag, so I might hunt with MT later.

Joe

Oh- the entire chest cavity of filled with blood. It just didn't leak out.

Joe

Great job! That's a nice sized doe and a trophy for sure. Bret

Congrats!

Thanks folks! Yes, I really wanted a shot at this doe, as she was wearier than any buck I've gone after. I might also mention I talked MT into showing me his method of field- dressing and then threatened to puncture his gut if he punctured her gut with his lousy technique, lol! Thats another lesson I learned. Never let MT field dress your deer! You should have seen how careful he was after I threatened to puncture him, lol! He is strong. He helped me drag her a quarter mile! He'll be rewarded.

Joe

Headed out hunting but had to post before leaving-lol. A super congrats on this harvest!!!! One of the most difficult hunts I ever had was on an 8 yr old doe, but they are the "front line" of security! Great job Frishky, that is a true accomplishment.

Congratulations Frisky, and no "rash" burns.

I hunted a wise old doe some years ago never did get her. She could cold trail you to the tree stand 4 or 5 hours later on the driest of days no matter what precautions I took. One briar that rub your rain suit bibs would start her off.

Congratulations, Frisky! Jawge

Great job frisky

Congrats. That's a nice doe. You might be weary, but I think the doe was wary. LOL

That's a nice doe Joe:) Your right about wary, those old girls have caused me way more grief than any buck has!

Great shot Joe. Congratulations on a beautiful doe.

Nice shootin' Joe. That's a big doe!

I can't see the wound behind the shoulder. Could you point it out? Maybe you just sliced the heart and didn't pass through it.

I'm gonna say it before anyone else..... BOGUS.. MT shot that deer for you :)

Frisky I’m proud you got one. You know every now and then the LEGEND has to prove himself:)

Good job Frisky! Congratulations

Beautiful clean shot Joe!

Was it the power of The Grail that sent that arrow clean through?

J.

My first thought was - "Cool, Ron LaClair shot a deer!"

Frisky - why was your deer so tired? or did you mean she was "wary" or "leery"

All joking aside - Congratulations Frisky!

Congratulations Joe. Did you use your your Bush sword- Bolo chopper combination thing-a-ma-jig to field dress it?

Nice doe! I like that size because you get a lot of good meat.

Well done Frisky...Congrats...

Congratulations...

I was going to ask if the Grail was used, also.

Congrats Frisky.

The legend lives on. Way to go Joe.

Great job Frisk, congrats, but shooting weary does, wrung out from running bucks, is just not fair!;^)

Well done !

Wow that's a big one! Congrats

MT Quiver - you need to move south. I need a friend to come

- find my deer for me

- field dress my deer for me

- drag my deer for me

I want to see a picture of you not MT.lol

Thanks folks, lol! I meant wary. I was weary, as it was nearly 4AM before I could sit down and post.

MT really was a big help- find deer, dress deer, drag deer. However, he stumbled onto it, lol! Plus, I had to show him where I thought it had gone. I have work to do today, skinning and boning out the meat, but I'll get out and find the arrow and report. I used the mighty Grail, and the arrow shot through the deer. As she hauled it out of there, I saw a foot of arrow on the entrance side, so I knew the head had passed through. Had I missed the heart, I think the arrow would have blown all the way through with ease, instead of catching on brush and pulling out the off side.

Joe

Great Doe, Joe. jeff

Good job!

Nice doe Joe. Congratulations! - John

Oh, the doe was extremely fat. We think fat might have clogged the holes. No blood at all on the outside of the entrance and exit wounds. I saw the S cut through the tissue, but I just might go back to the Woodsman with tip pyramid pointed.

Joe

Good work! Congrats on your doe. JW

Thank you, lol! At least this one has no tire tracks. This one was a legitimate 6 yard ambush!

Joe

Congrats Frisky. What highway were you hunting? ;~)

@ 6 yrds a real legend woulda used the bolo sword. CONGRATS FRISKY

Ahh, common, where are the tire marks? Also, where is that auto-gutting and skinning knives you have been touting? If you had really smacked that doe, the knives would have automatically gutted and skinnned it-even around the Michelin marks. Wink—good job,Joe.

Ahh, common, where are the tire marks? Also, where is that auto-gutting and skinning knives you have been touting? If you had really smacked that doe, the knives would have automatically gutted and skinnned it-even around the Michelin marks. Wink—good job,Joe.

You never can tell how the blood trail is going to be. I shot a yearling doe with a 30-06 one time and could only find a very sparse blood trail. I knew that she had run out into a clear field, so I quit trailing and walking into the field where she was easily found lying in the open. The deer was quartering sharply to me when I shot her and the 30-06 created a huge exit wound, but the internal organs were hanging out of exit wound and blocking blood from leaving.

Congrats again on your doe - she looks like a small horse.

Congratulations...and that's why we call you "The Legend"!

Congratulations, nice big doe!

Way to go Joe,and MT. Lance

Nice fat one, good job. I won't even call bogus on you.

"My first thought was - "Cool, Ron LaClair shot a deer!""

Haha- I thought the same thing but Ron is too humble to use this threads title. Maybe should have read "The Legend's Apprentice took a doe".

j/k, good for you Frisk.

Nice deer Joe, congrats!

Good job Joe.

That wound further back on the doe was from the hood ornament of a 57 buick that hit her just pror to Frisky seeing her, the reason she did not follow the norm, she was delerious from the accident. Frisky you did it again, you put a wounded animal out of it's misery.

I just had to say that...Ha!Ha!

Great shot and congratulations on your harvest. Six yards that was close, you could have drawn your super knife and jumped her.

Attaboy Frisky this will be ttt for a month.

Still no photo with Frisky in it...he might be a figment of my imagination.

I see no signs of external trauma. This poor animal was obviously fed apples laced with sedatives. I don't really want to know what happened before she came to, but I wouldn't be surprised if some 8x10 glossies of Frisky turn up in the next big FBI animal trafficking sting operation! I think some tissue samples and fluids should be sent to Nolz for immediate analysis.

Well done congratulations !

Well done. Very nice critter.

Congratulations on a great hunt. Enjoy the venison!

IMO, very common on a direct heart hit to not bleed externally. I really believe when that happens the heart looses ability to pump blood, especially with enough pressure to leave a blood trail.

Starting skinning, but I'll post tonight. I too got thinking the heart may have stopped on the hit and blood would not pump. Maybe that was a part of the zero trail.

Joe

Good job!

That's a nice fat doe there buddy!!!

Mature does harder than mature bucks to outsmart, and from the ground. Congrats on a job well done.

Looking forward to seeing that S-shaped wound channel Joe.

Nice looking doe. I don't understand the lack of blood. To connect with the heart when (I am assuming) shooting from the ground, the hit would not be so high that blood wouldn't be showing up with in twenty yards. Of course, with a hit like that and a Grizzly head, it could have been dull as a butter knife and still take the deer down in short order. I have had similar hits with the Grizzly and they sprayed blood like a lawn sprinkler.

You cut the nerves that make the heart beat the only blood would be what ran out of the heart with no pressure. So it wouldn't take much fat to clog the hole.

That makes sense. Probably more would show up if the doe ran longer.

Nice job Frisky...you got the mojo working!!

Nice work FriskyJoe! TLM

Great job and not too many hecklers. From the ground no doubt.

Who did the autopsy? I think that doe was half blind and deaf, maybe even a stopped up nose. Yea, those 60 yard blood trails are harder to trail than the 3 yard ones..Congrats!!...8- )..Just giving you a hard time.

Congratulations on your hunt.

We need photos of the kill location, to better enshrine this accomplishment of yours. Inquiring minds want to know--just how thick was the brush? What were the species of trees and shrubs? Were you standing, kneeling, or sitting on that squeaky stool you had last year? Details; give us details!

Crookedstix, word from a very reliable source told me that was his neighbor's pet deer!!! Also,the reason there are no pics and details of him with the deer is because of that nasty poaching incident from last summer.

MA!!! THE VENISON!!!! @#$%!!!

Pet deer!!!!! now that is why she was so healthy and fat.

Congrats Frisky!

Congratulations!

I too like Grizzly heads, but also have experienced scant blood trails on great hits.

Great flight, pass throughs are the norm, but external bleeding can be iffy.

I've got two Grizzly and two woodsman 3 blade in my quiver.

The ol' cut the nerve that makes the heart beat shot.Lol.

Congrats on a beautiful doe!! Nice shot!!

the Holy Grail of bows shoots so fast thet it cauterizes the hole

Congradulations there Cat Man

Folks: There has been an INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT! I'll be posting more pics tonight and tomorrow. I hit the deer twice with one shot, lol! Look at the photo. See the wound toward mid deer and high? As it ran off, I saw 15" of shaft coming from there! When we found the deer, MT said I just thought I had hit it back and high. When skinning, blood poured out of that wound and I could see the S cut! It turns out, the arrow flew right through the deer, flipped back toward the deer, and she impaled herself when she spun and mule kicked to run! The second impalement would have killed her too! It went in deep and the meat was very bloodshot! I hit her twice with one shot! That has to be legendary! Has it happened to any of you?

Joe

"You can see the entrance wound, tucked in behind the front shoulder. The spot way back isn't a hit."

"See the wound toward mid deer and high? As it ran off, I saw 15" of shaft coming from there!"

Which lie do you want us to believe? For all we know that could be you in the picture.

I knew it. More jealous sceptics are starting surface.

I fingered it out. Somebody else shot that deer and the Friskered one found it and shot it again.

That's supposed to be are starting to surface. Darn senior moment.

How could anybody not love this place, lol. I'm gonna go make some popcorn and come back to see what developes.

Congrats!

Lol, 2xw/1shot... Now I have heard everything. :)

Pretty mature doe...she'll eat well. When the Warren Commission convenes to review the Zeb Magruder footage of the incident, including the muzzle flash from the second gunman on the grassy knoll, offer them a bowl of venison chili.

Cal, don't be too quick to dismiss Frisky's theory. I once shot a buck behind the shoulder with a slug and when I walked up to look at him, there was a second hole through his head. I assume that he swung his head into the line of fire at the last moment to get out of dodge and took the second hit. Now if you stop to consider that frisky's arrow was moving considerably slower It's conceivable that she could have spun around at breakneck speed and run into it a second time, lol.

Nice job!! Jerky time....

That's a big doe! Well done.

The story has developed into a big "story". Could this deer possibly be a roadkill? There seems to be no arrow wound at all!

Nice doe Joe!

I smell booolsheet...and no pictures with Frisky in the pics.Time to unfollow the bs.

Here's the entrance wound behind the front shoulder.

Here's the exit wound, having gone through all that fat.

I wish I would have photographed the other entrance wound. Don't know how I forgot, but I was in pain trying to skin and butcher the deer with my aching back.

Joe

Here's what happened. The deer came in at either 5 or 6 yards. I'll measure today. I heart shot her. I was using 508 grain carbons, and the arrow shot through the deer and flipped with the point toward her as she took off. I believe the nock of the arrow wedged in brush, and the speed and weight of the deer caused her to impale herself. The first deer I ever shot was a complete passthrough with the arrow flipping back over the top of the deer. This one did similar but stuck back into the deer. That's my theory and would explain why the hit location I saw, as the deer fled, was higher and farther back than the heart hit. It also shows the tremendous power of the Grail. A bow able to score two deadly hits with one shot!

Joe

Okay to expound upon my earlier hypothesis, there does appear to be a deceased vitim. This only proves that someone went right by "Cosby" all the way to "OJ"! I'm ready to accept the "magic arrow" theory because I realized tbat Frisky actually killing a deer would require Divine intervention. I'll back off my cross examination...nice kill. But you really should give due credit and testify...unless she recognized you and had a heart attack from laughing too hard and you just ran up and did the "shish kabob" thing.

Congrats on a trophy doe.

I agree with Rick Allison! Let me tell you a wild but true story= back in the 1977 i was hunting from a tree stand with a compound bow ,this one late Oct. morning around 9:00 am i was watching a big spike buck with some Does feeding on acorns about 20yds out i watched about 5 minutes before i had a good broad side shot ,at the release of my bow string i heard a slight burp from my right and saw another arrow hit the buck at the same time as my arrow hit and in about the same spot, i watched the deer run off then looked down and to my right to see another hunter there on the ground.The fellow on the ground turned out to be some one i knew ,and he was a still hunter and always use a Recurve Bow ,i climbed down to learn that he had walked up just a few seconds before he shot, he had just saw the deer.We tracked it down and drug it out together but i told him that he had did such a good job of walking up on that deer without me even seeing him i was so intent on watching the buck that in my opion he deserved the deer he objected but finnaly took it with him.I did kill an even bigger buck out of that same stand a week later,an event i will never forget. Strange but true.

So you basically shot the deer twice with one arrow?

So the entrance hole is forward of the exit hole(walked right toward me through it)quartering toward you, slicing the heart as it passed through,and then the arrow went over the back of the deer, and entered at the rib cage on the other side, point first.

"The second impalement would have killed her too!" Maybe, just maybe, this wound produced the slice in the heart?

This is one to remember.

No photo of Frisky with his prize, I don't believe any of this. I'm moving on.

OMG the sky is falling in so look out. Nice Joe though but really, sure this wasn't another drive over? LOL

I was thinking that the doe had a lot of fat and also the skin overlapped the wounds which shuts off the the blood leakage. It just goes to show, it can and does happen.

If you look at the "exit wound" pic, what appears to be fat coming across her back and down her side you can see the distinct tread pattern of a Michelin. The hole punched in the side was likely from a tie rod that was broken in the impact with such a large beast. ;~) Just jerkin your chain Frisky. Great shot and nice deer.

I'm with Cat, I'm proposing a different scenario. Frisky- being out of Fruit Loops cereal gets into car, backs down drive, crosses road and hits deer in neighbors yard across road. Doe hops up and runs to the brush, Frisky calls in reinforcements, hands knife off, and doe is found. Second scenario- Joe actually shot the deer, but WAY back, where the wound appears to be in the photo. From the box brush in neighbors yard, Calls in help, deer is found in street and drug to curb. Joe- just having a little fun. Congrats on the big Doe.

-Bones

Studded tires would show multiple wounds, not implying anything mind you, Good job Joe

I'm proud of you Joe, any deer on the ground at 6 yards is a feat. If its still on its feet when you shoot it.

Just got in from an unsuccessful search for the arrow. I'll have to put MT back on the trail. I couldn't even find the gut pile location, as big tree branches started falling all around me in the high winds. I got out of there quickly and concentrated on the tall grass along her initial path. MT will probably help me find the arrow. Shot was at 5 yards. Photo of shot setup will follow.

Joe

Maybe the highway department guys will find it one day when they clean out the ditches.Maybe you should add a string tracker to your grail bow. Congrats again, thats two years in a row you have had success.

I'm three deer in the last three years! Next year, I'll go for a buck.

Joe

I can't believe I didn't call bogus on this BS.

I have held off from shooting close range does almost every time out this year. I had one at about 15 feet last night, called it in with a fawn bleat. I have been smitten by the the 12 pointer fever. I had him at about 50 yards with my calling attempts last night. He was more interested in the doe that I had in my lap. She didn't bust, but she did not like me much either. I wonder if my Super Holy Grail will put three holes in the buck if I get the chance. Of course, I am not using those whippy carbons, I have Surewoods.

I'm still gloating over 3 holes in the hide. Not many people have a bow that can do that with one shot!

Wild Bill- I don't think the second entrance sliced the heart, as the wounds were level on both sides. The top of the heart was also in line with the entry and exit.

Here's another scenario. I shot an arrow through the deer. She took off with some of the arrow sticking out that I saw clearly but was in error as to location. I saw it back and high, but maybe it was low and forward? In her dash, she somehow stabbed herself on a stick, producing a 2" slash that looked exactly like an arrow wound.

Joe

Folks- Here's where I was sitting. I had my squeaky, red stool with me, but I took off my homemade ghillie cape and used it to pad the seat. That kept me more comfortable, so I wouldn't squirm around and squeak the seat, costing me a shot. I also noticed my old camo coat is harder for deer to see than my big cape. To the left, you can see a wide shooting lane that leads 12 yards out into a field. This is the only lane I cut wide. On the extreme right, you can see a bunch of brush. She came through heavy cover, from the right, and stepped out from that bunch of sticks. She would have been nearly 5 yards on the dot. Maybe a 1/2 yard closer. Sorry about the lens smudges. I think they're permanent.

Joe

So where is the neighbors house? Is it that "field" through your "Wide Lane"?

-Bones

Thanks for the blind pic Frisky. That was good patience, discipline, timing, and nerve to get your shot off with her in your lap. Impressive! That really was an ambush.

Yes, when she looked at me, she was standing relaxed, apparently not sure what I was. My intention was to have her or a buck I'd seen come from right to left along the field edge and take the shot as it stepped into the lane. The cover to my right seems almost impenetrable, and that's the way she came! Right through the bad stuff. She wasn't completely in the clear when I shot, but was close enough to get a hit where I needed it.

Joe

Oh, in the photo of the entrance wound, you can see my Carbon Canadian Belt Knife Shootemstraight gifted to me. I used it during skinning. I found it to be my best knife for making the cuts needed prior to skinning. The blade shape is perfect for the job. The actual skinning is really a lot of pushing and pulling on the hide and meat, using the knife sparingly. I plan to use the CC as a gutting knife. MT wanted to try my Victorinox Hunter XT or I'd have gutted the deer with this knife. It's really a nice knife!

Joe

One last scenario- I shot the deer and it ran off with some of the arrow and fletching showing. It stumbled as it went, and the arrow caught brush, pulled out and stabbed the deer. A sharp arrow is dangerous, and this could have happened. Now, I’ve ruled out MT accidentally cutting through the deer during field dressing. The area drained blood when I pulled the skin back and the flesh under the cut was severely bloodshot. That wouldn’t happen to a dead deer. This deer had been dead for a few hours when dressed.

Joe

Ok, help me out.I'm not very smart.You just said the arrow pulled out of the deer by some brush, then stuck back in the deer?? , Did this deer have all four of it's legs in working order, unlike your last deer? If this thread don't hit 200 posts, you are not a Legend.

That would mean the broadhead caught brush, pulled the arrow through and the deer came back around to stick itself itself. I have never seen a Grizzly go back the way it came from any bow, all but one of mine were pass throughs and that went through the shoulder. I would think that it happened close to where you found the deer. It could have pulled through and then the deer turned around and fell on it. One more way off idea, the deer reached back pulled the arrow out from the point end then slung her head around and stabbed herself from either going for the entrance wound or falling in that position with the arrow in her mouth.

ttt so Frisky doesn't have to.

I think it is far more likely that the back hit was from a prior hit. The doe came through thick stuff that first arrow could be back in the thick stuff. Someone without the Legend's accuracy and without the power of the Grill hit it first. He did say the deer was not completely clear of cover and would not have seen that small spot.

My brother and I discussed the possibility of someone hitting the deer prior to my hit. I've had to rule it out. The deer was completely relaxed, and no hunters were anywhere in the area. Also, the big slash would have bled all over the place! It wasn't blocked by fat. However, on a deer that had just had its heart stopped, it wouldn't have bled. I'm going to have to call it a mystery and try to find the arrow for more clues.

Je

More storys it seems than story lady? LOL

She was on a kids show. At least you got a nice doe there Joey.

The arrow tells the real story but guys discount it all the time.LOL

Poor deer took one look at Joe and said ok hopefully I'll die quick rather than be run over by the car like my sista did last year.LOL

Hope that Frisky or MT can find that ARROW! That is some incredible MOJO!

One thing I forgot to mention. The spot in the field where I encountered the doe, twice, is only 25 yards from the end of my shooting lane shown in the photo. I believe the doe decided to stay in the heavy cover to avoid where I'd been hiding. She was cagey!

Joe

Saw your picture on the 2017 Harvest Thread. Congratulations Joe, that's a dandy doe!

Thanks Arlone! For the area, she's a really nice deer. I'm not much of a doe killer, as I'd like to see the place crawling with deer, but the city is holding a big doe hunt to try to thin the herd. Then you have a lot of the deer being hit on I-90 a couple hundred yards away. A few years ago, I passed up a big doe that hung out in this same WMA. The next day, I saw her dead on the road. The next year, I passed on a buck with a broken tine, in the same spot. The next day, I was driving by the place and there he was, dead in the ditch. Yet, the population is pretty good, so an occasional doe does little damage. I'm still hoping the big doe hunt is a failure.

Joe

Now we all know of your secret hunting spot,I90. Did you ever find your arrow? Congrats again!!

Why are you watching ditches Joe when you knuckled down and got one on your own? Or that's what ya are leading us to believe anyways. LOL

Just be careful anyone who may help Joe eat this animal I would inspect closely. The grille marks could be tire tracks? LOL

Mr. Frisky job well done.

Stop giving up all this information. Write a book and sell it to all the want to be hunters on Leather Wall.

While reading the book they will be eating CROW and washing it down with TAG soup.

My arrow is still out there, waiting to be found. I'm hoping I can procure MT's services this week and find it. Gusts to 45mph again today! Tons of dead wood all over the place where she fell, and it makes it dangerous to search in high wind.

Speaking of grill marks- My ungrateful brother was served grilled pork loin, the best he ever ate, and started complaining that I didn't crosshatch the grill marks! He griped that crosshatching was standard procedure at the place where he once was a cook, lol! So, I had to start crosshatching the marks. I guess it must make the meat look better.

Poor MT feels a little bad, because he did all the work, and I told him I'm "rewarding" him with the neck scraps, lol!

Joe

Did you check your quiver? Maybe it shot itself right back in there nice and neat after the second pass through.

I checked the quiver to make sure I had actually taken the shot. I really did, lol! I'm missing that arrow.

Joe

High winds dangerous conditions did you think all that when you ran over this critter? You were inside protected weren't you in the car.LOL

Cross hatch your afraid to put your foot in your brothers butt then. He might stop calling you in on road kills.LOL

You need to learn how to find your arrow. LOL

or get ya some lighted nocks.LOL or a string tracker? LOL

3 deer in how long? I'd give up then.LOL

..."arrow finding cat." WOW!! I love that one.

Maybe the arrow found the cat...

arrow finding cat lol

Kokosing- They're jealous of my exploits and probably wouldn't buy the book. They'd buy some garbage Ron or George wrote though.

Joe

Well, didn't dismiss the ability of a cat to find an arrow. I lost a flu-flu in the pines behind my house. The next morning my cat and my blue fletched flu-flu was laying on the back porch. Super nice doe " Frisky ".

How did those fellows stop for diner I wonder they put a cloths pin on nose.LOL

Your a piece of work there Joe. Don't worry I know it pot calling kettle black.LOL

Thats is really a nice doe though all ribbing aside.

Did you use that fake Rapala on the skin out or gut job or the guts sqwirt out of the animals butt when it got run over? LOL

Lost Arrow- Your cat is a fine retriever! I've had several cats that had retriever blood in them.

RymanCat- I had my Canadian Carbon Belt Knife for gutting, but MT wanted to use the SAK Hunter XT I brought along for the saw blade I use when cutting lanes. I let him use it, and he almost botched the job. There's no excuse for cutting into the gut of any animal! I remember the first deer I field dressed. It took me an hour, but I did a beautiful job with nobody around to assist. After I had the guts out, I looked at the gut pile and decided to explore with the tip of my knife, producing an explosion that did no harm but taught me a lesson, lol! From then on, I was a master gutter and still am.

Joe

maybe there someone will report your missing arrow in their tire?

Today, I'll go in search of my arrow and report. If I can't find it, MT is going to help, and I'm going to put him in the perfect spot to take a nice buck!

Joe

Joe, does MT have Cat blood in him? Retriever blood? TK

Joe its to bad you don't bait you would be a real master baiter.LOL

Everything ya do seems to be perfect.LOL

L.W.= Legend Wannabe. Add master gutter to that..Take a metal detector, maybe you can find it, or there might be another deer running around with out in him.I wouldn't rule it out, since it has already hit the same deer twice with one shot.Congrats again!!

Maybe you should be looking for TWO arrows Joe, since you hit the same deer twice with the same shot.

TTT for the day shift

Get on with it don't give Joe an inch he will take a mile.LOL

I think Joe is like a Cat maybe he turned into one he loves the stink so much he's gotten immune to the smells.LOL

BTW hoes me spelling been lately.LOL

Spelling is mediocre, and punctuation abysmal.;)LOL

Arrow report- I just back from spending an hour searching for the arrow. I immediately found the gut pile and formed a border from where I shot the deer to where the deer ran, to the gut pile where she fell. The area could be called heavy cover, but the forest floor is fairly open. I'm thinking the arrow might be along the first 30 yards, in tall grass. My walking stick should have found it there. I'm gonna need MT to help, and we might find it. The power of the Grail is unbelievable! It shot the arrow through the deer, back into the deer and off into outer space. It could be in Iowa for all I know. It's gonna be a tough find.

Joe

Act like you've been in the End Zone before Frisky.

I think Dean stole it.

Joe

Nice doe.

Booner doe down. Nice going, Frisky Joe.

Now it's my turn!

If the arrow went through the deer then turned around & came back through, you're looking in the wrong place for it. According to my calculations, a grail powered arrow shot through a deer, twice, should be 6 or 7 yards behind where you were sitting.

You're actually lucky you didn't kill yourself. MT would've had two critters to gut & drag out

I'm confident we'll find the arrow and solve the mystery.

Longbowdave, I think you may have a good explanation for the event. However, I can clear up the mystery but I'm not going to. Every time I mention portals people get all wadded up. Bottom line is, Legend + Holy Grail +Skill + Intelligence = Big Dead Doe.

Once again, Lost arrow said it better than I can!

Joe

That big doe must have an Iowan, Minnesota does are always short stout have a unibrow and a bit of a mustache. Frisky wants to be an Iowegian so bad that he hunts right on the border? I have shot a few deer not far south and east of Austin when I lived out that way.

Austin has some really huge bucks, but they're mainly right in town, lol! We're talking monsters that would rank high in the books! This November, a few of them might be taken, as they are having a hunt right in the city parks. The hunters participating must be in tree stands and have to shoot a doe before they are allowed to take a buck though. They'll also be hunting in the WMA where I shot the doe, but the deer in there are super wary and not easily taken.

Joe

They'll also be hunting in the WMA where I shot the doe, but the deer in there are super wary and not easily taken. LOL!! Nice self promotion Joe. :)

Yes, I'm the only bowhunter in the region who can successfully hunt in there, over and over. You have to be of legendary quality to do it, as it's a small place and often overrun with compound bow toting scum. They drive everything out or keep the deer in there on edge.

Joe

Must not be a roadless area... :) They drive everything out, or they drive over them, and you finish them off? LOL!

No doubt. I know the ilk of which you speak, Frisky Joe. Must not be any atv's allowed in there or they'd have all the deer run off.

Yep. No motorized vehicles allowed in there.

Joe

I'm glad that you didn't have a string tracker on your bow, cause you probably would be tangled up in a spider web of string after shooting that big monster doe with that powerful grail bow.I think I saw a big rig 18 wheeler going south though arkansas yesterday with a arrow sticking in the side of it's trailer.What color fletching did you have on your arrow?? Maybe put out a amber alert for your arrow.

An amber alert is a good idea! I want that broadhead back! It's lucky, with three deer in a row to its credit! I can't believe I can't find it! Now we have 4" of snow coming, but most of it will melt.

Joe

I don't think MT will be able to find the arrow. I think it'll be up to me. I never give up on arrows. I've been known to look around for one two years after I lost it!

Joe

What's this doing on the second page? :^)

Get a ball of string and start laying out the search area in a 4 square foot grid pattern. You will probably find the arrow before you finish laying out the grid. I once found my grandmother's harmonica that way. I really hope you find your arrow.

I have the kite string. I'll go ahead and lay it out after our little storm. I couldn't go out today, as it was dangerously windy, and I had to get ready for the cold by finishing raking, putting plastic over the garage window Crookedstix shot out, getting the car ready, hose but away and all that stuff.

joe

The meat is now thawing out for grinding today. MT asked if he could have some meat to make his "famous" venison chili. I told him I had a big bag of neck scraps awaiting his expertise! He seemed to be a little saddened and went quiet. There's nothing wrong with neck scraps, and beggars can't be choosers!

Joe

Okay, now you are making me jealous. If I start hunting with my stomach things are gonna get nasty for does.

Dean- Now that I proved, beyond a reasonable doubt, that wary, old does are no match for me, I might have to take a trophy buck next year. As much as I like venison, I might have to trophy hunt to put an exclamation point on my greatness.

Joe

What are you going to do with the hide?

I'm going to take all of my hides and have and shirt made and also make a side quiver and a few other items. I'm well on my way to outdoing Ron and Skookum in the wardrobe department, except for the loin cloth.

Joe

One last thing. I'll stay off this thread unless I find the arrow. I just wanted to say my theory that the arrow flipped back toward the deer might hold water. I'm thinking it's not what happened, but it could have. You see, I had a 160 grain head with 75 grain steel insert on the end of the arrow. That's a 235 grain head! The rest of the arrow weighs around 274 grains. So, it's a very front heavy arrow. It seems like that could easily flip it.

Joe

You very well could be right. Finding that arrow is of great importance.

I should have spent a lot more time looking, right off the bat, but I didn't want to ruin it for other hunters. Usually, there's nobody around between 11AM and 2PM, so that's when I'm going back out there.

Joe

Wow Frisky you truly are a legend. I mean who has ever posted a doe kill and thread has gone 10 days!

And hit 200 post! There it is Frisky 200th post

Just saw this,not on here much anymore. Congrats Joe! Never shot a deer twice in one shot,but did have a buck stab himself in the brisket running over the arrow that missed him! Wasn't fatal though,and I ended up with a broken arrow with a wad of hair in the nock!

SB- Nice to see you back! Here's a photo I didn't want to post, as it muddies the water. It shows the entry and exit wounds. Between them is another slit. I've never cut or torn a hide while skinning, but there's a slit right between the entry and exit holes! I must have done this when I pulled the hide off. There appears to be what I called a third entry wound about 12" low and left of the knife handle. You can see how bloodshot the area is.

Joe

I meant 12" left and a little low of the knife handle.

Joe

That third entry wound is right where you see the mark in the photo with MT. I just can't figure out how it happened.

Joe

I’m thinking that what we have here is a “magic arrow”. Not unlike the “magic bullet” found by the Warren Comission’s investigation. So Joe must use a calendar to check the Grail’s speed rather than a Chrono. This would lend credence to Joe’s theory of what actually happened with the deer and the arrow. ^(_)^

More posts than trick shooters

Trust us Joe we all know the waters are already murky enough. LOL

You say you shot this animal but we dono other than what you tell us.LOL

Go out and shoot multiple animals then talk about that not one animal and then write home on it.LOL

I was selling bags of fat wood at the WV visitor center not far from my house this afternoon. A young couple bought a bag and as I tossed the sack in the bed of their truck I noticed a blood stained arrow. Bow hunter I asked? No, we found it sticking in a buck deer while we were geocaching. Deer had been dead for a few days. We pulled the arrow out and brought it out of the woods. Was that near here I ask? No, up in Minnesota he replied. Upon inspection I see an Easton Storm shaft, plastic imitation feathers, 2 bright greenish-yellow,1 bright orange. Orange nock, and a rust colored 2-blade broad head that somebody only had time to sharpen one side of each blade. The young man said he was keeping it because it emitted a mysterious effect on him. I didn't mention it but I noticed the strange effect before he said anything about it. The reason I am mentioning it on this thread is because it is the same feeling I get when I see pictures of the Holy Grail bow.

Hmmmmm, mystery third wound where an arrow was said to be seen, a missing arrow and perplexing account of details.........sounds like a Twilight Zone episode. Who was President, when you shot that deer?

If you would drop down to a 35lb. Bow, your arrow will not pass through your deer and in turn you will no longer loose arrows. You are truly a Legend.Over 200 posts on a MATURE doe kill. If you would have found your arrow, this thread would have been dead long ago. CONGRATS again!!

Book repository and second shooter conspiracy?

Lost arrow- that arrow sounds a lot like what I used on the doe. Carbon Storm shaft with two flo yellow and one flo orange vane and orange nock and rust-colored single-bevel head. Do you think I got a buck too? Was it a big one?

Joe

Regardless, one thing remains true. You have a freezer full of delicious deer meat. I let another little buck walk, that is four in four days and I am getting hungry. Can I borrow a pound or two of deer burger?

Confession Time. Some of you may be surprised to learn that I lied about the mysterious effect the arrow emitted in my last post. The reason for the post was the Minnesota connection. After seeing the picture of your arrow I am shocked. The arrow in the bed of the truck looked like your arrow. The only other thing I remember is that one of the plastic feathers had black writing on it. As I mentioned in my last post, the strange to me broad head may have been one of those single bevel heads you guys talk about. The young couple was headed to an orienteering seminar somewhere in North Carolina. I did notice Wisconsin license on the truck. Also, the young lady said the buck had a decent set of horns. Stranger things have happened.

Dean- No. I already gave the neck scraps to MT.

Lost arrow- Yes, it has Easton printed on the orange vane. Must be my arrow. Made it all the way to WV, and I thought it was in Iowa! I once sent up balloons with a note that traveled 24 miles, so this arrow, considering the power of the Grail, could have crossed the country if it landed in the bed of a truck, heading east on I-90, 400 yards away!

Joe

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Congratulations, Joe

Thank you Ken!

Joe

Well, I think we can sum this up with a new bottom line. Legend + Holy Grail + Skill + Intelligence = One Big Dead Doe AND One Dead Buck. It is what it is.